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If (and its a big 'if') we win the league, will it be the biggest feat in English Football History?

By Guest Col city fan, in Leicester City Forum

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Ozwin

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Surely there was less money and reputation meant more back in the 70s/80s? Now there's astronomical amounts of money and the top sides have the pick of every player in the world. We win the league and it's turned football upside down. Broken the status quo that hasn't changed in 20 years.

Guest Col city fan

Guest Col city fan

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Surely there was less money and reputation meant more back in the 70s/80s? Now there's astronomical amounts of money and the top sides have the pick of every player in the world. We win the league and it's turned football upside down. Broken the status quo that hasn't changed in 20 years.

 

Pretty much how we saw it Oz

LanguedocFox

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Ipswich winning the league after promotion and Forest doing the same then adding two Euroeoan Cups are bigger achievements. I know there was less money about then but it was still a rare and impressive feat.

I don't see the relevance of Forest's European Cup opponents either. So what if they're crap now; they weren't then and a European Cup is a European Cup. You could even argue it's easier to win now, format-wise. Yes, the talent is concentrated in fewer huge clubs (although the names of those clubs will change, it won't be Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich forever) but you can lose a couple or three and still progress to the last sixteen. You couldn't then.

If we win the league it will be by far the greatest achievement in our own history, which is the important thing.

 

Sadly, I have to agree with this. When Clough took over at Florist, they were nowhere, and he was (potentially) a has-been, having been sacked by Derby, quit Brighton and then been sacked by Leeds. I had a good mate who was a Florist fan, and I told him it was a big mistake, for both Florist and Clough. As I have said many times before, it goes to show how much I know about football.

 

For all that, I think this season is easily the best in all my time of watching City. I'm currently watching the Ar$e losing to Chelski on a poor stream, and as things stand we are three points clear, with a better goal difference than them. Ha!!!

smudger63

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I think Ipswich winning the league in the 60s or Forests early 80s successes will always remain unsurpassed.

The difference is, that back in the days of Ipswich and Forest winning the league, the league was a much more level playing field.

At the start of the any season in those days, pretty much anyone could start the season, and think they might have a chance.

The big clubs of the day didn`t have shed loads of money to spend on who ever they wanted.

Where as today, If you compare what we`ve spent on players and our wage bill compared to the Man Citys, and Arsenals of the footballing world, we shouldn`t be anywhere near them.

So for me, if, and it really is unlikely, but if we won the league, it would certainly be the biggest achievement by a club at domestic level.

Much as it pains me to say it though, the 2 europeon cups that F****t won after winning the league, would  probably remain the greatest achievement by an english club over all.

Guest Col city fan

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Is this the same shite team being discussed on this forum only last week Col?

 

I do get fed up with your pessimism BTS. Why don't you get behind the team more!

:claudio:

Baggie man

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More of a medium size IF rather than big IF I reckon.

In the 60s 8 different teams won the title,in the 70s it was 6 different teams, in the last 20 years it's been 4 sides.

Not taking anything away from Ipswich or Forest but the spread of top players was a lot more even then and not so much of a gulf between the top two divisions.

Guest Col city fan

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Ok mate I'll try ;)

 

:D

Fox92

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Not ever. Brian Clough turned an average second division Nottingham Forest team and turned them into the best team in Europe. And then retained the European Cup/Champions League too. That's very hard to beat.

 

But in terms of the Premier League era, then yes it'd be up there. I think Arsenal going a whole 38 game season unbeaten would be better than our achievement but I think our achievement would be better than Blackburn winning it. I mean, it was a great achievement by Blackburn, but they did spend a lot of money when you think back to the likes of Sutton, Sherwood and Shearer.

Guest Bilo

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I think Ipswich winning the league in the 60s or Forests early 80s successes will always remain unsurpassed.

 

As immense as those achievements were, I think a club of our size winning the league in this era would surpass it. Forest were one of the biggest spenders in the division in that era, and Ipswich won it in an era that was wide open. For us to win the league in this era, against the teams that cost hundreds of millions of pounds to assemble with single players that cost more than our entire starting XI, would be the biggest achievement in English football history.

Guest Bilo

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Not ever. Brian Clough turned an average second division Nottingham Forest team and turned them into the best team in Europe. And then retained the European Cup/Champions League too. That's very hard to beat.

 

But in terms of the Premier League era, then yes it'd be up there. I think Arsenal going a whole 38 game season unbeaten would be better than our achievement but I think our achievement would be better than Blackburn winning it. I mean, it was a great achievement by Blackburn, but they did spend a lot of money when you think back to the likes of Sutton, Sherwood and Shearer.

 

Forest spent a packet as well. Let's not forget it was Clough who brought the first million pound player. 

Clough was a genius, but a genius who was very fond of the cheque book. We would need to succeed in Europe to match those achievements, which again is far harder in 2016 than in the late 70s and early 80s owing to the enormous resources of the European giants now, but us winning the league would eclipse anything that has gone before.

bovril

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As immense as those achievements were, I think a club of our size winning the league in this era would surpass it. Forest were one of the biggest spenders in the division in that era, and Ipswich won it in an era that was wide open. For us to win the league in this era, against the teams that cost hundreds of millions of pounds to assemble with single players that cost more than our entire starting XI, would be the biggest achievement in English football history.

 

Good points. The money factor certainly comes into it. I just think if you are judging it on how far a club has come, to go from 2nd division also-rans to European champions with the nucleus of the squad staying the same is quite remarkable.

Guest Bilo

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Good points. The money factor certainly comes into it. I just think if you are judging it on how far a club has come, to go from 2nd division also-rans to European champions with the nucleus of the squad staying the same is quite remarkable.

 

I think we would be in a similar position, though. If you look at our starting XI on Saturday; Schmeichel, Morgan, Drinkwater and Vardy were all starting for us not only in our Championship winning season but also when we were mid-table or just squeaking into the play-offs. 

bovril

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I think we would be in a similar position, though. If you look at our starting XI on Saturday; Schmeichel, Morgan, Drinkwater and Vardy were all starting for us not only in our Championship winning season but also when we were mid-table or just squeaking into the play-offs. 

 

Hmm. 4 players are still with us from the Champ. 8 of Forest's European cup winning team were with them in the 2nd division. Can't really compare it. I can't believe I'm sitting here defending bloody Forest!

Guest Bilo

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Blackburn can be seen as almost the Manchester City of their day, though. They may be a small club from a small town, but there wasn't half a lot of money thrown at them. 

Guest Bilo

Guest Bilo

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Hmm. 4 players are still with us from the Champ. 8 of Forest's European cup winning team were with them in the 2nd division. Can't really compare it. I can't believe I'm sitting here defending bloody Forest!

 

lol Fair point!

 

The really mad thing is that they only just won promotion to the First Division as well, they finished third. In the modern game, they may not even have gone up.

 

Also, the gulf between the first and second tiers is some way larger. Every promoted club needs significant reinforcements, but ours have been gradual rather than spendthift. 

Countryfox

Countryfox

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Do you lot realise what you are discussing here ? .......      from this time last year ....     mind blowing !!

 

P.S.  Oh, Arsenal just lost.

the_smith

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Stuart Pearce was on TalkSport the other day and said along the lines of 'if Leister win the leauge, it would blow what Forest did out the water...'. I think that says what we need to know.

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