MC Prussian Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 Hmmm. Good point I guess. Although i'm not sure we should be spending £9m on a reserve just to motivate the first teamers. All I'm saying is that £9 should have been spent on a no 10 who could of come straight into the team and made a huge difference. I think Pearson's been incredibly lucky that Nuge is started to show that he belongs at this level... It will only be money well spent if Kramaric is still with us next season. Yeah you keep telling yerself that Bae. We didn't spend £9.5m to attract a fringe player, but when you do have strikers who've hit their form again or are in the midst of doing so, it'd be foolish to disrupt that constellation.Pearson made three subs to strengthen the team and impose more attacking and active tactics against West Brom. Just because there was no more leeway then doesn't mean Kramaric won't feature as a starter in the remaining few games at all.
Benguin Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 For me when we got promoted I felt we needed a LB a CB a Holding / Defensive Midfielder. We got Cambiasso and now we have Huth so it's just the LB we missed. I'm happy with the additional strikers the problem is Vardy and Nugent are ace together when they're in form. However for a large part of the season they havnt been great. Kramaric adds something completely new and needs to be played. Id like to see Vardy and Nuge a little behind him, can see goals racking up there. I think Ulloa is either a useful sub or should be played alongside Nugent in a different formation.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 I know 15 million on stwikers who haven't weally found the target too fwequently either, I think nugent and Vardy will be a handful on Saturday again, can see kwamaric being left of the picture again
Monsell1976 Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 Just because you keep repeating something doesn't mean it's right. I'd say Kram still hasn't found his best position. He's one for the future... Which is really the point i'm making, and I invite you to comment on the meat of what I'm saying, not the gravy. Agree, mainly been used as a lone striker, which he clearly isn't.From what I have seen of him, he's keen to impress, clearly talented, but like you say, needs to be played in the right role
Rushden fox Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 All we needed to do from last emended season was replace Dyer, play the same way, and let the lads get used to the premier league and we would have been in europe now. No all we needed to do was KEEP Dyer and add a central defender
Heskey2011 Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 Pearson lucky, ha, as if, as far as I'm concerned it's all part of his master plan (probably plan b or c) still though we're playing like demons atm and for me that's down to Pearson. also if Cambiasso wants to play for him he must know his shit.
Donut Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Hmmm. Good point I guess. Although i'm not sure we should be spending £9m on a reserve just to motivate the first teamers. All I'm saying is that £9 should have been spent on a no 10 who could of come straight into the team and made a huge difference. I think Pearson's been incredibly lucky that Nuge is started to show that he belongs at this level... It will only be money well spent if Kramaric is still with us next season. Yeah you keep telling yerself that Bae. I would agree, and i do find the Kramaric situation a little bizarre but then again we are winning games now. If we do go down, it would have been a big waste of a signing though.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 No all we needed to do was KEEP Dyer and add a central defender Even though he stepped down a level when we sold him, wasn't picked by multiple managers and then loaned out to Birmingham where he's played 16 games and hasn't bagged a goal? I loved Lloyd when he was here but this idea that he'd of been an improvement on what we have isn't much cop imo, he isn't doing it in the Championship so can't see how he'd of done better in the Premier League.
J.Lisemore Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Even though he stepped down a level when we sold him, wasn't picked by multiple managers and then loaned out to Birmingham where he's played 16 games and hasn't bagged a goal? I loved Lloyd when he was here but this idea that he'd of been an improvement on what we have isn't much cop imo, he isn't doing it in the Championship so can't see how he'd of done better in the Premier League. If Dyer was on song, he could have given any right-back in this league a torrid time. For whatever reason, it doesn't seem he has settled in at the right club at the moment. Ultimately we seen the best of Lloyd and still think he could have been a good player for us this season.
SecretPro Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Just because you keep repeating something doesn't mean it's right. I'd say Kram still hasn't found his best position. He's one for the future... Which is really the point i'm making, and I invite you to comment on the meat of what I'm saying, not the gravy. I would say Kram is ready now. He has had very few opportunities to play in the correct position in the right attacking formation unfortunately. Guarantee if he replaced Ulloa in the current line up he would be class.
ealingfox Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Just stop it. Whoever you are you've gone wrong. He's Jonathan Ross mate, can't you read?
SecretPro Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 All this talk of Kram not being good enough is so completely unfounded it's unreal.
Fox Ulike Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 All this talk of Kram not being good enough is so completely unfounded it's unreal. Hmmm. You have cunningly found a way around my ban on people saying “So what you are saying is…”. So I’m also going to have to put a ban on people inventing their own arguments out of thin air. On an unrelated matter, all this talk about Kramaric having no eyebrows is completely unfounded. It’s unreal.
Number 6 Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 The money spent is irrelevant. All strikers dip in and out of form. If we've got a couple in form to play, then great. Would also argue that signing an £8m striker in Jan might have been the kick up the aris some needed.
MC Prussian Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 All this talk of Kram not being good enough is so completely unfounded it's unreal. Eh? We have a larger percentage of fans on here are confident that Kramaric is good enough - the same people that are patient with the manager and his decisions to bench the Croatian striker whenever the circumstances require such a move. The other side of the argument is that some fans are desperate for Kramaric to feature no matter what - blinded by his market value and/or the money we paid to secure his services. I can't recall anyone on here or even just a handful of people saying that "he's not good enough".
SecretPro Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Eh? We have a larger percentage of fans on here are confident that Kramaric is good enough - the same people that are patient with the manager and his decisions to bench the Croatian striker whenever the circumstances require such a move. The other side of the argument is that some fans are desperate for Kramaric to feature no matter what - blinded by his market value and/or the money we paid to secure his services. I can't recall anyone on here or even just a handful of people saying that "he's not good enough". I'm not desperate to see Kramaric play no matter what and if you stalked me all the time instead of just when it suited you you would see that I've praised Pearson numerous times in recent weeks. As for 'circumstances' requiring such a move - there isn't any. Kramaric should be in ahead of Ulloa at the moment who has been out of form and offered the team very little (was a bit better last week). He spends most of his time on the floor or turning too slowly to play the ball or clambering around committing fouls. On the other hand when Kramaric has been played in his proper position in an attacking line-up with support he has looked superior, he came on and influenced the game against the hammers, his hold up play is better than Ulloa, his attacking intent is better than Ulloa, his willingness to take players on is better than Ulloa, his final ball is also often better than Ulloa. Kram has rarely found himself in a team with the right attacking formation or intent so hasn't shone as he should. Saying that he did turn two nothing moments into goals when played as a lone striker, so on that basis in an attacking starting 11 with 3 upfront I could see him being deadly, could see less fould in the final third being given away too. The amount of crosses along the floor into the 6 yard box and the amount of goal mouth scrambles last week would have led to Kramaric goals - as it was there wasn't really anyone in there trying to attack the final ball. Just because we are winning without playing him doesn't mean we shouldn't be playing him! So maybe nobody has slated him, but people saying HE hasn't found HIS position and that he doesn't look ready for the premiership need to realise the poor lad has barely had a chance to play as a real number 10.
Guest Col city fan Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 I'm not desperate to see Kramaric play no matter what and if you stalked me all the time instead of just when it suited you you would see that I've praised Pearson numerous times in recent weeks. As for 'circumstances' requiring such a move - there isn't any. Kramaric should be in ahead of Ulloa at the moment who has been out of form and offered the team very little (was a bit better last week). He spends most of his time on the floor or turning too slowly to play the ball or clambering around committing fouls. On the other hand when Kramaric has been played in his proper position in an attacking line-up with support he has looked superior, he came on and influenced the game against the hammers, his hold up play is better than Ulloa, his attacking intent is better than Ulloa, his willingness to take players on is better than Ulloa, his final ball is also often better than Ulloa. Kram has rarely found himself in a team with the right attacking formation or intent so hasn't shone as he should. Saying that he did turn two nothing moments into goals when played as a lone striker, so on that basis in an attacking starting 11 with 3 upfront I could see him being deadly, could see less fould in the final third being given away too. Just because we are winning without playing him doesn't mean we shouldn't be playing him! So maybe nobody has slated him, but people saying HE hasn't found HIS position and that he doesn't look ready for the premiership need to realise the poor lad has barely had a chance to play as a real number 10. Great post. Especially the 'stalking' part.. I disagree with you over Ulloa last week though. I thought he was rubbish. Kramaric in..
Gerard Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Agreed, great post. What does Ulloa offer this team? He's not big enough to bully a centre half or dominate him in the air. His pace and agility are poor at this level. He hasn't scored in an age and his hold up play isn't that great anyway. Kramaric every day of the week for me as I feel he's a threat with the ball and I don't feel the same with Ulloa on the ball.
Fox Ulike Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Agreed, great post. What does Ulloa offer this team? He's not big enough to bully a centre half or dominate him in the air. His pace and agility are poor at this level. He hasn't scored in an age and his hold up play isn't that great anyway. Kramaric every day of the week for me as I feel he's a threat with the ball and I don't feel the same with Ulloa on the ball. Harsh. Ulloa is just off-form. His goals won us plenty of points early in the season - without which we'd have been effectively relegated long ago. I think Kramaric may get a start on Saturday though...
Haydos Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Agreed, great post. What does Ulloa offer this team? He's not big enough to bully a centre half or dominate him in the air. His pace and agility are poor at this level. He hasn't scored in an age and his hold up play isn't that great anyway. Kramaric every day of the week for me as I feel he's a threat with the ball and I don't feel the same with Ulloa on the ball. This is the whole delusions of grandeur all over again. Look at teams placed 17th over the last few years in the Prem. Ulloa has 7 goals in the league and there's still 1/5 of the season remaining. How many of these 17th placed teams do you think have a goalscorer near the top of the leaderboard? It's not many. He's not been great recently but you have a very short memory. I bet you weren't saying how poor he was after the first 10 games.
Guy Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 I would agree, and i do find the Kramaric situation a little bizarre but then again we are winning games now. If we do go down, it would have been a big waste of a signing though. True, I think Kramaric was brought in a wee bit late personally (a la Huth) and was a classic example of someone else we should have ideally signed last summer (not just Ulloa), as opposed to during the January transfer window. I suppose it was hoped that he would hit the ground running more than he initially did do though - even though he didn't start the first two or three games from memory. Hopefully he can become more prolific at crucial times in the remaining games ahead though, it would be funny of he scored a decisive goal against Chelsea!
Gerard Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Harsh. Ulloa is just off-form. His goals won us plenty of points early in the season - without which we'd have been effectively relegated long ago. I think Kramaric may get a start on Saturday though... Agreed but he's got two league goals since the Man Utd match in September. If he's not scoring goals he doesn't seem too much of a threat to me with his all round play. He shouldn't justify his place because of his returns in the first month of the season. Kramaric is clearly a better option IMO.
Gerard Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 . I bet you weren't saying how poor he was after the first 10 games. No but two league goals in seven months means he can't justify his place on previous history. Does anyone truly think that Ulloa offers the team more than Kramaric would?
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Well an assist and won a penalty in his last 2 games. It's not like Ulloa is contributing nothing.
Gerard Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Well an assist and won a penalty in his last 2 games. It's not like Ulloa is contributing nothing. Yes he got his second assist of the season against West Brom. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn occasionally. I don't want to be over critical of him but can anyone say he really brings more to the table than Kramaric?
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