filbertway Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 All I'd say is that I hope people use the inurance option on tickets now so they can get refunds if this happens in future. Crazy that they do this so close to kick so fans will lose money on train tickets and have to pay even more with it being closer to the time!
Fox92 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Not playing devil's advocate or being an arse but this is the price you pay for being in the show. Sky and BT are after ratings and subscribers. They pay the big money, which makes the PL what it is and they call the shots. Have a moan on Twitter but ultimately you're going to have to suck it up. They do this kind of stuff all the time, this time it's our turn. Newcastle away at Bournemouth with a lunchtime kick off anyone? Not with three weeks to go. Their policiy states they give three months in advance ie December games are announced in October. But with 21 days to go.. Absolute disgrace.. I've already paid for train tickets and a hotel. I looked yesterday at changing my tickets to Sunday from the Saturday, it'll cost me £50. Now consider how many of our 3000 away fans have to do the same (and even Arsenal fans who don't live in North London too). There is inbetween here. Sky are absolutely in the wrong and nobody can even try to defend them.
Captain... Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Once tickets go on sale, they shouldn't be able to move them. Appalling. Exactly this but it needs to be enforced by the premier league, I'm not sure how this change came about but there must be something in Sky's contract with the Premier League and with the clubs' contracts with the Premier League that allows this to happen.
Russell sprout Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 there's your answer to your own question. once games are decided a couple months ago you'd hope to be quite sure that they are the only games that will be moved. NOT 3 weeks before the match. It's ridiculous on Sky's behalf, as well as the FA's, AND Leicester/Arsenal for agreeing to it. Although I have no idea how much of a choice the club's actually had. I've gotta say that when Arsenal ticket prices where announced that i thought it was odd that they were selling 108+ points only 5 days after priority 1,my point being that I think the club also knew it would be in sky therefore looking to sell the tickets quickly with it being cheap,it would be nieve to think the club only find out when we do its on sky?
Bayfox Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 I've gotta say that when Arsenal ticket prices where announced that i thought it was odd that they were selling 108+ points only 5 days after priority 1,my point being that I think the club also knew it would be in sky therefore looking to sell the tickets quickly with it being cheap,it would be nieve to think the club only find out when we do its on sky? That's been the system most of the season. Away scheme issued one day before P1, P1 has 1 or 2 days, then P2 and P3. As for the hate for sky, they and BT had annouced the 2 games for that weekend, so we took it as pretty safe to order our train tickets as soon as we got match tickets for a game that was listed as saturday, sold as being on saturday and arrived with a saturday 3pm ko time printed. We now have 6 redundant tickets for a train on the saturday and have had to re buy for the sunday, total coast around £70-80 quid each for 6 ppl. That's why the hate. Add into that, the stupid ko time, meaning a 7.20 start on a sunday. And people have lives you know, kids that play sunday morning football, people who work their shifts to get saturdays off, but have to work sundays as a compensation, I know to some it may seem nothing to move a game by a few hours, but it causes people a lot of hassle, 1 off our lads is now gonna have to drop out, £38 quid for a train we can't use, £32 for a replacement, £26 quid for a ticket. Now unless I can sell the ticket and train as a package someone is out of pocket and even then we are still stuck with the original 6 train tickets unless we can use them for watford or palace. That's why the hate, but good on those people who pay silly money a month to be able to sit on their arse at home and watch it. Some of us want to go to games.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Bottom line is the TV rights and dollars are why the PL is the number 1 comp in the world and why players get paid what they do as most clubs would fold without that revenue. They have Football by the balls so to speak and they don't care about the fan who stands (sits nowdays) on the terraces spending his or her money supporting the clubs. Well, really it's not about that. If Sky didn't rob the football watching fans to pay for their exclusive coverage, then players would just be paid less. Clubs wouldn't fold, and if the money wasn't there players would still kill each other to play for 1% of what they do now. Sky have actively killed cricket, they will kill F1, when the Olympics goes they'll kill most of those minor sports too. The only sport that survives their "investment" is football cos we're the only bunch stupid enough to keep paying massive amounts of wedge to Rupert Murdoch, while thanking him for passing most of it onto very rich footballers. Cheers Rup, you scrotum faced dementor.
Russell sprout Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 That's been the system most of the season. Away scheme issued one day before P1, P1 has 1 or 2 days, then P2 and P3. As for the hate for sky, they and BT had annouced the 2 games for that weekend, so we took it as pretty safe to order our train tickets as soon as we got match tickets for a game that was listed as saturday, sold as being on saturday and arrived with a saturday 3pm ko time printed. We now have 6 redundant tickets for a train on the saturday and have had to re buy for the sunday, total coast around £70-80 quid each for 6 ppl. That's why the hate. Add into that, the stupid ko time, meaning a 7.20 start on a sunday. And people have lives you know, kids that play sunday morning football, people who work their shifts to get saturdays off, but have to work sundays as a compensation, I know to some it may seem nothing to move a game by a few hours, but it causes people a lot of hassle, 1 off our lads is now gonna have to drop out, £38 quid for a train we can't use, £32 for a replacement, £26 quid for a ticket. Now unless I can sell the ticket and train as a package someone is out of pocket and even then we are still stuck with the original 6 train tickets unless we can use them for watford or palace. That's why the hate, but good on those people who pay silly money a month to be able to sit on their arse at home and watch it. Some of us want to go to games. I agree with you,but I stand by my point that I think the club most likely knew of the game change a few weeks befour us hence the selling arrangements,they don't always lower it to cat c within days of cat a,and also sell the tickets with folk on say 125+ first few day,then sometimes 118+ points,then 115+ and so on,I'm in no doubt we would have sold out regardless of sky or not but I don't think as stated befour the the club found out when we did.
J.Lisemore Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Greed... that's what it all comes down to. The inevitable headline in years to come will be about showing every Premier League game, and the monthly subscription being astronomical.
indierich06 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Sky and the PL have ruined top flight football. Does anyone really think this influx of money has really made things better for the average fan? Does anyone really believe that football was shit before the PL and Sky came along? If there was no Sky or Premier League, there'd still be an English top division, there'd still be the same clubs in it, there'd be way more focus on homegrown players than foreign imports, there'd be fewer crazy money signings, there'd be no oil barons using football clubs as their playthings, there'd be fewer clubs getting themselves into a crazy amount of debt by paying trasnfer fees and wages they can't afford, there'd be cheaper tickets home and away, there'd be more 3pm Saturday kick-offs... Seriously, where's the downside? Someone needs to hit the reset button. I don't want a global brand, I want a league run for the fans who spend their hard-earned cash on the club week in, week out.
Guest MattP Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Makes me laugh, people go on about wanting to stay in the premier league next season to get the bumper TV money, and then moan when they move fixtures to suit them. That's a fair point to be honest. Sky have been brilliant for virtually every other sport going but they really have fcuked football over, the desire the World over to see Premier League football has led to such riches that any sort of care and consideration for our own fans is now at the bottom of the pile, deep down of course they also know that they can do whatever they want as whatever they do, it's about pleasing TV viewers across the World as much as anything, they know British fans will still be paying out and coming to matches because at the end of the day we are addicts and slaves to our teams. This is more about courtesy than anything though, the notice is just far too short, Barney Francis is a football fan himself and he would know that fans would have already booked train tickets and accommodation for this match. The only way to have a chance of stopping these things is complete boycotts as they did in Germany, no one in the organisation of Sky or the Premier League will bat an eyelid at a few banners, chants or missing 5 minutes. 99% of viewers would just assume it was our fans arriving late anyway at that time on a Sunday.
davieG Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Let's hope they don't use paper tickets else they'll miss the first 20 minutes anyway.
yorkie1999 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 That's been the system most of the season. Away scheme issued one day before P1, P1 has 1 or 2 days, then P2 and P3. As for the hate for sky, they and BT had annouced the 2 games for that weekend, so we took it as pretty safe to order our train tickets as soon as we got match tickets for a game that was listed as saturday, sold as being on saturday and arrived with a saturday 3pm ko time printed. We now have 6 redundant tickets for a train on the saturday and have had to re buy for the sunday, total coast around £70-80 quid each for 6 ppl. That's why the hate. Add into that, the stupid ko time, meaning a 7.20 start on a sunday. And people have lives you know, kids that play sunday morning football, people who work their shifts to get saturdays off, but have to work sundays as a compensation, I know to some it may seem nothing to move a game by a few hours, but it causes people a lot of hassle, 1 off our lads is now gonna have to drop out, £38 quid for a train we can't use, £32 for a replacement, £26 quid for a ticket. Now unless I can sell the ticket and train as a package someone is out of pocket and even then we are still stuck with the original 6 train tickets unless we can use them for watford or palace. That's why the hate, but good on those people who pay silly money a month to be able to sit on their arse at home and watch it. Some of us want to go to games. How do you use the original 6 train tickets for watford or palace?
JPM1983 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Sky (and BT) pay a fortune for the TV Premier League rights - if they want to move a game they're going to, irrespective of the fact it is three weeks before the game and supports will lose money on train tickets etc. Sky are the reason there is so much money in the league, would foreign owners invest so much if there wasn't all this money? Think the current squad would be at City if they weren't being paid decent wages? No chance.
JPM1983 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Probably something to do with the millions and millions they throw at clubs each season. Aren't the TV deals given as a sort of compensation to the club for fixtures being moved? (Correct me if I'm wrong somebody) Makes me laugh, people go on about wanting to stay in the premier league next season to get the bumper TV money, and then moan when they move fixtures to suit them. If I was a business and I was paying billions to televise something, i'd pretty much want all the authority as well. Spot on.
Voll Blau Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Probably something to do with the millions and millions they throw at clubs each season. Aren't the TV deals given as a sort of compensation to the club for fixtures being moved? (Correct me if I'm wrong somebody) Makes me laugh, people go on about wanting to stay in the premier league next season to get the bumper TV money, and then moan when they move fixtures to suit them. If I was a business and I was paying billions to televise something, i'd pretty much want all the authority as well. As the OP said, this isn't Sky's problem, it's the Football Leagues and the Premier Lagues fault for allowing Sky (and BT) to have all the power in this country. Edit: It's nothing to do with the FA actually, the Premier League as an independent are responsible for the media. And what compensation do the clubs' supporters see from that? In this case, literally thousands have lost money.
Guest Manini Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 And what compensation do the clubs' supporters see from that? In this case, literally thousands have lost money. Well it's none isn't it. If you asked Sky to put it in a statement I'm sure they'd come out with some excuse about their money allowing fans to see the best players in the world play every week in the best league in the world, and I'm sure they'd actually believe their own bullsh*t in such a case. At the end of the day I think it's a flawed system, but as long as the deal is good for the Premier League, Sky and the Club, the supporters aren't even considered and that's just how it is nowadays.
HighPeakFox Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Well, really it's not about that. If Sky didn't rob the football watching fans to pay for their exclusive coverage, then players would just be paid less. Clubs wouldn't fold, and if the money wasn't there players would still kill each other to play for 1% of what they do now. Sky have actively killed cricket, they will kill F1, when the Olympics goes they'll kill most of those minor sports too. The only sport that survives their "investment" is football cos we're the only bunch stupid enough to keep paying massive amounts of wedge to Rupert Murdoch, while thanking him for passing most of it onto very rich footballers. Cheers Rup, you scrotum faced dementor. This is pretty much on the money. Buy it all up to ultimately control and keep/destroy..........plus ca change. It's a lot of fun right now, but it will come crashing down in time. And it gives me no pleasure saying that either.
Bayfox Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 How do you use the original 6 train tickets for watford or palace? Non refundable but we can change them for an alternative journey upto 48 hours before the original use. So our only option at the minute is to go via London to Watford. Or hope palace tickets go on sale before the 11th.
Fox92 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 How people can defend this is beyond me. I'll sadly accept games being moved (I wanted to go Watford away but don't think I'll bother now) but not with three weeks to go. I had everything in place - trains and a hotel - but all that has to be changed now. And it's not just me is it? It's literally the most of our away following that day. We've lost hundreds our pounds because of this move and they should refund / or at least pay the difference. The Premier League state that they move games with months to go, not weeks. Joke. They statement they issued is standard shite and they haven't responded to my email yet.
yorkie1999 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Non refundable but we can change them for an alternative journey upto 48 hours before the original use. So our only option at the minute is to go via London to Watford. Or hope palace tickets go on sale before the 11th. Oh, shame you can't just use them for the re-scheduled game.
GaelicFox Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Best thing that ever happened to British football We can sit safely with our children We can watch great sport production at weekend We see world class players paid for by sky money The stadiums have improved because of sky money Honestly is not a perfect relationship but like with your wife you have to take the rough with the smooth Whinging and moaning is a serious speciality in Leicestershire If you don't like it get a season ticket of oadby town !
Fox92 Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Best thing that ever happened to British football We can sit safely with our children We can watch great sport production at weekend We see world class players paid for by sky money The stadiums have improved because of sky money Honestly is not a perfect relationship but like with your wife you have to take the rough with the smooth Whinging and moaning is a serious speciality in Leicestershire If you don't like it get a season ticket of oadby town ! You paid to go to Arsenal by any chance?
Soar Fox Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 You paid to go to Arsenal by any chance? Of course he hasn't he's one of the biggest trolls on the forum.
J.Lisemore Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 Best thing that ever happened to British football We can sit safely with our children We can watch great sport production at weekend We see world class players paid for by sky money The stadiums have improved because of sky money Honestly is not a perfect relationship but like with your wife you have to take the rough with the smooth Whinging and moaning is a serious speciality in Leicestershire If you don't like it get a season ticket of oadby town ! What the fvck even is this
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