Paninistickers

If you want things to change mate, just give tonight a skip.

Exactly this. It's realistic we will not score again this season..The Dutchman sets us up in such a way that we are overrun in midfield,. defensively weak and non existent in attack..There will be coaching seminars about this cvnt for years. What he is achieving is close to impossible. He's the Gerald Ratner of football coaching

But you are.. Those who won't go aren't fair weather. It's because we care. And i may cases, it's harder to miss a game as well lose the excuse 'to get out of the house' ... I'd suggest many of the 'thick and thinners' might be driven by perhaps selfish needs

Those midweek nights were very much a safe haven for bachelor men in their early to late 50s. It was the antithesis of cool. But today, would probs be considered kinda a counter cultural cool.

So basically what you do with a regular pension contribution?

How do you 'dca' it?

But there are rules against that. That's why the supposed debt to equity thing happened.. It wasn't the 'oh benevolent forever in our hearts his worshipfulness' KP they'd have us believe. They had to do it.

That's my point. Potentially there is none. Others seem more relaxed though

I hope you're right.. But you have to admit the fact we permanently need transfer cash straight up rather than wait for instalments is a big red flag

Well, why would Macquarie seek a guarantee for all of the money unless they needed it? But even allowing for you being correct, we've DEFINITELY taken the 90m parachute money of the first year,. otherwise why seek a guarantee on the year 2 parachute? And the desperate need for transfer cash (going back as far as Mahrez) indicates what a precarious cashflow tightrope KP walk. We can't ever wait for the instalments of Mahrez, Maguire, Madders, Barnes, KDH...KP always need the money,.like, yesterday. The need for actual hard cash appears unquenchable. Which is more than a little worrying. I don't think KP does well in cold hard cash. Assets,.loans, bonds refinance, crypto, shares - maybe. Cash....hmmmmm

Yep, we would get 90m this August 2025 as we line up against, say, Brum. But we won't, as we've already had it. Just from Macquarie instead of PL.. Then, unless we got promoted at first attempt, we'd get around 45m in August '26 as we line up v Blackburn...but we won't again as we've already had it from Macquarie to pay for he season we are enjoying now. Macquarie gets that 45m. Not us.. Which means, unless we can sell 135m worth of players,.ticket sales and commercial revenue in the next 18 months, we are fcked. However, as @coolhandfox says, we will almost certainly have to take a loan out - of which there is no guarantee we can pay back.

But what if it don't? That seems the only possible way I think. So we are in a position where the club is overtrading,.right?

But that's kinda my point. We've already taken them. There are no more guaranteed parachutes after 26/27. And we've already spent that this season.. So the question is - and always has been from me and some others on here - what money, actual real money, will they have to run the club if the transfer income doesn't cover our running costs?

Yeah but I mean, how will we actually pay the annual running costs of, say, 50m quid if we haven't got any income aside from transfers (which may fall way short of 50m)

Happy to be wrong here, but I think we have taken out loans against the two parachute payments we are guaranteed for this season in the PL.. So 25/26 we have cashed in with Macquarie and 26/27 (which if we are still in championship would have been 50% of the normal money) ....I'm pretty sure both have been already paid up by Macquarie

Legit question. Based on the fact we have already received the money for the two parachute payments - and inturn those payments go to Macquarie instead - where do we actually get the working capital from to pay even a vastly reduced wage bill and the running costs of Seagrave? Last time it was done via Madders, Barnes, Castagne raising 80m But, we might only pull in 25m-35m this time in a fire sale.. What will they do?

I don't want us to score. Or win. Or draw. I mean it. There's no need for us to do so. So instead, the lack of goals will see the Dutchman to be recognised for what he is. The worst ever PL manager and the club's worst ever manager. And the club leadership recognised for what they are. Amateurs cosplaying as Professionals.

What a strange comment.

Yeah, years ago a fella on a night school class was telling me his pension value plummeted at the point he was to retire. Those were the days you retired at 65, like it or not. Certainly any 'retirement date' I have will be influenced heavily whether the value is decent or is in the midst of a downturn. Meaning retirement dates now are flexible and / or phased. Particularly that state pension can be deferred (and therefore increased to prop up monthly income a bit) if private pension and part time (or freelance) work is good for your sixties

I'm lumping in a tracker early next week Give it 18 months and it'll be more less near normal,.either coz tariffs have worked or they've been so bad, they've been removed and confidence restored

Would you have been so tolerant of Cooper losing 14 (or whatever) on the spin (without even an attack, let alone a goal)? Or are you prepared to 'reserve judgement' because the Dutchman is better looking?

You're attending? Bizarre.

The forest game is a nightmare at the best of times ....but their physical,. lightning quick style of play against the Dutchman's ultra feeble formation and even weaker running stats he demands of our players is ominous. Add to that a baying crowd on cloud 9 who will plead they won't let up.. This could easily be double figures..and potentially into the teens. All watched by an obese, clapper happy away end of the lowest possible DNA quality imaginable..

No, that's not true nor fair.. Cooper chopped and changed every week. He commanded no respect. But the chaos theory at least created different outcomes.. The Dutchman does no such thing. The same kamakazi line up and selection of reserve players (and sub reserve players) every single week