Gary Neville Sacked By Valencia

[Donut]

You're only saying that because you can't help but disagree with me lol

 

There is no was on Earth that a sane person turns down the Valencia job, especially compared to "lower league" jobs.

 

He was one of the most respected coaches in English football because of his work with the national side, he has all of the badges and is clearly a bloody intelligent bloke who knows the game inside out.

 

The only thing he needed to do was go out and get himself a job. It just so happened that the Valencia job landed on his doorstep.

 

Course im not disagreeing for the sake of it.

 

Do you think its sane to go for a job you are totally not qualified for, only to look like an absolute douche a few months later like pretty much everyone thought you would because they KNEW you werent qualified for it either?

 

If you want to forge a serious managerial career, what do you do? You get your hands dirty, you get involved in the lower leagues and you build your reputation and skills.

 

Does he know the game inside out? He doesnt know management inside out and im guessing given the results and some of the performances that the Valencia players couldnt care a jot about his supposed knowledge or punditry. Because he hasnt learnt how to MANAGE. Manage people, manage psychology.

 

He has no credibility as a manager, punditry or not. Whether he talks in detail about football or not.

 

Was he even trying to become a manager? If he was offered the chance to manage Oldham as was mentionned earlier, would he feel it beneath him? He has a cruisy little number with England and thats about it. How can you tell if that makes him a good coach? International players arent made better by coaching on international duty for a couple of days before a game. They are already at their absolute peak, and international managers have even said that.

 

Lower league clubs would have definitely taken him.

 

It doesnt even have to be on a large scale. Ex players like Eddie Howe, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Aitor Karanka to name 3 went out and mucked in at lower levels. Hasselbaink and Karanka are two examples that fit well considering their footballing careers were on a somewhat similar level to Neville's.

 

Hes now going to probably needs a good lower league job to save the reputation he is tarnishing, that wouldnt have been tarnished if he would have just started his career properly at a lower league club anyway.

[Guest Col city fan]

Course im not disagreeing for the sake of it.

Do you think its sane to go for a job you are totally not qualified for, only to look like an absolute douche a few months later like pretty much everyone thought you would because they KNEW you werent qualified for it either?

If you want to forge a serious managerial career, what do you do? You get your hands dirty, you get involved in the lower leagues and you build your reputation and skills.

Does he know the game inside out? He doesnt know management inside out and im guessing given the results and some of the performances that the Valencia players couldnt care a jot about his supposed knowledge or punditry. Because he hasnt learnt how to MANAGE. Manage people, manage psychology.

He has no credibility as a manager, punditry or not. Whether he talks in detail about football or not.

Was he even trying to become a manager? If he was offered the chance to manage Oldham as was mentionned earlier, would he feel it beneath him? He has a cruisy little number with England and thats about it. How can you tell if that makes him a good coach? International players arent made better by coaching on international duty for a couple of days before a game. They are already at their absolute peak, and international managers have even said that.

Lower league clubs would have definitely taken him.

It doesnt even have to be on a large scale. Ex players like Eddie Howe, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Aitor Karanka to name 3 went out and mucked in at lower levels. Hasselbaink and Karanka are two examples that fit well considering their footballing careers were on a somewhat similar level to Neville's.

Hes now going to probably needs a good lower league job to save the reputation he is tarnishing, that wouldnt have been tarnished if he would have just started his career properly at a lower league club anyway.

Spot on....

If anyone argues for the sake of it, it's AKCJ or whatever his bloody name is.

[Captain...]

Course im not disagreeing for the sake of it.

 

Do you think its sane to go for a job you are totally not qualified for, only to look like an absolute douche a few months later like pretty much everyone thought you would because they KNEW you werent qualified for it either?

 

 

But that is only on the assumption that Neville believed he wasn't qualified for it. If Neville thought he would do a shit job, he would have been insane to take it.

 

He is a man of extreme self belief and often comes across as arrogant, he would have thought he could do a great job there, and the person that employed him also believed he could do it and would have told him so. He would have bigged him up and encouraged him to take the job, it wasn't as though Neville applied for the vacancy at Valencia they wanted him.

 

Of course he knew it would  be a challenge, but nobody got anywhere by not taking risks and taking on challenges.  Maybe his stint at Valencia has damaged his reputation, but if they release him in the summer I reckon he will get more offers of jobs in the football league than if he had spent all the year in the Sky Studios being a pundit. If you were Rotherham and had a vacancy (as they did recently)  would you appoint Neville straight from the Sky studios? Or Neil Warnock a man who has been there and done it.

 

He has had his first managerial job, and it hasn't been the most successful, but he would have learnt a huge amount from it and is a better manager now than having never managed a single game of football. Maybe that was his thinking, maybe he looked at the risk and thought if I want to be a manager I have to start somewhere, here is the opportunity and if I succeed I am awesome, if I fail I have a whole host of excuses (struggling club, different country, different league, different culture) and I will have some managerial experience to add to my CV. Basically a shot to nothing.

 

Valencia were the insane ones for offering Neville the job, Neville just took an amazing opportunity and hoped for the best.

[Wymsey]

Got sent off as Valencia knocked out of Europa League.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35837222

 

Think he has 1/2 games to turn form around.

[AKCJ]

https://streamable.com/5htr

 

Bilbao's goal shouldn't have stood but the assist is utterly ridiculous.

[Donut]

I suppose they did win the game on the night

[Guest Col city fan]

Oh dear.....

[Donut]

Im not sure how you can continue in a job when practically everyone in your stadium, and probably your players, think youre a total wally.

 

I think your job has to be untenable.

 

A horrid experiment that has gone awfully wrong.

[Thracian]

Nobody turns down the opportunity to manage a club that big.

He said himself that he would lose the respect he has earnt if he were to turn the job down.

He's never earned any respect as a manager.

[Wymsey]

I see G Neville as someone who thinks they deserve to have a job they want, no matter their lack of experience, as they think they know how to turn situations around.

 

Phil Neville seems more level-headed and sees what it is.

[Guest Col city fan]

I see G Neville as someone who thinks they deserve to have a job they want, no matter their lack of experience, as they think they know how to turn situations around.

Phil Neville seems more level-headed and sees what it is.

I see Gary Neville as a bloke who thought he'd turn a club around that was on its arse because he 'knew about football'.

Naïve in the extreme unfortunately as I like the bloke. But he's had his fingers burnt here, well and truly.

[AKCJ]

How do you know that Valencia have lost?

 

Col bumps this thread.

 

He's never earned any respect as a manager.

 

Don't believe I said that he had respect as a manager. But you're on something illegal if you don't think he has great respect in the game as a player, a coach and (although not quite as important) a pundit.

Im not sure how you can continue in a job when practically everyone in your stadium, and probably your players, think youre a total wally.

 

I think your job has to be untenable.

 

A horrid experiment that has gone awfully wrong.

 

He'll be sacked soon. Shame really.

[Guest Col city fan]

How do you know that Valencia have lost?

Col bumps this thread.

Don't believe I said that he had respect as a manager. But you're on something illegal if you don't think he has great respect in the game as a player, a coach and (although not quite as important) a pundit.

He'll be sacked soon. Shame really.

Cmon..you've had a mare here and must take it on the chin.

Neville may well go on to learn from this and be a successful manager. But this job was just too big too soon.

Admit it?

[AKCJ]

Cmon..you've had a mare here and must take it on the chin.

Neville may well go on to learn from this and be a successful manager. But this job was just too big too soon.

Admit it?

 

You're quite special Col. I'll give you that.

 

Neville couldn't turn this job down and the reality has been that he's not been able to get the best out of the players he's got. He's failed, unfortunately.

 

I'm quite happy to hold my hands up and say that my prediction has (so far) been far from reality. Gary Neville has failed as manager of Valencia but i'm still positive that he'll be a more than competent manager and will be successful in England.

 

Now, lets talk about being an adult and taking things on the chin. Does the name "Cambiasso" ring any bells?  

[Guest Col city fan]

You're quite special Col. I'll give you that.

 

Neville couldn't turn this job down and the reality has been that he's not been able to get the best out of the players he's got. He's failed, unfortunately.

 

I'm quite happy to hold my hands up and say that my prediction has (so far) been far from reality. Gary Neville has failed as manager of Valencia but i'm still positive that he'll be a more than competent manager and will be successful in England.

 

Now, lets talk about being an adult and taking things on the chin. Does the name "Cambiasso" ring any bells?  

 

Haha!

I would if I was wrong!!!

Well done to you though to be fair. You've got this one arse about face, but have accepted it. (Amidst an awful lot of hot air I might add)

I still hope Neville does well at some point. Like you, I see him as a good bloke.

[AKCJ]

 Can't say I didn't give you the opportunity to be mature.

 

I can't believe you actually have the gall to say that I got something arse about face, and then say you were right in suggesting that Cattermole would have been a better signing than Cambiasso.

 

Quite incredible really.

[Carl the Llama]

 Can't say I didn't give you the opportunity to be mature.

 

I can't believe you actually have the gall to say that I got something arse about face, and then say you were right in suggesting that Cattermole would have been a better signing than Cambiasso.

 

Quite incredible really.

In Col's defence he's almost definitely right that the team wouldn't be as good this year with Cambiasso in the starting 11.  That seems pretty obvious all things considered.  As for the "how do you know that Valencia have lost" jibe, well you don't even need to wait for this thread to bump, just for your calendar to reach the end of another 7 day period.

[Dan]

You're quite special Col. I'll give you that.

 

Neville couldn't turn this job down and the reality has been that he's not been able to get the best out of the players he's got. He's failed, unfortunately.

 

I'm quite happy to hold my hands up and say that my prediction has (so far) been far from reality. Gary Neville has failed as manager of Valencia but i'm still positive that he'll be a more than competent manager and will be successful in England.

 

Now, lets talk about being an adult and taking things on the chin. Does the name "Cambiasso" ring any bells?  

 

Why couldn't he?

 

He was absolutely deluded if he thought this would work out.

 

It's just a good job they've got enough points on board. Imagine taking the third biggest club in Spain down.

[AKCJ]

Why couldn't he?

 

He was absolutely deluded if he thought this would work out.

 

It's just a good job they've got enough points on board. Imagine taking the third biggest club in Spain down.

 

You answered it in your post.

 

They're the 3rd biggest club in the best league in world football. There is no way that any sane person turns down that role. 

[Guest ttfn]

I would take the Valencia job if offered it.

[Donut]

You answered it in your post.

 

They're the 3rd biggest club in the best league in world football. There is no way that any sane person turns down that role. 

 

 

I would take the Valencia job if offered it.

 

And then you totally **** it up like most people pretty much knew, and lo and behold, your career is badly blotted before its even begun.

 

But yeah, thats sane.

[AKCJ]

And then you totally **** it up like most people pretty much knew, and lo and behold, your career is badly blotted before its even begun.

 

But yeah, thats sane.

 

Not everyone has this weird defeatist attitude.

 

Most people (especially sportsmen) are ambitious in life and actually think they can achieve things.

[Donut]

Not everyone has this weird defeatist attitude.

 

Most people (especially sportsmen) are ambitious in life and actually think they can achieve things.

 

And most are also realistic enough to know that being a good player and pushing a few buttons on TV doesnt automatically qualify them to manage one of the biggest teams in the world, unless they are deluded, arrogant beyond belief or recklessly confident.

 

He wouldnt have even been offered the job had Phil not been a coach and the owner knew him.

 

Its like giving the Valencia job to Jamie Redknapp. How laughable would that be? what exactly qualifies Neville to be a football manager? nothing.

 

EDIT: And coaching England has little or nothing to do with this either.

[Corky]

His career won't be adversely affected by it unless he feels he doesn't want to manage again. He has a lot of goodwill in the game and I'm sure clubs over here would give him a chance.

 

Can't say I'm too surprised it hasn't worked out, a novice coach in a foreign country, at a demanding club and only a limited grasp of the language makes it a very tough ask.

[Donut]

I should make the point, where i said "what qualifies Neville to be a football manager"

 

i should have said, what qualifies neville to go straight into a big job having done absolutely nothing as a manager in his entire life.

 

That would be more accurate.