EnglishOxide Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Lets be fair, there are people on here who have blamed CR for the fact that EC hasn't signed, he's been accused of being another Sven and it's been said he only got the job because nobody else wanted it. Some of the pro-Pearson brigade have become the mirror image of the Pearson haters. Every point we drop next season will be blamed on Ranieri and by implication the owners. It's going to be a miserable season on this forum this year. Those people are saying that stuff on the basis that they fell out at Inter. The Sven stuff is a relevant comparison only because it appears Ranieri is in the same mould as him in terms of moving from job to job. Ranieri has said the right things so far, but actions speak louder than words so we wait for results. He is in a high pressure situation but it is not the fans fault for that is it? I afforded Pearson time (didn't want him sacked at any point last season) but that's only because I had faith he would learn and things would get better. Ranieri has shown nothing in his recent career that would suggest I should have the sane faith in him as NP. He needs to deliver. We have an improved squad over last season and I expect us to be playing positive and expansive football aiming for 10th to have made the entire last 4 weeks worth it.
Fox92 Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 I'm always miserable and find something to moan at... why change that...
Carl the Llama Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Lets be fair, there are people on here who have blamed CR for the fact that EC hasn't signed, he's been accused of being another Sven and it's been said he only got the job because nobody else wanted it. Some of the pro-Pearson brigade have become the mirror image of the Pearson haters. Â Every point we drop next season will be blamed on Ranieri and by implication the owners. It's going to be a miserable season on this forum this year. I agree this is something to be concerned about, but the ones who spent all of Pearson's time here calling for his head (the vast majority of it against all reason whatsoever) should stop to think twice before claiming the high ground in this matter. Â Â I have no problem with the likes of Alf calling for reason on the many matters being related to CR and the owners, unfortunately it's not just the posters with a history of being reasonable doing it and it's hard not to read their posts in a self-righteously bitter tone.
Chris B Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 I tend to think I know quite a bit about footballers and in particular UK based players but i am struggling to think of one single quality experienced EPL central midfielder who in the relatively short window available we could both afford is available and would genuinely consider coming to us. Any thoughts sensible suggestions only please! My money is on some Carlos kick a ball another Cambiasso is not out there and if he is he ain't coming to us - we need to lower our expectations a little in my view
inckley fox Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Every off season people say we should go out and buy 6 or 7 new players. Its nothing new. I'm not even sure we need 2 midfielder. Just the one. A like for like replacement of Cambiasso. King and Hammond are perfectly solid. Drinkwater if he steps up a notch will also be good. James will be back in September One top quality CM is needed to ensure we don't get overrun like the early part of last season. Fuchs, Huth, Okazaki and a top quality CM and I think our squad is good enough for mid table. Â I can't agree with you here. Any player 'if he steps up a notch' will be good, but sadly Drinkwater played 20+ games and seldom looked like stepping up. Hammond only made 3 or 4 appearances after our opening run of games and barely featured in our late season run; he's also 32 and last season was his only ever experience of football at this level. And I don't know where the idea that James will be back in September has come from, we'd been led to believe December / January might be an optimistic estimate. Â In short, not only are none of them serious starting options, they might not even be serious back-up options. Drinkwater, for instance, made 16 starts from which we picked up 9 points, and he was substituted before 5 of those points were secured. Our p.p.g. average with him starting was 0.6, as opposed to 1.6 without him starting. He's only 25 so he could yet adapt - and we fared a great deal better in games where he came off the bench than games where he started - but it shouldn't be a risk we're keen to take. Neither should Hammond nor, injury considered, James. Â With Cambiasso gone this leaves us with King and, if we play him in the centre, Mahrez capable of playing in a likely midfield three. Our most used central midfield pairing in a four man midfield was Cambiasso and James, both of which are unavailable. If we go with three central midfielders we're one short, and we're likely to need better cover than Drinkwater and Hammond. So I'd be very surprised if Ranieri wasn't of the view that the central midfield was an absolute priority,
EnglishOxide Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Tom Huddlestone? He's not exactly Cabaye but hes a good quality midfielder and a physical presence like that would compliment DD and King I think.
Suffolk exile Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 We are rightly anxious - but we have to get behind CR. As much as I loved EC it was a bit worrying putting so much pressure on a 35yr old. .....Even if he had re-signed we would have realistically needed to be looking for a longer term solution.
Freesolo Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 I couldn't give a shit as long as he doesn't switch to another Prem Side.
inckley fox Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 I cannot understand the sudden change in poster's views!  At the end of last season, most people were saying we didn't need much in the way of new players. Now, since the Pearson sacking, and missing out on Cambiasso for the coming season, panic appears to be creeping in, with a number of posters saying the squad is rubbish, and that we need a good few signings. Apart from  one decent player leaving, nothing on the playing side has changed, apart from two new signings.  Why this sudden commotion, especially as we all know there will be new signings?  I would imagine the exit of Cambiasso and the long-term injury to his season-long central midfield partner would be the reason for people worrying about the central midfield berth. It's not because people have suddenly decided that life isn't worth living because Big Nige has gone.
Matt Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Just a few things, off the top of my head, not even scratching the surface really.  Just when we thought we had some stabilty we've gone polar opposite and appointed someone who won't be here in a years time.  We've sacked a manager who the players were quite clearly playing for, they loved him (Or seemed too), we've now appointed who is gonna be here short-term and who has had previous fallings out with our now ex-star play, who it was claimed would sign depending on who was appointed, he's decided not to sign, speaks volumes to me...Great appointment  Consistency - Ok so the Thailand 3 were sacked, can't argue against it, it was the right decision, but what about the wife beater? When's he getting sacked? I think we have the answer to Pearson's argument with the owners.
EnglishOxide Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 You are probably right about the midfield Inckley. As you say James will probably be back later than September. If DD doesn't step up a notch then yes we would be short on quality. I do think King is underrated though. If he starts more often I think he has great ability at this level. One of those players who is more suited to the Prem than the Championship. He is a good passer and excellent tackler, not forgetting his shooting ability. There's no doubt in my mind that he would be worthy of a starting place alongside a new signing.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Don't underestimate the effect Nigel Pearson had on the club. While Ranieri may be experienced and tactical in his thinking, Nigel was all talk and charisma. Hands on as a professional and as a person he was a born leader and someone everyone can rally around. I get the impression that Ranieri has the utmost confidence in his ability as a coach and people play for him because they respect him, but unlike Pearson doesn't inspire that same confidence in those around him to go the extra mile. More of a Jean-Luc Picard than a James T. Kirk, if you will.
Webbo Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Just a few things, off the top of my head, not even scratching the surface really.  Just when we thought we had some stabilty we've gone polar opposite and appointed someone who won't be here in a years time.  We've sacked a manager who the players were quite clearly playing for, they loved him (Or seemed too), we've now appointed who is gonna be here short-term and who has had previous fallings out with our now ex-star play, who it was claimed would sign depending on who was appointed, he's decided not to sign, speaks volumes to me...Great appointment  Consistency - Ok so the Thailand 3 were sacked, can't argue against it, it was the right decision, but what about the wife beater? When's he getting sacked? I think we have the answer to Pearson's argument with the owners. Quite a few unfounded assumptions there. a) Who says he won't be here in a year? b) It didn't look like EC was going to sign for us whatever. c) For all we know it was Pearson who stopped the wife beater from being sacked.
Mark_from_USA Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 We will play with either Nuge or Okazaki behind the strikers to cover over the CM shortage, I think, until our eventual signings bed in. Â I also think Drinkwater needs to resume his trajectory from the promotion season. Â This is his big chance to step up I think.
Webbo Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 We'll sign somebody before the window closes, whether they're any good or not remains to be seen.
Matt Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Quite a few unfounded assumptions there. a) Who says he won't be here in a year? b) For all we know it was Pearson who stopped the wife beater from being sacked.  A) Me, I have confidence he won't. Based on; Track record. Whether it be sacked - I doubt as that means the owners would be admitting their wrong, or him upping sticks I don't know but I he'll be gone in 1½ years at best mark my words. (I know i've not changed it and gave myself and extra ½ year but that's just to cover myself he'll not be here for long).  B) Doubt it, neither of us have and argument and facts but I'm of the understanding Pearson didn't even want/sign the wife beater, thought that was an issue between him and Robinson.  The point still remains the Thailand 3 and the wife beater deserve to be sacked, one party correctly has the other is still here doing pre-season and featuring in friendlies - So even if Pearson did save him from getting sacked, he's now gone thanks to the owners, shouldn't the owners put some consistency in place? Bearing in mind;  "Leicester City Football Club is acutely aware of its position, and that of its players, as a representative of the city of Leicester, the Premier League, the Football Association and the Club's supporters.  "It is committed to promoting a positive message of community and family values and equality, and to upholding the standards expected of a club with its history, tradition and aspirations
Finn Claw II Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 A couple of CM an early win or two and the positivity on this forum will return (positivity is perhaps too strong!) It's uncertainty feeding on itself.
Webbo Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Â Â B) Doubt it, neither of us have and argument and facts but I'm of the understanding Pearson didn't even want/sign the wife beater, thought that was an issue between him and Robinson. The point still remains the Thailand 3 and the wife beater deserve to be sacked, one party correctly has the other is still here doing pre-season and featuring in friendlies - So now Pearson has gone, shouldn't the owners put some consistency in place? Bearing in mind; You've assumed that Pearson wanted him sacked and the owners didn't. What are you basing that on?
Matt Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 You've assumed that Pearson wanted him sacked and the owners didn't. What are you basing that on? Â He's still here. Â Now regardless of what Pearson wanted the owners obviously aren't bothered about him being sacked because as i've stated he's still here. Maybe if it happened in their homeland it'd be a different story but again i'm only assuming...
glen parva fox Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 What will happen if we lose at home to Sunderland!!
inckley fox Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Lets be fair, there are people on here who have blamed CR for the fact that EC hasn't signed, he's been accused of being another Sven and it's been said he only got the job because nobody else wanted it. Some of the pro-Pearson brigade have become the mirror image of the Pearson haters. Â Every point we drop next season will be blamed on Ranieri and by implication the owners. It's going to be a miserable season on this forum this year. Â I, for my part, have never blamed Ranieri for Cambiasso not signing, although I could understand why some people might make the connection. After all that final proposal, the one which was rejected, was made under Ranieri's management, rather than Pearson's. He did sign for Pearson, and it was widely reported that he was waiting to see who the new manager was before renewing. And he did previously play for Ranieri, during a not-especially-successful period in his club's history and amidst some reports of the two of them not getting along. Â The facts are that he played for Pearson, didn't renew before or - crucially - after he left, and hadn't enjoyed much success in an otherwise successful career during a previous collaboration with Ranieri. With this in mind I'd understand why somebody might think the Pearson-for-Ranieri switch might have something to do with his leaving. Â It's certainly far more logical than assuming that Pearson was fired for serious misconduct and that the decision was therefore the right decision, even though there isn't a shred of evidence to back this up. Or for assuming that the decision must be the right one because our board always make the right decision (except for, well, pretty much anything they've ever done other than re-appointing Pearson and backing him up with adequate funds). Or for assuming that if somebody is fired then, regardless of how good at their job they might have been or the complete absence of a reason to support this sacking, we should all just accept that it's clearly the right thing to do. Â As for comparisons with Sven, I think we've had 30 or 31 managers in our history, I could be wrong. Only three of those, including Ranieri, have come from the European continent. It's understandable that some comparisons might be drawn. On top of that he, like Sven, has recently emerged from an unsuccessful stint in international management, is 63 years old, has managed a bigger array of clubs than any other manager in our entire history, has a questionable record over the past decade and has been appointed shortly after the departure of Nigel Pearson, by the same owners who appointed Sven. I can see why some people might see a similarity or two. It's not as if it's as silly a conclusion to draw as, let's say, everything I mentioned in the previous paragraph.
inckley fox Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 You are probably right about the midfield Inckley. As you say James will probably be back later than September. If DD doesn't step up a notch then yes we would be short on quality. I do think King is underrated though. If he starts more often I think he has great ability at this level. One of those players who is more suited to the Prem than the Championship. He is a good passer and excellent tackler, not forgetting his shooting ability. There's no doubt in my mind that he would be worthy of a starting place alongside a new signing. Â King was a major surprise for me last season, I thought he played an important role in our revival. And yes, of course Drinkwater could step up. It could well work out that we only need one more centre midfielder for next year, but I suspect the manager will be in for at least two. And as for James - I could be completely wrong! But Xmas rings a bell.
inckley fox Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 Just a few things, off the top of my head, not even scratching the surface really.  Just when we thought we had some stabilty we've gone polar opposite and appointed someone who won't be here in a years time.  We've sacked a manager who the players were quite clearly playing for, they loved him (Or seemed too), we've now appointed who is gonna be here short-term and who has had previous fallings out with our now ex-star play, who it was claimed would sign depending on who was appointed, he's decided not to sign, speaks volumes to me...Great appointment  Consistency - Ok so the Thailand 3 were sacked, can't argue against it, it was the right decision, but what about the wife beater? When's he getting sacked? I think we have the answer to Pearson's argument with the owners.  I have no idea whether Simpson had anything to do with Pearson's sacking. I'm not sure countering wild assumptions with further wild assumptions is the right road to go down!
Ian S Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 I cannot understand the sudden change in poster's views!  At the end of last season, most people were saying we didn't need much in the way of new players. Now, since the Pearson sacking, and missing out on Cambiasso for the coming season, panic appears to be creeping in, with a number of posters saying the squad is rubbish, and that we need a good few signings. Apart from  one decent player leaving, nothing on the playing side has changed, apart from two new signings.  Why this sudden commotion, especially as we all know there will be new signings? Bit like you last season saying non stop that we were rubbish as was our then manager. As you say little has changed so presume you still think we are rubbish also!
Frank to be Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 I think Ranieri will have to be sacked before some fans move on. Anything he achieves will either a) down to Pearson's squad building and b) not as good as what we would have achieved under Pearson. We could finish 6th next season and people will still be banging on about Pearson. It'll take a good few years for some, especially the heartbroken teenagers to get over it.
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