CosbehFox Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Can't find anything in the times. We know that the club probably approached O'Neill. That doesn't mean he was ahead of Ranieri. It's not uncommon for employers to interview a selection of candidates before deciding their order of preference. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that practice is the overwhelming norm at pretty much every single business in the world. There's no good reason to assume that the club speaking to O'Neill or Hiddink or whoever means that they were preferred to Ranieri. It is in fact a ridiculous assumption. I ain't bothering with you anymore. The Times is behind a paywall so you won't. I typed it word for word on here the morning after Ranieri's appointment.You discredited Pearson off the back of a quote in a Mercury article yet call out anyone else a liar for stating something cited through the media.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 1) There was a breakdown in relationship. Football or not. When you cant work together anymore, you cant work together anymore. 2) Cambiasso was made an offer and didnt take it up. Dont try and create some shit implying he wouldnt sign for Ranieri but would for Pearson if he was still here. 3) Stop being a fvcking baby and get over that Pearson has gone. You deserve to be slapped.
ChrisFilter Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Another ****ing winging thread. **** off. We don't need 'fans' like you.
Frank to be Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I ain't bothering with you anymore. The Times is behind a paywall so you won't. I typed it word for word on here the morning after Ranieri's appointment. You discredited Pearson off the back of a quote in a Mercury article yet call out anyone else a liar for stating something cited through the media. Fair enough. If the truth is held in a times article that nobody can access then that's convenient. I suspect though, the times article actually just mentions other managers such as Hiddink and O'Neill were likely approached, which I don't dispute. I doubt they got hold of the club's preference list so nothing they're likely to have said proves Ranieri was not first choice. The whole idea that he wasn't is a desperate, nasty rumour invented by some people with no right to call themselves Leicester fans.
Viva Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I have heard this phrase used a lot in the past by the owners/susan whelan about the clubs aims and desires while the Thai lads are in charge. So it is certainly frustrating when the owners themselves.... 1) Sack the greatest manager in the history of the football club (Okay this is debatable...but certainly in top 3 for everyone). For none footballing reasons as well may i add. 2) Fail to convince the most decorated footballer in our history, especially when we now have a 'World renowned manager' to sign a new deal. Yet he is willing to sign for a manager he has never heard of (Pearson). 12 months ago, on the 21st of july, we were certainly in a much better position than we are now. Either an average attempt at trolling or just a stupid post. We certainly have a better chance of staying up this year than last, so therefore are in a better position. Points 1 and 2 are even worse!
Guest Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 No real fans makes up negative lies about their own club. You clearly haven't been round here very long
Guest MattP Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Can't find anything in the times. I ain't bothering with you anymore. The Times is behind a paywall so you won't. I typed it word for word on here the morning after Ranieri's appointment. You discredited Pearson off the back of a quote in a Mercury article yet call out anyone else a liar for stating something cited through the media. Here you go. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/leicestercity/article4496463.ece Leicester City hailed Claudio Ranieri as one of the “world’s elite managers” after the Italian known as “the Tinkerman” made a surprise return to English football to take charge of the Barclays Premier League club. It will be Ranieri’s ninth job in 11 years, and his appointment failed to herald the same confidence in some quarters. Eleven years on from his departure from Chelsea — where he earned his infamous nickname for a tendency to over-rotate his squad — the 63-year-old has signed a three-year contract at the King Power Stadium. Last week, Ranieri effectively issued a “come and get me” plea to Leicester’s Thai owners and contact was made. Negotiations were finalised in the past 24 hours. The appointment drew a mixed response, with Gary Lineker, the Match of the Day presenter and former Leicester striker, calling the choice “uninspired”. “Claudio Ranieri? Really?” he wrote on Twitter, adding: “Amazing how the same old names keep getting a go on the managerial merry-go-round.” Ranieri succeeds Nigel Pearson, who was sacked last month despite keeping Leicester in the Premier League after the club won seven of their last ten fixtures. Leicester’s moves for Guus Hiddink and Martin O’Neill were met with frustration. O’Neill, the Ireland manager, had emerged as the clear front-runner last week in what would have represented a romantic return to the club where his managerial reputation blossomed. Yet the Football Association of Ireland was ready to dig its heels in over a compensation battle while O’Neill is understood to have been reluctant to leave at such a pivotal stage in Ireland’s Euro 2016 qualifying campaign.
Guest MattP Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Either an average attempt at trolling or just a stupid post. We certainly have a better chance of staying up this year than last, so therefore are in a better position. Points 1 and 2 are even worse! The bookies don't agree with you. Last year we were a general 6/1 to go down pre season, this season we are a general 9/2.
Webbo Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 The bookies don't agree with you. Last year we were a general 6/1 to go down pre season, this season we are a general 9/2. If the bookies were always right Preki would be our manager. We're certainly no worse than we were this time last year.
MC Prussian Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Why do so called 'fans' insist on telling so many lies purely to discredit the club? If you don't like the club, go and support another one. We're better off without sh1t stirrers I'm sorry, but it's not going to go away just because you say so. This is a part-public forum which has seen a lot of good debates over the years. I've mentioned this a few good times, but your tone is getting a tad bit condescending towards real fans (even die-hard fans) who've been going to games for years and are equally entitled to an opinion as you are. Also, I'm confused as to why you'd go all these great lengths to defend the club (read: the owners) since the end of June/early July when none of us has heard or read about the real reason(s) behind the sacking. If you want censorship, you may want to ask the owner of FT, Mark, about it. Go ahead, make everyone's day.
Viva Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 The bookies don't agree with you. Last year we were a general 6/1 to go down pre season, this season we are a general 9/2. Well I've not got the odds to hand at the minute but I'd be surprised if we were 6/1 when the best price on any promoted team this season is 13/10. They would have been superb odds.
Guest MattP Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 If the bookies were always right Preki would be our manager. We're certainly no worse than we were this time last year. Hiddink, he was the first boss to go odds on, a position where bookies actually expect something to happen (althought Manager markets aren't to be taken seriously as no statistics are being used to assemble the odds, more gut instinct and media reports and that's why you can barely get any sort of decent stake on). The layers actually got us spot on last year, they still had us shorter than QPR and Burnley to go down when we were adrift at the bottom, In reality they are probably right, they said we would stay up last year and we did, they say we'll stay up this year and we should do. They think it's more likely we'll go this year though and that's something I'd agree with. In terms of squad ability we are better, in terms of management, desire and cohesion no one knows if we are and a lot of our success has been built on those last two..
Itsthejoeker Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I'm sorry, but it's not going to go away just because you say so. This is a part-public forum which has seen a lot of good debates over the years. I've mentioned this a few good times, but your tone is getting a tad bit condescending towards real fans (even die-hard fans) who've been going to games for years and are equally entitled to an opinion as you are. Also, I'm confused as to why you'd go all these great lengths to defend the club (read: the owners) since the end of June/early July when none of us has heard or read about the real reason(s) behind the sacking. If you want censorship, you may want to ask the owner of FT, Mark, about it. Go ahead, make everyone's day. Why do you have such distrust of what the club say? They've told you there's legal issues preventing the disclosure of why Pearson was sacked, we've also heard nothing from him, which to me doesn't look favourable towards him. The club may be holding back from discussing what happened in respect for Pearson, as to not ruin his already tarnished reputation.
volpeazzurro Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Either an average attempt at trolling or just a stupid post. We certainly have a better chance of staying up this year than last, so therefore are in a better position. Agree with this 1. As much as I am grateful to NP he does appear to have been the author of his own downfall. 2. Cambiasso was certainly one of the best I've seen in a leicester shirt but we couldn't wait forever without giving him an ultimatum. He logically must have known for some time what his preferences were, his body language and the way he appeared to be signing off with some players after the final game of the season made a return unlikely for me. And for those who attempt to point to poor negotiating skills by our management team, you can't have it both ways, it was the same team that got him here in the first place . 3. Yes some new midfield blood is vital, but that is why we absolutely needed to know what Cambiasso s plans were before perhaps delving into the market. For me, bar midfield, we are already better placed than last year we didn't get Cambiasso until very near the start of the last season . Qual Points 1 and 2 are even worse!
Captain... Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Approaching O'Neill and Hiddink is not the same as wanting them as first choice. By all accounts we approached Allardyce doesn't mean they wanted Allardyce they were just exploring options. We approached O'Neill before recruiting Pearson, that didn't exactly turn out to be a disaster so calm down. The owners approach to recruiting is different to other clubs they don't tap up managers and have clandestine meetings, they don't have managers lined up before they sack the incumbent. They sack a manager and then look for the next one by making official approaches. This is why the bookies go into melt down every time we enquire about a manager because normally that means they've already met and been through the negotiations unofficially before risking an official approach. Maybe they are wrong to do so, or naive, and whilst it has lead to frustration and confusion it is at least an honest approach. As for being weaker this time last year, give over, we didn't have Cambiasso this time last year, we do now have Fuchs, Okazaki, Huth, Kramaric so the only players we have lost are Knocky, GTF and Wood.
Viva Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 The bookies don't agree with you. Last year we were a general 6/1 to go down pre season, this season we are a general 9/2. Just looking back and in August we were 11/4 to go down last season and that was after our signings. So we are indeed less fancied to go down this season as you would expect from a second season in the prem.
Guest MattP Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Just looking back and in August we were 11/4 to go down last season and that was after our signings. So we are indeed less fancied to go down this season as you would expect from a second season in the prem. You got a link? I got sent an article the other week from a friend and we were 6/1. I can't remember the date though so it is possible it was from September time after our decent start
Viva Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 You got a link? I got sent an article the other week from a friend and we were 6/1. I can't remember the date though so it is possible it was from September time after our decent start http://www.theweek.co.uk/football/premier-league/59972/intelligent-punters-guide-to-the-premier-league-201415
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 You got a link? I got sent an article the other week from a friend and we were 6/1. I can't remember the date though so it is possible it was from September time after our decent start Can I have a look at that? 6/1 is massive for a new promoted team, maybe the same company will do me the same odds for Bournemouth to stay up
MC Prussian Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Why do you have such distrust of what the club say? They've told you there's legal issues preventing the disclosure of why Pearson was sacked, we've also heard nothing from him, which to me doesn't look favourable towards him. The club may be holding back from discussing what happened in respect for Pearson, as to not ruin his already tarnished reputation. How is his reputation "tarnished"? What makes you come to that conclusion? I don't have distrust in the club's communication strategy, I just want more answers. Then I can definitely close this chapter and it won't bother me or any other fans with similar concerns any longer and we can all move forward. Time will tell.
Captain... Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 How is his reputation "tarnished"? What makes you come to that conclusion? I don't have distrust in the club's communication strategy, I just want more answers. Then I can definitely close this chapter and it won't bother me or any other fans with similar concerns any longer and we can all move forward. Time will tell. But you understand they can't, same with Martin Allen and Sven, this is standard practice. The players and Pearson's back room staff will have been briefed and they will know a lot more than what we do, so I guess we will see against Sunderland if they understand and respect the decision and get behind the new manager, or if they are disillusioned, disinterested and play like shit. Interestingly there hasn't been a flurry transfer requests and resignations in protest that Pearson was harshly done by, and if there was more dissent in the ranks then I think we would have heard something by now. I suspect that they know the full reason why, respect that decision, or understand why the owners had to take it and are now getting on with it.
Guest ttfn Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 If we were 6/1 to go down at the start of last season it really does show what a colossal fvck up the period from September to December was.
Guest MattP Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Interestingly there hasn't been a flurry transfer requests and resignations in protest that Pearson was harshly done by, and if there was more dissent in the ranks then I think we would have heard something by now. I suspect that they know the full reason why, respect that decision, or understand why the owners had to take it and are now getting on with it. Come one mate, players don't ask for transfers anymore, that stopped around 2010. They lose the 10% of the transfer fee if they do.
Rincewind Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 If any of the details were made public no doubt some of it would be exagerated leading to accusations of libel from the club or Pearson. The club has no obligation as employers to explain why they dismissed an employee. Pearson signed a contract of employment with LCFC not as many fans like to believe the supporters. Their link is only indirect and any income through gate money and merchandise also goes towards the wages of all staff at the club. If a cleaner at the club is sacked would it make a huge difference to your life to know why? I can understand why people want to know as Peason was a high profile employee but it is time to move on. Shit happens.
Frank to be Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Here you go. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/leicestercity/article4496463.ece No quotes, not even unnamed sources. The journalist has simply taken the betting odds as a proxy for what went on. There's no real substance to that at all and there remains no evidence of the club's managerial priority.
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