Renart Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 This looks like it is set to rumble on. It began with Savage's article in the Mirror back in August with him stating that it could be 'the beginning of the end for Terry as the indispensable rock at the heart of defence.' (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/robbie-savage-column-john-terry-6295669).And then earlier this week Savage is told by Terry that ' I take it from the very best, other people - no' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34709899),singling out Savage as one such person who is not 'qualified' to criticize him. Savage has now responded by saying that ' If criticism is only valid when it comes from old team-mates who played at the very highest level, the game is doomed.' So, what do we think about all this? Personally, I have to agree with Savage, although there is, of course, a hint of hyperbole in the statement that the 'game is doomed'. First, I think that we forget, because Savage can be a bit of a clown sometimes, that he played over 300 games in the premier league and played for Wales 39 times; that must give him some kind of platform on which to have an opinion. Second, does an individual need to have played at a high level, or any level at all, to validate their opinion. I am not doubting that it must help, but there are plenty of very good footballers who have been very bad at analyzing the game when it came to punditry (I am not saying that Sav is a good pundit btw). Linked to this, I also take Savage's point that Mourinho never played at the highest level and yet I am sure most would say that he has some knowledge of football, and is deserving of a voice (maybe less so at the moment). Alex Ferguson is another who might be in this category. Yes, I understand that Savage can wind people up and I also understand that our media can be quite intrusive and personal but it doesn't detract form the overall debate about what gives someone the right to an opinion. All of this reminds me of this thread: http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/102754-state-your-credentials/?hl=credentials Foxestalk as a microcosm of a larger debate. Does it follow that those who have played the game have a better understanding of it and, as a result, are more entitled to an opinion? And does the level at which you played make your opinion more or less valid or appreciated?
foxes_rule1978 Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 No it doesn't, Savage is 100% right, a lot of the great managers and coaches haven't played at the highest level or even at all.
adam1 Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 Mark Kermode has no right to review and criticise films. Just because he hasn't directed or produced one. That is according to Terry's logic. Anyway Terry has lost it, he won't be at Chelsea next season.
Fox92 Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 No it doesn't, Savage is 100% right, a lot of the great managers and coaches haven't played at the highest level or even at all. Like his manager
Guest Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 Attenborough has no right to talk about animals as he has never been one.
Finnegan Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 John Terry refuses to take criticism from man who wasn't great player. No wonder Chelsea aren't apparently playing for their manager.
Izzy Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 Attenborough has no right to talk about animals as he has never been one. lol
Socks Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 Attenborough has no right to talk about animals as he has never been one. Cracking!
Renart Posted 7 November 2015 Author Posted 7 November 2015 I have to say, I completely agree with Savage on this one.
StanSP Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 there was a huge berk (also a Chelsea fan) on 606 today digging it in to Savage. Had a go at Savage predicted Chelsea to finish 2nd and said his opinion should be better as a pundit because he gets paid for it. Then Fletch came on and said to the caller 'did you predict Chelsea to be 16th now?'. Caller was then silent for a moment and said no but you guys gets paid to have your opinion and to be pundits. I know Savage can be the 'marmite' kind of guy (love him or hate him) but there was absolutely no logic to this guy's call.
fuchsntf Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 That means Terry, doesnt respect the Chelsea fans either, or their right to have a qualified opinion over the successes and failures. I actually thought he Terry had given a decent interview upto the time he brought Savage or other pundits into the discussion. Same as this or any other fan forum, who have dig at ex players/even jounalists opinions. Football is the peoples sport ,every single person have their right to their own opinions on game/player-performances/managers successes.Thats what its all about, pre, post game banter and after thoughts. Terry, Mourihino and a few more, have not manned up in their sporting lives when they have had criticism layed at their feet. That does not mean there arent journalists, that dont ask damn right stupid questions, either because they themselves are stupid or just want to antagonize. By all means shootback its an emotional game, but ride not necessarily the hanging questions, but ride the criticism, because your willing to take the plaudits.
sdb Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 Savage is pretty annoying but Terry is on another level. In fact, 'annoying' would be a gross understatement of just how much of a priiick JT is.
jimmeh Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 Actually put yourself in terrys shoes and you would think the same. He just shouldn't have gone public with it. He should have spoke to savage privately
StanSP Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 I remember the caller also saying that Savage and BBC have an agenda against Mourinho and Chelsea .
maddog Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 JT is a racist adulterer (allegedly). He has been playing like crap all season so far, I could not give two hoots about his past I live in the present. Savage was not a talented footballer, and he has admitted this himself because he has a sense of humour and can laugh at himself. Unlike JT who is in a terrible run of form. Savage never experienced such a terrible run of form that Terry is currently on. I have zero respect for John Terry, and with his recent embarrassing attack on Savage, I now have -1 respect for John Terry.
Guest ttfn Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 I remember the caller also saying that Savage and BBC have an agenda against Mourinho and Chelsea .The sad thing is that a lot of them genuinely believe it.Actually, even sadder than that was the fact that he was a Chelsea fan phoning up 6-0-6 to stand up for Captain Leader Legend whilst said CLL was leading his team to another inglorious result. What sort of weapon rings up a phone in show whilst their team is live on SKY and free-to-air radio?
StanSP Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 The sad thing is that a lot of them genuinely believe it. Actually, even sadder than that was the fact that he was a Chelsea fan phoning up 6-0-6 to stand up for Captain Leader Legend whilst said CLL was leading his team to another inglorious result. What sort of weapon rings up a phone in show whilst their team is live on SKY and free-to-air radio? lol i didn't even think of that to be fair! It did make me laugh though cos he was on air as soon as Stoke scored. Savage went 'and there's a gooooall' so they went to the stadium, got the report of the goal and went back to the caller who said straight away 'bet you enjoyed that didn't you'. Sounded like he's had a chip on his shoulder for years.
RonnieTodger Posted 7 November 2015 Posted 7 November 2015 Savage is spot on in that video. Was a bit odd to say Terry is finished after a few games considering he was oustanding last year.
Bettsj2 Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Savage is completely in the right and Terry once again has shown himself to be a complete tosser. It amazes me how anyone outside of Chelsea can have anything other than utter contempt for John Terry.
Aus Fox Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 So when the next election comes around only John Terry is allowed to give an opinion on the BNP, because he's been a racist and other political commentators are not allowed an opinion on them as they've never racially abused anyone at the highest level?
howlinmadmurfdoc Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I find it incredible someone like Terry can say that a bloke who's made 100s of premier league appearances is a nobody that's never played at a decent level, it's indirectly saying that Leicester were shit in the 90s, Terry's a racist, cheating scumbag the sooner he retires the better.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I find it incredible someone like Terry can say that a bloke who's made 100s of premier league appearances is a nobody that's never played at a decent level, it's indirectly saying that Leicester were shit in the 90s, Terry's a racist, cheating scumbag the sooner he retires the better. It is a joke, Savage also helped us win two League Cups I wouldn't put him in the nobody bracket, not many players achieve what he did in his career
Fox92 Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I don't think Savage is annoying. I love listening to 606 on the way home from football, it's a brilliant programme. A Newcastle fan phoned up yesterday and got it spot on "you phone up for a bit of banter with Savage knowing the same thing will happen next week".
Tuna Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I think most non Chelsea supporters have the opinion that Terry is a bit of a shithouse. This petty row does nothing to alter that view.
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