Islam Slimani

[RoyFox]

5 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

we're buying a player to do a job for us, not to make/lose money on, what he costs is irrelevant. Money in football is irrelevant.

Exactly we're not Arsene friggin' Wenger obsessing about resale value and ending up with Jonny Evans 

[richardsfoxes]

Doubt this is a mover if we're trying to sign Perez. 

[sphericalfox]

4 minutes ago, richardsfoxes said:

Doubt this is a mover if we're trying to sign Perez. 

Could be a red herring to force their hand.

[Innovindil]

1 hour ago, hornyhollthefox123 said:

 

 

How is that so? So you're saying as soon as we sign a player for £10m or £20m that it's then irrelevant as it's been spent?

 

The club is still run as a business and any player's fee plus wages over a contract will be added up such that a player costs us x amount in total.. We're never going to not consider what we bought a player for as it makes no sense whatsoever.. And even though Ulloa has just turned 30 he has had two good solid years in the premier league and based on evidence of those two seasons he would score 12-18 goals if starting most weeks. If anything his value has gone up. I wouldn't consider selling him for less than £15m or so..

 

I still just think he's a good option as some games he'll be very much needed and other perhaps not, but still the point remains that given he is happy ish as a squad player he's reliable and a good option for us! If we guarantee that any replacement for Ulloa would start every game then i could understand completely, but from what i've seen then Slimani would be competing with Musa, Vardy and Okazaki and definitely wouldn't be guaranteed to. 

 

Would rather put that £20m contribution towards a RB or centre mid who would 100% start for us and give us something extra!

 

 

Slimani would bench okazaki and it isn't even close. It's time we had someone on the pitch that could flipping head a ball. 

 

 

[Babylon]

18 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

we're buying a player to do a job for us, not to make/lose money on, what he costs is irrelevant. Money in football is irrelevant.

It's really not... it might be to some clubs who can go out and spunk £50m 3 or 4 times a year on players, but to teams like Leicester it still means something. Not only that, but it's just good business to buy assets more likely to appreciate than depreciate.

 

It's not just about money of course, I said it was simplifying it a bit in the example. We did it to a lesser extent with Leo and Shinji (I wasn't keen on either at those prices considering their ages), buying them for good money considering their age. But the money Sporting were talking is huge compared to those and a lot to write off.

[Babylon]

Just now, Innovindil said:

Slimani would bench okazaki and it isn't even close. It's time we had someone on the pitch that could flipping head a ball. 

 

 

How does having someone who can head it fit into our starting style exactly? We'd need to invert the wingers to get the best from that as our crosses come from deep for runners, rather than crossing from further up for headers.

[The Railway Man]

14 minutes ago, sphericalfox said:

Could be a red herring to force their hand.

Nah, we dont do business like that.

[Gerard]

34 minutes ago, FireFox said:

So in 2 years time...

 

Buy So-and-so for 6m. Sell Slimani for 10m.

Sell So-and-so for 1m a year later after he flops.

 

Net profit of 5m. And we're down a striker because we didn't replace the flop, but at least we don't have a 30yo Slimani.

 

It's just an example, don't take it too literal.

 

Assuming we sold Ulloa for £10m and bought Slimani for £20m and sold him for £10m two years down the line or kept Ulloa and he left on a Bosman at 32. Our net spend would be zero but we would have had Slimani for two years at the age of 28-30 rather than Ulloa at the age of 30-32.

 

I'm an advocate of selling a 30 year old Ulloa for £10m. He our 4th choice striker and in two years time will likely leave on a Bosman. Assuming we pay him him £40k a week and we refuse a £10m offer that means it will cost the club £14m to have him play as 4th choice and maybe even 5th choice striker at some point. We would get more value out of selling him now and replacing him with Slimani or even a young up and coming highly rated striker similar to a Gray, Kapustka or Chilwell level. 

[Innovindil]

7 minutes ago, Babylon said:

How does having someone who can head it fit into our starting style exactly? We'd need to invert the wingers to get the best from that as our crosses come from deep for runners, rather than crossing from further up for headers.

Check Albrighton's crossing stats and come back to me. He does nothing else. Not to mention from corners/freekicks. Morgan and huth may have nabbed a couple but there's more to be had from those opportunities. 

[Guest the fox]

11 minutes ago, Babylon said:

How does having someone who can head it fit into our starting style exactly? We'd need to invert the wingers to get the best from that as our crosses come from deep for runners, rather than crossing from further up for headers.

it will work wonders when teamS are parking the bus. imagine a 6'2" beast with the BEST header in europe( yes. i he had the most goals with head for any player in europe). just get mahrez.fuchs and marc to do there job . as the great shaq likes to say "BBQ chicken". and that for the none nba fans mean easy points/goals. imagen carroll with better heading( yes i said it). faster feets. with okazaki's work rate. i am not over hyping him or any thing but. imagin a a big box striker.   fast . clinical. a header scoring machine. have a good weak foot and an amazing work rate. he is tailor made for the EPL

[Nick]

So just to re-cap, Slimani isn't the guy in the picture and we know as much as we did a couple of months ago when he would have preferred to sign for a new club and Perez is somebody we were interested in back in May and despite stuff in the Spanish press to the contrary its just a rehash as his agent says we've not been in contact for weeks.

 

In summary, no news then - just pages of random hypothetical crap?

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Check Albrighton's crossing stats and come back to me. He does nothing else. Not to mention from corners/freekicks. Morgan and huth may have nabbed a couple but there's more to be had from those opportunities. 

I'm aware of Albrightons crossing, but we play with inverted wingers and most of our crosses comes from deeper positions as they naturally have to cut inside, rather than getting to the line and whipping one in. Albrightons assists tend to be over the head of defenders from deep to a runner (Mahrez) ghosting in behind. We don't really stand them up to be headed.

[Babylon]

10 minutes ago, the fox said:

it will work wonders when teamS are parking the bus. imagine a 6'2" beast with the BEST header in europe( yes. i he had the most goals with head for any player in europe). just get mahrez.fuchs and marc to do there job . as the great shaq likes to say "BBQ chicken". and that for the none nba fans mean easy points/goals. imagen carroll with better heading( yes i said it). faster feets. with okazaki's work rate. i am not over hyping him or any thing but. imagin a a big box striker.   fast . clinical. a header scoring machine. have a good weak foot and an amazing work rate. he is tailor made for the EPL

I get it being a plan B, similar to Ulloa... just not sure he fits with plan A. He'd need to do lots of donkey work like Shinji.

[sphericalfox]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I'm aware of Albrightons crossing, but we play with inverted wingers and most of our crosses comes from deeper positions as they naturally have to cut inside, rather than getting to the line and whipping one in. Albrightons assists tend to be over the head of defenders from deep to a runner (Mahrez) ghosting in behind. We don't really stand them up to be headed.

With either Hernadez or Fuchs throwing considerably accurate bombs into the box, someone who can direct a ball with their noggin could prove quite useful

[Babylon]

5 minutes ago, sphericalfox said:

With either Hernadez or Fuchs throwing considerably accurate bombs into the box, someone who can direct a ball with their noggin could prove quite useful

I get those bits, but our general style doesn't really play to a heading game. I don't remember sitting there last year and thinking "we really need someone who is good at heading". If anything general play suffered when Leo used to come on as we'd just aimlessly pump it long. I'd happily have an Andy Carrol aerial presence on the bench as they can cause mayhem... just not sure where it fits if they are expected to start.

 

Anyway... I'm still convinced we were never even interested.

[Will1981]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I get those bits, but our general style doesn't really play to a heading game. I don't remember sitting there last year and thinking "we really need someone who is good at heading". If anything general play suffered when Leo used to come on as we'd just aimlessly pump it long. I'd happily have an Andy Carrol aerial presence on the bench as they can cause mayhem... just not sure where it fits if they are expected to start.

 

Anyway... I'm still convinced we were never even interested.

I did every time the opposition got a free kick or a corner.

[foxes21]

17 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I get it being a plan B, similar to Ulloa... just not sure he fits with plan A. He'd need to do lots of donkey work like Shinji.

 

he works just as hard as Shinji for sporting, his work rate and stamina is insane

 

plus slimani isn't just good at heading, as the Algerian poster said he's good at shooting weak foot, strong foot, holding the ball, creating chances, fast, etc.

[Gerard]

Just now, foxes21 said:

 

he works just as hard as Shinji for sporting, his work rate and stamina is insane

Ulloa and Shinji out, Slimani and Gabigol in. 

[foxes21]

3 minutes ago, Gerard said:

Ulloa and Shinji out, Slimani and Gabigol in. 

 

no.

 

Shinji is still a key player for us, whether we sign slimani or not.

[Babylon]

18 minutes ago, Will1981 said:

I did every time the opposition got a free kick or a corner.

Ha ha I was going to say that myself.

[sphericalfox]

23 minutes ago, Will1981 said:

I did every time the opposition got a free kick or a corner.

Huth and Morgan's stats for dealing with crosses last year (I'm guessing mostly with their heads) was exceptional. In fact we almost encouraged the opposition to force them to cross as we were confident to bounce off their blockheads back out of the box

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, sphericalfox said:

Huth and Morgan's stats for dealing with crosses last year (I'm guessing mostly with their heads) was exceptional. In fact we almost encouraged the opposition to force them to cross as we were confident to bounce off their blockheads back out of the box

We also conceded one of the highest rates of crosses and set pieces!

[sphericalfox]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

We also conceded one of the highest rates of crosses and set pieces!

Actual goals against us by crosses/freekicks?

[Babylon]

28 minutes ago, sphericalfox said:

Actual goals against us by crosses/freekicks?

Think so yes, that's what they said during the Barca game.

[sphericalfox]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Think so yes, that's what they said during the Barca game.

Interesting, as it was clear our strategy was to to encourage crossing. I don't remember a lot of opposition goals off freekicks, be the result be a headed goal against us. Would be good to have our Opta guy give us some cold hard stats.