Referees

[The Doctor]

The international board make decisions on the laws of the game.  Fifa have 4 votes. The FA, Scottish FA.Welsh FA and N Irish FA have one each.  Changes are made if they have support of 3/4s of the votes.

 

Anyway the big difference between rugby and football is that no one, players, spectators or club officials understand the laws of rugby.  Where as everyone thinks they "know the rules of football".

 

Been here before but

 

"you cant be offside if it comes off a defender"

"heads - I win - we'll kick off"

"foul throw, his foot was on the line"

"free kick ref, you cant say - 'leave it' "

 

 

Spot the one that's incorrect.

 

2. The coin toss just lets you pick which end to defend, nothing else.

[pleatout]

I'd say 1 and 3. To be played onside the defender must have intentionally played the ball, not have a deflection off them and the sideline is part of the pitch so would that make it a foul throw? (I don't know I'm just guessing)

Nope.   You're either Onside or Offside is when the ball is played by a member of your own team, it doesnt matter if a defender  intentionally or unintentionally plays it after that.

Nope, Law says both feet on the ground, on or behind the line.  As long as part of your foot is touching the line most of it can be on the pitch!

 

2. The coin toss just lets you pick which end to defend, nothing else.

Yep.

 

You may have guessed they're all wrong but very few players, managers and fans know it.

[pazzerfox]

Just watchin the england v france rugby game and its just showed me how proffesional thier refs are than in football... theres no egos just a desire to get the right decision (with the help of video replays).. explanations at the time of thier decisions.. and all this happens in no time at all... why do we in football let refs with huge egos make so many mistakes with no comeback..costing teams like ours points.. it really does amaze me! Surely its time for things to change...

Cracking post young man...Agree with every word.

[Raj]

Rugby is terrible and no lessons can be learned from it.

Except the way the players show respect to the ref.

[Buzzell]

We need to get the '3rd Eye' introduced. How hard is it for someone on the side of the pitch to view all major incidents on a screen and to then inform the referee on the right action to be taken?

As for the players, maybe only have the captains to talk to the referee during the match to stop all the bullshit flashing cards, abusing the ref malarkey.

[pSinatra]

Bad referees add to the 'entertainment'

 

What would pundits & Mourinho have to talk about if it wasn't for poor refereeing?

 

They could easily introduce technology that wouldn't interfere with the flow of the game too much.  They could easily stop players from verbally abusing the refs & contesting every decision.  I think it's a deliberate policy to allow confrontation.  Would it be boring if all decisions were correct & not up for endless debate?

[StanSP]

Bad referees add to the 'entertainment'

 

What would pundits & Mourinho have to talk about if it wasn't for poor refereeing?

 

They could easily introduce technology that wouldn't interfere with the flow of the game too much.  They could easily stop players from verbally abusing the refs & contesting every decision.  I think it's a deliberate policy to allow confrontation.  Would it be boring if all decisions were correct & not up for endless debate?

 

I'd rather have the right calls all season from referees that could affect a team's survival/success than to pander to fans across the country and the world just for 'entertainment' purposes.

[FoxInTheBirstallBox]

Rugby is terrible and no lessons can be learned from it.

[Corky]

Football is such a subjective game though unlike other sports. Technology in cricket and tennis is fine, generally they are definitive decisions (ball in or out, edge or not, hitting the stumps or not), but football has other variables. Was it deliberate handball? Was there enough contact? Was the tackle clean or not? 

 

One official's opinion could be different to another's. The video ref might disagree with the match official. Goalline technology works because there is a factual outcome, similarly with penalties in or outside the box. Bringing in technology for subjective decisions could create even more issues.

[FoxInTheBirstallBox]

what the **** does the 4th official do.... seriously, my left bollock has more input into the game than that useless dick

[Locky]

Bad referees add to the 'entertainment'

What would pundits & Mourinho have to talk about if it wasn't for poor refereeing?

They could easily introduce technology that wouldn't interfere with the flow of the game too much. They could easily stop players from verbally abusing the refs & contesting every decision. I think it's a deliberate policy to allow confrontation. Would it be boring if all decisions were correct & not up for endless debate?

[Locky]

30 , 33 , 43 , 69 ...entertainment?

[Locky]

I'd rather have the right calls all season from referees that could affect a team's survival/success than to pander to fans across the country and the world just for 'entertainment' purposes.

[Lionator]

Thing is in Rugby, it's a lot more black and white. If a player is off his feet in a ruck, it's obvious, if a pass drifts forward it's obvious after a video replay. In Football even if we had technology, there's always going to be that element of doubt thrown in from somebody. Today's decision for example was 50/50 whether it was a penalty or not imo. 

 

Would love to have footy refs mic'ed up though. 

[pSinatra]

I'd rather have the right calls all season from referees that could affect a team's survival/success than to pander to fans across the country and the world just for 'entertainment' purposes.

 

I agree with you.

 

It would be easy to yellow card anyone who gets in the referees face & acts like a total tosser.  I just find it difficult to understand why they don't introduce something.

 

If we had a fourth official watching replays, we could have beaten Man City the other week in penalty goals alone.  The FA, UEFA, FIFA need the perceived top teams teams to do well........that's where the money is.  We all know that the 'bigger' teams get looked after by referees.  It's only us (and a small proportion of the Thailand population) that want to see Leicester treated fairly & doing well.

 

How could they throw a game if all decsions were correct?

[Haydos]

https://youtu.be/IPs-1eax9rI

Fantastic display of communication from Nigel Owens during the England game earlier. Worth watching until the end for his hilarious interaction with Chris Robshaw.

[Guest Cujek]

When referee's deserve respect from players they will get it.

In rugby from a school age its, yes sir, no sir, thank you sir and if a player does need talking to its the captain that is called over and its his job to enforce the refs word.

The reason the ref has this kind of respect is because he generally, isnt a cheating ego maniac pr1ck.

The premier league refs this season are especially poor and deserve little to no respect.

Fototball is not subjective as some have said, there is a clear set of rules, which from what ive seen the refs, have not bothered to read, if indeed, they can read.

Cynts.

[Mike Oxlong]

Dean couldn't wait to smarm with Kane and hand him the match ball at the end. Thought the cvnt was going to ask Harry for his signed shirt too.

Too many refs want to rim the football celebs of the moment.

[Captain...]

There are a number of things that can be done to help refs, and it amazes me that goal line technology is the only one.

First of all is a video ref for incidents a ref doesn't see such as Bentaleb's slap on Ulloa, ref knew something had happened but didn't see as it was off the ball.

Video ref for penalty decisions whether it is in the box or not, clear cut yes or no. Kramaric against Arsenal springs to mind.

Confirm the identity of a player, if the players are saying you have sent off the wrong person it would take the video ref 5 seconds to check.

I think the players should be given limited grounds to appeal, the only one I can think of is if a player is penalised for handball when it hits his head, like Wes Morgan against Liverpool. Any other case where it is clearly a mistake maybe for a dive too, but it has to be zero contact on the dive.

I'm also surprised technology hasn't been used to develop something for offsides, but they keep on fvcking about with the offside rules and making them over complicated then it is probably impossible these days.

Finally to help the ref there should be retrospective action and fines for all unsporting behaviour, especially pathetic stuff like moving the ball at a free kick, walking off really slowly, taking ages over a goal kick. It ruins the game as a spectacle and cheats fans out of an exciting conclusion to the match, all fines for being a dick should go towards keeping ticket prices down.

As DB11 alluded to, the biggest problem is the way football laws are defined, there is so much scope for refs to make the 'right' decision even when the majority disagree because the wording is to cover the ref and define fouls as down to the ref's interpretation. Fouls and handballs are seemingly subjective depending on the ref and how he is feeling on the day. It is maddening and frustrating for fans and managers especially in our position and it frustrates players who don't understand why 2 identical incidents can have 2 different outcomes, this leads to them questioning the ref, the problem is no amount of technology will change that until they rewrite the rules to give clear definitions of what a foul is.

[JIMMYWILLIS]

Anyone notice how matey yesterday's ref was trying to be?

Calling players names like cambo and kasps. You are there to ref not make friends

[smudgerfox]

I think the best feature of rugby refing is that they tell players when they're about to commit an offence - which remove that kind of I dun nothing pose a player can strike. I told you you were straying offside - you did nothing so I've punished you for being offside. Football is less static than rugby but the same principle would help the game flow. In my view both games would benefit from changes to the timing \- in football it should be taken off the ref altogether and the clock stopped every time te ball is not in play. This would cut out all time wasting other than slowing the game down while it is in play - which is not an offence. In rugby the clock should be stopped more offen - it seems to be running when nothing is happening so often.

On. Video replays in football I am sceptical. It wouldn't be long before they became part of the cheating that already goes on - demanding replays for incidents that don't require them just to hold up play and get a time out - if you granted each team two challenges thered be a clamour for three as soon.as there was a dodgy penalty after Chelsea had used their allotted challenges, thered be a clamour for new ones in extra time and for penalty shootouts and before you knew where you are the replays would be the most significant part of the game. It isn't as if replays are always conclusive in large aspects of the game - fouls etc.

[Guest Bilo]

We'll probably get this guy for the West Ham game.

 

[Guest Cujek]

We'll probably get this guy for the West Ham game.

 

As good, if not better than some of the displays I have witnessed this season.

[Ollie93]

I think the best feature of rugby refing is that they tell players when they're about to commit an offence - which remove that kind of I dun nothing pose a player can strike. I told you you were straying offside - you did nothing so I've punished you for being offside. Football is less static than rugby but the same principle would help the game flow. In my view both games would benefit from changes to the timing \- in football it should be taken off the ref altogether and the clock stopped every time te ball is not in play. This would cut out all time wasting other than slowing the game down while it is in play - which is not an offence. In rugby the clock should be stopped more offen - it seems to be running when nothing is happening so often.

On. Video replays in football I am sceptical. It wouldn't be long before they became part of the cheating that already goes on - demanding replays for incidents that don't require them just to hold up play and get a time out - if you granted each team two challenges thered be a clamour for three as soon.as there was a dodgy penalty after Chelsea had used their allotted challenges, thered be a clamour for new ones in extra time and for penalty shootouts and before you knew where you are the replays would be the most significant part of the game. It isn't as if replays are always conclusive in large aspects of the game - fouls etc.

 

But what if, like in cricket, you gave each team 3 challenges per game. The offence happened, the player, captain and manager decide whether they want the replay or not. I believe players would be honest about what happened, because if the replay was shown and they were shown to be diving etc then they would feel embarrassed that they have wasted an appeal? 

 

It wouldn't be that hard to implement nor would it waste that much time. Probably 5 minutes per game, in which the clock would be stopped? IMO I can see it working. 

 

As for the point about teams wanting extra replays, what would they have to moan about? They have had their allocated replays so it's their fault, as long as all teams agreed before hand there wouldnt be a problem.