Babylon Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 So he makes a mistake and you comment on the colour of his skin? Well no he didn't though did he because they were two different posts. It's clear what point he's trying to make ,although perhaps not particularly well. Trying to make him out to be some sort of closet racist, rather than actually discussing the point he's clearly trying to make doesn't exactly make you any better than the sort of person you're trying to make him out as being. The BBC has clearly targeted some form of positive discrimination over the last few years, from stopping all male panels on shows, trying to have more BAME presenters and content. Does that mean the best person for the job might not get the job, because some boxes need ticking? Well it's certainly possible, if he finds those two to be poor at their job then he should be free to ask the question without fear of being labeled a racist. But with regards match of the day, the whole show has gone to shit. I find most of the ex pros on there are pretty poor at their jobs, whether they are black white or yellow. There have been other presenters on other shows, or certain content I've seen on the bbc that has made me think "You're terrible at this job, are you there to boost some statistics". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 Well no he didn't though did he because they were two different posts. It's clear what point he's trying to make ,although perhaps not particularly well. Trying to make him out to be some sort of closet racist, rather than actually discussing the point he's clearly trying to make doesn't exactly make you any better than the sort of person you're trying to make him out as being. The BBC has clearly targeted some form of positive discrimination over the last few years, from stopping all male panels on shows, trying to have more BAME presenters and content. Does that mean the best person for the job might not get the job, because some boxes need ticking? Well it's certainly possible, if he finds those two to be poor at their job then he should be free to ask the question without fear of being labeled a racist. But with regards match of the day, the whole show has gone to shit. I find most of the ex pros on there are pretty poor at their jobs, whether they are black white or yellow. There have been other presenters on other shows, or certain content I've seen on the bbc that has made me think "You're terrible at this job, are you there to boost some statistics". People are different colours. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 I'm more offended that most of these pundits can't actually speak basic English half of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 Yeah, I accept the point that ex football players (of any racial origin) rarely come across as great speakers or original thinkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 Kilbane and Neville especially stutter SO much it can be painful to listen to, I think being able to talk properly should be the foremost concern of the employer. I don't see how anyone can think Roberts or Jenas are worse than that pair because no matter how dull you think the stuff they come out with is, at least they actually come out with it, can actually string more than 2 words together without spluttering or stuttering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 People are different colours. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Akinbiyi24 Posted 20 April 2015 Author Share Posted 20 April 2015 People are different colours. Get over it. You aren't living in the real world if you think its merely a coincidence how you have Roberts and Lawro. Jenas and Murphy. Crooks and claridge. Why is there rarely, if ever, two black pundits put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 You aren't living in the real world if you think its merely a coincidence how you have Roberts and Lawro. Jenas and Murphy. Crooks and claridge. Why is there rarely, if ever, two black pundits put together. I don't want to make incorrect assumptions about where you are going with this, so please, explain to us why, in your opinion, there are rarely, if ever, two black pundits put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 Jeans usually says "I've played at _____, it's a difficult place to go." Or "I've played with ______, you know he's got that sort sort of ability." At least once on the show. He's just as dull as the rest. BT use journalists that know what they're talking about and it's refreshing because they can tell you information and background on a club, manager or player instead "He kicks it there, ball goes in the net, good goal.". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 I'm amazed how Savage has a job on the bbc, he didn't exactly have that a great career as a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 BT use journalists that know what they're talking about and it's refreshing because they can tell you information and background on a club, manager or player instead "He kicks it there, ball goes in the net, good goal.". If he kicks it wide there it's not a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akinbiyi24 Posted 20 April 2015 Author Share Posted 20 April 2015 I don't want to make incorrect assumptions about where you are going with this, so please, explain to us why, in your opinion, there are rarely, if ever, two black pundits put together. You tell me why there isn't. I don't know the reasoning behind it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 You tell me why there isn't. I don't know the reasoning behind it You raised it. I thought you were making a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 I'm amazed how Savage has a job on the bbc, he didn't exactly have that a great career as a footballer. He's a made a name for himself as a character, while he was playing and since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akinbiyi24 Posted 20 April 2015 Author Share Posted 20 April 2015 You raised it. I thought you were making a point. You clearly aren't getting the fact that people are getting jobs ahead of others because they 'fit in' with the way the BBC wants to be seen. In my opinion if your good enough then your good enough. I don't care what colour there skin is. Why should anyone care. This isnt racism. Its complaining about positive discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettsj2 Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 You aren't living in the real world if you think its merely a coincidence how you have Roberts and Lawro. Jenas and Murphy. Crooks and claridge. Why is there rarely, if ever, two black pundits put together.Wasnt it Dublin and David James as the pundits for Villa's semi final? Its usually Manish and Rosenior for the Football League Show too.Not sure you have a point really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 I quite like jenas as a pundit, overrated player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 Is it cos they is black in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 Pundits generally dont. They mostly just confirm what we already knew but with the ability to compare it to a real life experience. Jenas is one of the better ones. Yeah at least Jenas is easy to listen to rather than just umming and ermming like a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Walsh5 Posted 20 April 2015 Share Posted 20 April 2015 This worst was when the BBC had Adebayor for the 2010 World Cup. Literally couldn't understand a word he was saying. Seedorf is brilliant pundit and so was Hasselbaink earlier this season. Shame the Bbc don't get more foreign pundits in as they seem to be more knowledgable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzell Posted 21 April 2015 Share Posted 21 April 2015 Get Alan Hansen back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieTodger Posted 21 April 2015 Share Posted 21 April 2015 Agree about the foreign ones. Henry is quite good on Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettsj2 Posted 22 April 2015 Share Posted 22 April 2015 This worst was when the BBC had Adebayor for the 2010 World Cup. Literally couldn't understand a word he was saying. Seedorf is brilliant pundit and so was Hasselbaink earlier this season. Shame the Bbc don't get more foreign pundits in as they seem to be more knowledgable. I love it when MOTD has Shearer and Gullit at the same time. Gaz shit stirs loads. This worst was when the BBC had Adebayor for the 2010 World Cup. Literally couldn't understand a word he was saying. Seedorf is brilliant pundit and so was Hasselbaink earlier this season. Shame the Bbc don't get more foreign pundits in as they seem to be more knowledgable. I love it when MOTD has Shearer and Gullit at the same time. Gaz shit stirs loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 22 April 2015 Share Posted 22 April 2015 Jenas is actually quite good, I felt anyway. I've only just started watching MOTD recently anywho, for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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