ZeljkoKalac1 Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 Shouldn't the F.A. be accountable for this mess? It's their league. They chose sky to broadcast their games and agreed these late moves could happen. Sky are doing nothing wrong, just adhering to their agreement with the F.A. Now I understand why sky would want the late moves, it makes sense to get better viewing figures. The real problem here is that a lot of us (me included) didnt know this fixture could move as a load of tv games had been announced.Shouldn't the potential move been advertised when we bought tickets, say with a cut off date so we could plan accordingly? The club website didnt say anything. Luckily I'm ok to go on the Sunday and hadn't booked train and hotels etc, but I could had easily done and been in the same boat as a lot of people today.
StanSP Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 The real problem here is that a lot of us (me included) didnt know this fixture could move as a load of tv games had been announced there's your answer to your own question. once games are decided a couple months ago you'd hope to be quite sure that they are the only games that will be moved. NOT 3 weeks before the match. It's ridiculous on Sky's behalf, as well as the FA's, AND Leicester/Arsenal for agreeing to it. Although I have no idea how much of a choice the club's actually had.
Corky Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 This is entirely Sky's doing. This is a fixture change six weeks after every other televised match in the same period was moved. There is no justification for such a late change and this situation arising where fans have booked train tickets, hotel rooms and match tickets are now wasting and losing money and having to make alterations, as well as missing attending the game after purchasing a ticket for a specified date.
ZeljkoKalac1 Posted 21 January 2016 Author Posted 21 January 2016 there's your answer to your own question. once games are decided a couple months ago you'd hope to be quite sure that they are the only games that will be moved. NOT 3 weeks before the match. It's ridiculous on Sky's behalf, as well as the FA's, AND Leicester/Arsenal for agreeing to it. Although I have no idea how much of a choice the club's actually had. Read the first bit......the FA agreed sky could move the game with this notice period. The FA own the league, not sky
ZeljkoKalac1 Posted 21 January 2016 Author Posted 21 January 2016 This is entirely Sky's doing. This is a fixture change six weeks after every other televised match in the same period was moved. There is no justification for such a late change and this situation arising where fans have booked train tickets, hotel rooms and match tickets are now wasting and losing money and having to make alterations, as well as missing attending the game after purchasing a ticket for a specified date. And who gives sky the authority to move the game at short notice?
The Doctor Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 And who gives sky the authority to move the game at short notice? Just because you technically can do something, doesn't mean you should. The agreement with the premier league (not the fa, they don't own the league) may present that possibility, but common decency says to announce it with the rest, or at least before tickets go on sale.
Strokes Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 Once tickets go on sale, they shouldn't be able to move them. Appalling.
ZeljkoKalac1 Posted 21 January 2016 Author Posted 21 January 2016 Just because you technically can do something, doesn't mean you should. The agreement with the premier league (not the fa, they don't own the league) may present that possibility, but common decency says to announce it with the rest, or at least before tickets go on sale. Ok the premier league, not the FA then (i stand corrected). The rules of the agreement were in the sale of the broadcasting rights from the premier league which they agreed to. They shouldn't give the broadcaster the right to do this after match day tickets have been sold. Sky have paid a lot of money for this agreement and have every right to move the game if they are allowed to. The premier league have sold out the fans here.
Phube Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 *Devil's Advocate Alert* Sadly, it's all allowable in the terms and conditions of the ticket sales.
glenelgfox Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 Bottom line is the TV rights and dollars are why the PL is the number 1 comp in the world and why players get paid what they do as most clubs would fold without that revenue. They have Football by the balls so to speak and they don't care about the fan who stands (sits nowdays) on the terraces spending his or her money supporting the clubs.
davieG Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 It's nothing to do with the FA the PL Is an independent autonomous business and they can do whatever they like with regards to the media, they're only responsible to the FA is purely on football related matters even then it's more down to UEFA and FIFA. The FA are pretty much a toothless organisation.
ZeljkoKalac1 Posted 21 January 2016 Author Posted 21 January 2016 It's nothing to do with the FA the PL Is an independent autonomous business and they can do whatever they like with regards to the media, they're only responsible to the FA is purely on football related matters even then it's more down to UEFA and FIFA. The FA are pretty much a toothless organisation. Yes as I said above....I stand corrected. Still, same argument against the PL.
Guest Manini Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 And who gives sky the authority to move the game at short notice?Probably something to do with the millions and millions they throw at clubs each season. Aren't the TV deals given as a sort of compensation to the club for fixtures being moved? (Correct me if I'm wrong somebody)Makes me laugh, people go on about wanting to stay in the premier league next season to get the bumper TV money, and then moan when they move fixtures to suit them. If I was a business and I was paying billions to televise something, i'd pretty much want all the authority as well. As the OP said, this isn't Sky's problem, it's the Football Leagues and the Premier Lagues fault for allowing Sky (and BT) to have all the power in this country. Edit: It's nothing to do with the FA actually, the Premier League as an independent are responsible for the media.
ZeljkoKalac1 Posted 22 January 2016 Author Posted 22 January 2016 Probably something to do with the millions and millions they throw at clubs each season. Aren't the TV deals given as a sort of compensation to the club for fixtures being moved? (Correct me if I'm wrong somebody) Makes me laugh, people go on about wanting to stay in the premier league next season to get the bumper TV money, and then moan when they move fixtures to suit them. If I was a business and I was paying billions to televise something, i'd pretty much want all the authority as well. As the OP said, this isn't Sky's problem, it's the Football Leagues and the Premier Lagues fault for allowing Sky (and BT) to have all the power in this country. Edit: It's nothing to do with the FA actually, the Premier League as an independent are responsible for the media. Exactly my point. Got the FA bit wrong but sky have a right to do what they did as they paid for that right, the anger should be aimed towards the people that let them do it.
Elsie Ephsey Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Zeljko, I completely take your point - the PL are accountable as well to a degree. However, it's Sky who are ultimately calling the shots here. You and Manini both sound as though you have not waited for the right time to book your train tickets (i.e. after the live games have been announced), booked them, paid for them, and yet still been shafted. What else is a fan who wants to travel by train to do? Wait until the last minute, pay over the odds and - even worse - miss getting a ticket at the time of day that they want to travel? It's not right, and I'm amazed at the number of people on this forum who are insinuating that it is. I'd wager that not a single one of them has lost money here.
Guest Manini Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Zeljko, I completely take your point - the PL are accountable as well to a degree. However, it's Sky who are ultimately calling the shots here. You and Manini both sound as though you have not waited for the right time to book your train tickets (i.e. after the live games have been announced), booked them, paid for them, and yet still been shafted. What else is a fan who wants to travel by train to do? Wait until the last minute, pay over the odds and - even worse - miss getting a ticket at the time of day that they want to travel? It's not right, and I'm amazed at the number of people on this forum who are insinuating that it is. I'd wager that not a single one of them has lost money here. I'm not going to the game so I've not been shafted, I'll now be watching the game from the comfort of my own home which suits me fine. Still don't like seeing hardworking football fans who spend hard earned cash following their team being taken for a merry dance though. I haven't seen anybody on here try and claim that this is right. There's just a double standard, because people moan about these fixtures getting changed and then go on about the big money TV deals and how lucrative they are for the club, when it's those very same TV money deals which are basically giving the broadcaster the right to mess them about. Don't get me wrong, it's not as if fans can sit there and go "hang on, let me just get my crystal ball out...yep, Arsenal's being moved for Sky, don't book the trains yet", and I totally sympathise with that. The Premier League just need to sit there and establish some new ground rules for me, a cut off date for when games can be moved, which should be when tickets are on sale past a certain date....but I suppose that means the PL would have to communicate more with the clubs, probably too much work for them.
Elsie Ephsey Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Your final paragraph is spot on, and I don't think it's too much to ask. Let's hope the clubs force the issue on this.
MattyGamble Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Only way around it I suppose is to check when Sky decide on each batch of fixtures they are going to change There is no excuse for the time scale they've done this though. Understandable that they want to wait to see which games have more meaning later on, but at this stage there is no excuse whatsoever
Aus Fox Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 A simple premier league rule could come into play that a fixture can not be moved once tickets have gone on sale to away fans. That's usually 4 weeks or so before a game I think, giving plenty of time for Sky/BT to arrange their games and away supporters to arrange travel when the purchase their ticket. Is that too much to ask for?
Livid Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Not playing devil's advocate or being an arse but this is the price you pay for being in the show. Sky and BT are after ratings and subscribers. They pay the big money, which makes the PL what it is and they call the shots. Have a moan on Twitter but ultimately you're going to have to suck it up. They do this kind of stuff all the time, this time it's our turn. Newcastle away at Bournemouth with a lunchtime kick off anyone?
The Doctor Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 They do this kind of stuff all the time, this time it's our turn. Newcastle away at Bournemouth with a lunchtime kick off anyone? Well they don't though, when was the last time something like this happened? Stupid and impractical kickoff times are one thing, moving the game after its already sold out and people will have booked travel and accommodation, after the games for that weekend had been announced, is quite another.
CosbehFox Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Sorry I don't accept half of these arguments We all know Sky and BT will change fixtures, so I wait until they have announced their games for the weekend (5/6 weeks before). It says as much on the Premier League website. Once a game has been moved or not touched, I book my train tickets. What I don't expect is then three weeks before Sky nominate an additional game - out of nowhere?!? It's part and parcel of the modern game is television fixtures but to call it this late is unfair
Staffs Fox Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Moving games is nothing new but this incedent is unprecedented hence the outcry There had always been this gentlemans agreement that all the fixtures for a certain month are decided at once at least 6 weeks before the first fixture. If you make your travel arrangements before this date you're a fool. However we had that date weeks ago. That meant that our fixture was safe and was confirmed for 3pm on the 13th. This move basically throws the entire rule/agreement out the window and means that away fans will never be able advanced train tickets, hotel rooms or time off work because there's now a chance it could be moved at any time and they'll lose everything. This game is 3 weeks away, what's to stop them doing to 2 weeks before next time to us or another club? That once safe 6 week rule has now been shown to be as weak as Sky and the PL affection for match going fans
sly1 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Why have set days for matches if they keep moving them bloody disgrace sky.you buy your tickets for that day of match !!!
Fox92 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Nothing to do with the FA. The Premier League are a private company. That's shocking in itself, I know.
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