MPH Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 It's possible that in the unlikely event that a massively overqualified manager such as Klopp had expressed an interest the club might have forgone the usual process and approached Klopp quickly and without considering other candidates. That would be a rare scenario though, where a manager expresses an interest in a job well beneath him, and certainly wasn't the case here. Hence the club went through the usual process of drawing up a shortlist, interviewing candidates, reviewing and then deciding on a favourite. There's simply no indication that Ranieri was anything other than first choice. Plenty of speculation that other people were offered the Job Before Ranieri was. Whilst thats all it is - just speculation Well you are not going to get a direct quote from the club saying so, are you? So i'd disagree with you the fact there was plenty of speculation IS an indication he was anything other than first choice. It's not cold hard proof, but it IS an inidation he wasnt first choice.
Webbo Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Plenty of speculation that other people were offered the Job Before Ranieri was. Whilst thats all it is - just speculation Well you are not going to get a direct quote from the club saying so, are you? So i'd disagree with you the fact there was plenty of speculation IS an indication he was anything other than first choice. It's not cold hard proof, but it IS an inidation he wasnt first choice. Speculation isn't proof of anything.
Dan Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 It's possible that in the unlikely event that a massively overqualified manager such as Klopp had expressed an interest the club might have forgone the usual process and approached Klopp quickly and without considering other candidates. That would be a rare scenario though, where a manager expresses an interest in a job well beneath him, and certainly wasn't the case here. Hence the club went through the usual process of drawing up a shortlist, interviewing candidates, reviewing and then deciding on a favourite. There's simply no indication that Ranieri was anything other than first choice. There's also none that he was. It's a pointless argument.
MPH Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Speculation isn't proof of anything. didnt say there was proof? neither did he . He said there was no indication.
Webbo Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 didnt say there was proof? neither did he . He said there was no indication. Okay, speculation doesn't indicate anything.
Frank to be Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 There's also none that he was. It's a pointless argument. I agree, my issue is with people presenting as fact that he wasn't first choice and using that fact to criticise the club. It's disgraceful from our own fans.
volpeazzurro Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 If I was to employ any new manager for my business I wouldn't just give it to the first man that wanted it just because he looked good on paper. If Hinddink, KLOPP, O'Neil , Ranieri and 6 others were all potentially available then I would be contacting the agents of all of them to see who if any of them were actually interested . If all were all would be invited to interview to see if there vision for my business was comensurate with mine. So no wonder it took time. Ranieri was possibly first choice after all this . I wouldn't have taken Klopp on reputation alone, I would want to know his vision, his motivation and how he thought his experience would transfer to the English game etc. Like any employee I would need to know he really wanted the job. The job of finding Leicesters new manager would not have been a straight foward quick job.
MPH Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Okay, speculation doesn't indicate anything. Guus Hiddink has received an offer from Leicester City to join the club as a supervisor working with a younger coach, according to reports in Holland. National newspaper De Telegraaf believes the 68-year-old has received the offer to be a mentor to a younger coach so he would not have to deal with the day to day coaching at Belvoir Drive. Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-rumours-Guus-Hiddink-offered-role/story-26860856-detail/story.html#ixzz3gdOSe25z Follow us: @Leicester_Merc on Twitter | leicestermercury on Facebook I would say there is plenty of indication there that he was offered a job at Leicester.... But think about it, Webbo... are Leicester REALLY going to come out and say someone was offered the Job before him? and we can get into a discussion about football director, head coach, manager... but if Guus Hiddink had accepted the job we all know who would of been pulling the strings...
Webbo Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I would say there is plenty of indication there that he was offered a job at Leicester.... But think about it, Webbo... are Leicester REALLY going to come out and say someone was offered the Job before him? and we can get into a discussion about football director, head coach, manager... but if Guus Hiddink had accepted the job we all know who would of been pulling the strings... I neither agree nor disagree about Hiddink, I don't know and I don't care. It was just the statement that speculation is relevant. You can read this forum on any given day and know that most speculation is bollox.
MPH Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I neither agree nor disagree about Hiddink, I don't know and I don't care. It was just the statement that speculation is relevant. You can read this forum on any given day and know that most speculation is bollox. If you check the dictionary then a synonym of indication is Hint... i was simply stating there IS indications around that he wasnt first choice. The reports, from Guus Hiddinks own country, by a very respected paper in his own country, say he was offered the job. Thats enough of an idication Ranieri wasnt first choice. its a bit of a cop out to then say you dont know or don't care...
Webbo Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 If you check the dictionary then a synonym of indication is Hint... i was simply stating there IS indications around that he wasnt first choice. The reports, from Guus Hiddinks own country, by a very respected paper in his own country, say he was offered the job. Thats enough of an idication Ranieri wasnt first choice. its a bit of a cop out to then say you dont know or don't care... I wasn't arguing whether he was first choice.
MPH Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I wasn't arguing whether he was first choice. You were arguing that speculation isnt an indication. And on this occasion , you are wrong
Webbo Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 You were arguing that speculation isnt an indication. And on this occasion , you are wrong There was speculation that the Thais had sacked Pearson because they'd already got Hiddink lined up. As I say, most speculation is bollox.
Finn Claw II Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 1) draw up shortlist (no favourite has yet been determined) 2-3 days 2) arrange interviews with selected candidates 1-2 days 3) hold interviews 5-7 days 4) board then meets to review whay they've learned so far and at this point they decide their favourite 5) another couple of days to draw up a formal offer and negotiate terms This is how more or less every managerial appointment in every industry in the world goes. Steps are broadly right, timelines wrong. Appointing someone at the C level takes time, stage 1 can take months but let's assume they had an idea of the shortlist. If your hiring committee is free and the candidates are also, then steps 2, 3 and 4 are quick. Step 5 is another one that can take weeks. Once they've been offered a they ask for better terms, have further talks with the CEO, get contracts for men they want to bring in, talk to the family, get a lawyer to review the contract, make corrections, company lawyer reviews amendments, further talks.... I'd guess Hiddink was first choice and then they spoke to at least Lennon, Ranieri and MON. 2 weeks is a great turnaround.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Does anyone really think a football manager is going to be appointed overnight? I'd say that Frank, with his two week turnaround is probably spot on. And I thought Whelan made it clear that other candidates WERE being considered, but that Ranieri became first choice. When I've shortlisted and interviewed staff, I've given every candidate a fair crack. These days, you have to...equal opportunities. Then I've identified a preferred candidate (a first choice). Then I've offered them the job and see if they accept it. I thought that's how it's done? Are people wanting to make out that Ranieri didn't become first choice because actually, they are still pissed that Pearson was sacked? Ie. Trying to discredit Ranieri (and the club) already? With how the club have handled Nigel's dismissal and appointed the new manager, they've been extremely professional and spot on. IMO.
Carl the Llama Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Does anyone really think a football manager is going to be appointed overnight? I'd say that Frank, with his two week turnaround is probably spot on. And I thought Whelan made it clear that other candidates WERE being considered, but that Ranieri became first choice. When I've shortlisted and interviewed staff, I've given every candidate a fair crack. These days, you have to...equal opportunities. Then I've identified a preferred candidate (a first choice). Then I've offered them the job and see if they accept it. I thought that's how it's done? Are people wanting to make out that Ranieri didn't become first choice because actually, they are still pissed that Pearson was sacked? Ie. Trying to discredit Ranieri (and the club) already? With how the club have handled Nigel's dismissal and appointed the new manager, they've been extremely professional and spot on. IMO. Basically 90% of FT don't understand contract and employment laws and procedures. We already learned this from the outrage over the delay between the sex tape and the ensuing firings. It can only be assumed that we are a community of unemployed layabouts.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Basically 90% of FT don't understand contract and employment laws and procedures. We already learned this from the outrage over the delay between the sex tape and the ensuing firings. It can only be assumed that we are a community of unemployed layabouts. I think it's probably more likely that people are still smarting about Pearson (and now about Cambiasso). I read already that some are blaming Pearson being gone for Esteban leaving. This will probably go on for some time and heaven forbid that we don't have a good start to the season. It feels like some are actually wanting us to start badly..so they can continue to pray at the alter of Sir Nigel.
biggs Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I think it's probably more likely that people are still smarting about Pearson (and now about Cambiasso). I read already that some are blaming Pearson being gone for Esteban leaving. This will probably go on for some time and heaven forbid that we don't have a good start to the season. It feels like some are actually wanting us to start badly..so they can continue to pray at the alter of Sir Nigel. I very much doubt that's the case but if it is, how sad can one get. I am with NP and have no good reason to change my mind but I can't change what has been done, so as always will be backing Leicester to do well right away. If we get off to a poor start, I might very well join in those abusing the owners but would not be in the same category as anyone actually wanting us to get off to a poor start. That would be ridiculous!!!
Captain... Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 There's also none that he was. It's a pointless argument. Apart from a direct quote from the club, which is not the case for any other supposed contract offer for other managers. The way I see it we have 2 choices, believe the only direct statement from any official source about Ranieri being the first choice, and no other managers were offered the role and turned us down. Or we can speculate and in some cases downright lie about what the club have done, trying to undermine and discredit the club we are supposed to support. Seems an obvious choice to me.
Corky Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I think it's probably more likely that people are still smarting about Pearson (and now about Cambiasso). I read already that some are blaming Pearson being gone for Esteban leaving. This will probably go on for some time and heaven forbid that we don't have a good start to the season. It feels like some are actually wanting us to start badly..so they can continue to pray at the alter of Sir Nigel. That's crap. We all want the team to win (apart from those who want us to lose so we can change manager and be all fine again, like before the West Ham match). We all want the team to succeed. Don't mix up apprehension or concern with wanting to struggle. You are overplaying it all.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 That's crap. We all want the team to win (apart from those who want us to lose so we can change manager and be all fine again, like before the West Ham match). We all want the team to succeed. Don't mix up apprehension or concern with wanting to struggle. You are overplaying it all. How do you know what everyone wants? No disrespect but you can't vouch for every member of the forum. With some of what I'm reading, what im saying is that I would not be surprised if some are secretly hoping that Ranieri makes a balls up of all this. Why? So that they can say I told you so, that we should never have sacked Pearson AND that the owners have made a bad appointment. Watch this space..
MC Prussian Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 How do you know what everyone wants? No disrespect but you can't vouch for every member of the forum. With some of what I'm reading, what im saying is that I would not be surprised if some are secretly hoping that Ranieri makes a balls up of all this. Why? So that they can say I told you so, that we should never have sacked Pearson AND that the owners have made a bad appointment. Watch this space.. Does this in any way remind you of a similar period not so long ago, with a different manager at the helm...?
Corky Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 How do you know what everyone wants? No disrespect but you can't vouch for every member of the forum. With some of what I'm reading, what im saying is that I would not be surprised if some are secretly hoping that Ranieri makes a balls up of all this. Why? So that they can say I told you so, that we should never have sacked Pearson AND that the owners have made a bad appointment. Watch this space.. And it was probably the same with Pearson, it will be the same with the next man after Ranieri. Some want to be proved right ahead of the club doing well. But they are a minority. What's being said on here doesn't always translate to matches and the atmosphere. Last season on here it was downbeat, desperate, at the ground it was positive and at times buoyant, even at the start of the run-in. Ranieri will get vocal support. We do give managers a chance.
katieakita Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Wouldn't it be funny if it turns out the reason they sacked Pearson and Robinson is they they failed to get Cambiasso to sign a two year deal
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Does anyone really think a football manager is going to be appointed overnight? I'd say that Frank, with his two week turnaround is probably spot on. And I thought Whelan made it clear that other candidates WERE being considered, but that Ranieri became first choice. When I've shortlisted and interviewed staff, I've given every candidate a fair crack. These days, you have to...equal opportunities. Then I've identified a preferred candidate (a first choice). Then I've offered them the job and see if they accept it. I thought that's how it's done? Are people wanting to make out that Ranieri didn't become first choice because actually, they are still pissed that Pearson was sacked? Ie. Trying to discredit Ranieri (and the club) already? With how the club have handled Nigel's dismissal and appointed the new manager, they've been extremely professional and spot on. IMO. Well said Col. A fine post, that totally sums up some of the ludicrous, puerile, and ignorant posts, of a fair few empty headed, retards.
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