Islam Slimani

[hornyhollthefox123]

2 hours ago, lgfualol said:

Yes. Slimani wont fall over trying to control the ball and doesn't run like he is waist deep in water. 

 

Yeah Leo Ulloa that clumsy terrible player who was our leading scorer first season back and who had the best conversion rate of any striker in the whole premier league last year who can also hold the ball up and scored some vital goals last year for us. Let alone the fact he's the best player we have in both boxes defending and attacking set pieces and crosses.

 

But yeah he falls over all the time and we should ship him out clearly for some guy who 80% of people haven't ever seen.. And somebody tell me how we would keep Slimani, Vardy, Musa and Okazaki happy.. All would expect to start!

 

Not saying Slimani isn't capable or a good player but the Ulloa criticism is so so tedious. I've said it before but i honestly don't think people understand football if you can't even vaguely see what Ulloa does for us. 

[Tielemans63]

1 hour ago, tsintskaro said:

 

No-one else a bit put off by the fact that he refused to train for his current club?

 

Can you imagine the reaction on here (and rightly so) if say Mahrez refused to turn up at Belvoir Drive because he wanted a move? 

 

Never an excuse for that IMHO

 

 

 

[Gerard]

Just now, matty98 said:

How is it irrelevant? you said our net cost would be 0 when it clearly wouldn't

 

Because I'm using the starting point from now.

 

What our players have cost us in the past is irrelevant, if we sell a player it's irrelevant that Mahrez cost £400k and Inler & Benalouane cost about £5m each.

 

Whatever way you look at it selling Ulloa for £10m is good business as we'd be selling a player with two years left on his deal who will probably leave on a Bosman as a 32 year old. How much game time will Ulloa get in the next two years to justify the £100k a week he loses in value over the next two years plus his wages?

 

If we assume Slimani is a better player than Ulloa then selling Ulloa for £10m and buying Slimani for £20m is great business as our net spend would be £10m and we have a 28 year old Slimani on a 4 year contract.

[Bluearmyfox28]

3 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

No-one else a bit put off by the fact that he refused to train for his current club?

 

Can you imagine the reaction on here (and rightly so) if say Mahrez refused to turn up at Belvoir Drive because he wanted a move? 

 

Never an excuse for that IMHO

 

 

 

Not really because if he was promised he could leave & Sporting are holding on to him then he might not think he has any other option to move his career forward. Plus the picture proves that it's lies as he turned up to training today.

[matty98]

3 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

Because I'm using the starting point from now.

 

What our players have cost us in the past is irrelevant, if we sell a player it's irrelevant that Mahrez cost £400k and Inler & Benalouane cost about £5m each.

 

Whatever way you look at it selling Ulloa for £10m is good business as we'd be selling a player with two years left on his deal who will probably leave on a Bosman as a 32 year old. How much game time will Ulloa get in the next two years to justify the £100k a week he loses in value over the next two years plus his wages?

 

If we assume Slimani is a better player than Ulloa then selling Ulloa for £10m and buying Slimani for £20m is great business as our net spend would be £10m and we have a 28 year old Slimani on a 4 year contract.

Don't get me wrong, I agree it's a good deal, but you can't just ignore the fact Ulloa cost £8 million. Our net spend on the two would be £18 million assuming Ulloa is sold for £10 million.

[Bluearmyfox28]

Slimani would be an upgrade to Ulloa. Would be all over this if it happened. Sell Leo for £12-15m & offer £15m for Slimani if he wants to leave so badly I would imagine sporting would cash in.

[AKCJ]

18 minutes ago, matty98 said:

How is it irrelevant? you said our net cost would be 0 when it clearly wouldn't

You could argue that Ulloa's achievements have meant that the club has recouped his transfer fee, if we're being pedantic.

[Gerard]

1 minute ago, matty98 said:

Don't get me wrong, I agree it's a good deal, but you can't just ignore the fact Ulloa cost £8 million. Our net spend on the two would be £18 million assuming Ulloa is sold for £10 million.

 

I'm just saying going forward the money we spent on Ulloa is irrelevant as to where we go from here.

 

Whether it was £8m, a free or £30m, that money has gone and shouldn't be a factor in what he is worth now. I like Ulloa, he has his limitations but has been a good servant to the club and a great buy. Where would we be without his goals in the first season and he stepped up to the plate at the end of last season, that penalty against West Ham and the brace against Swansea were critical for us.

 

Going forward though I think £10m for a 30 year old fourth choice striker is great business and that deal should be done and and get an upgrade, IMO it's a no brainer.

 

 

[Dan]

You could argue we've already had our £8mil worth of Ulloa.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

Leo has contributed greatly to our success of the last 2 years. I would be sad to see him go but would not begrudge him a move at this stage of his career in order to play regular 1st team football.

 

If it means moving him on and bringing someone else in to compete for a starting berth, he would leave with my best wishes.

[dylanlegend]

1 hour ago, sdb said:

You'd think Ulloa had had a nightmare 2 years with us reading most of this. 

 

Season 1 we'd have been relegated without him

 

season 2 I'm not sure we'd have won the Premier League without his vital goals (debatable but he was generally excellent when called upon, scoring some big goals) 

I don't think anyone is saying that, he's been great for us and will go down as a legend. But if reports are true he wants to be a starter. He will probably also want a pay increase.

 

I would prefer paying Slimani £55k a week than Ulloa £55k a week I just think it would be better value.

 

Leo has scored some important goals for us but to be fair that's his job, I think we will miss his aerial ability at the back more than anything.

 

And a Vardy - Slimani partnership would be pretty sexy

 

[hornyhollthefox123]

19 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

I'm just saying going forward the money we spent on Ulloa is irrelevant as to where we go from here.

 

Whether it was £8m, a free or £30m, that money has gone and shouldn't be a factor in what he is worth now. I like Ulloa, he has his limitations but has been a good servant to the club and a great buy. Where would we be without his goals in the first season and he stepped up to the plate at the end of last season, that penalty against West Ham and the brace against Swansea were critical for us.

 

Going forward though I think £10m for a 30 year old fourth choice striker is great business and that deal should be done and and get an upgrade, IMO it's a no brainer.

 

 

 

 

How is that so? So you're saying as soon as we sign a player for £10m or £20m that it's then irrelevant as it's been spent?

 

The club is still run as a business and any player's fee plus wages over a contract will be added up such that a player costs us x amount in total.. We're never going to not consider what we bought a player for as it makes no sense whatsoever.. And even though Ulloa has just turned 30 he has had two good solid years in the premier league and based on evidence of those two seasons he would score 12-18 goals if starting most weeks. If anything his value has gone up. I wouldn't consider selling him for less than £15m or so..

 

I still just think he's a good option as some games he'll be very much needed and other perhaps not, but still the point remains that given he is happy ish as a squad player he's reliable and a good option for us! If we guarantee that any replacement for Ulloa would start every game then i could understand completely, but from what i've seen then Slimani would be competing with Musa, Vardy and Okazaki and definitely wouldn't be guaranteed to. 

 

Would rather put that £20m contribution towards a RB or centre mid who would 100% start for us and give us something extra!

 

 

[Gerard]

7 minutes ago, hornyhollthefox123 said:

 

 

How is that so? So you're saying as soon as we sign a player for £10m or £20m that it's then irrelevant as it's been spent?

 

The club is still run as a business and any player's fee plus wages over a contract will be added up such that a player costs us x amount in total.. We're never going to not consider what we bought a player for as it makes no sense whatsoever.. And even though Ulloa has just turned 30 he has had two good solid years in the premier league and based on evidence of those two seasons he would score 12-18 goals if starting most weeks. If anything his value has gone up. I wouldn't consider selling him for less than £15m or so..

 

I still just think he's a good option as some games he'll be very much needed and other perhaps not, but still the point remains that given he is happy ish as a squad player he's reliable and a good option for us! If we guarantee that any replacement for Ulloa would start every game then i could understand completely, but from what i've seen then Slimani would be competing with Musa, Vardy and Okazaki and definitely wouldn't be guaranteed to. 

 

Would rather put that £20m contribution towards a RB or centre mid who would 100% start for us and give us something extra!

 

 

 

Pretty much yes, what our players cost us in the past has little relevance in what they are worth now.

 

No one is saying selling Kante for £32m is great business as we only paid £5.8m for him a year a go. Likewise if we got a fee of £1m for Inler that's still great business despite his fee being not too far from Kante's a year a go as well.

[SheppyFox]

1 hour ago, Paddy. said:

No-one else a bit put off by the fact that he refused to train for his current club?

 

Can you imagine the reaction on here (and rightly so) if say Mahrez refused to turn up at Belvoir Drive because he wanted a move? 

 

Never an excuse for that IMHO

 

 

 

Yep I'm hoping we don't sign him if this is true, he obviously has an attitude problem.

[foxy boxing]

he's a real slim(ani) shady?

[Guest the fox]

1 hour ago, Paddy. said:

No-one else a bit put off by the fact that he refused to train for his current club?

 

Can you imagine the reaction on here (and rightly so) if say Mahrez refused to turn up at Belvoir Drive because he wanted a move? 

 

Never an excuse for that IMHO

 

 

 

not at all. as a algerian i know that slimani is a very humble dude with good work ethics. never started problems in his older teams or the national team as far as i can remember

and the thing is the sporting president promised him a transfer for almost two year. but every time an offer comes he refuses to release him. he was promised by the club to let him leave if a good club came for him. he have offers so you and i can understand why he is mad

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Slimani would be an upgrade to Ulloa. Would be all over this if it happened. Sell Leo for £12-15m & offer £15m for Slimani if he wants to leave so badly I would imagine sporting would cash in.

Sporting Lisbon want to keep him according to their supporters. They've offered him a better contract but he wants to come to England.

[Jon the Hat]

You could argue that past transfer fees are all sunk cost, but that is not how they are accounted for in the books of the club, which is important for the financials.  The transfer fee is amortised over the length of the contract, so if £10m on a 4 year contract they would book £2.5M a year as cost, plus wages etc of course.  So from that point of view, if you sold him with 2 years left, you don't have to expense the £5m remaining, you would write that off against the sale, then book any amount over his book value as profit on sale.  Could be important if we are tight for wages etc.

[TJB-fox]

I'll be honest, I don't really care either way if we keep Ulloa+don't sign Slimani or sell Ulloa+sign Slimani.

I just want it done and sorted out and I think Leo deserves for it to not drag on

[sdb]

Also amazed we're after a player who refuses to train. Not in our DNA at all. I hope it wasn't Walsh only that insisted we look at player character as well as ability. 

[hornyhollthefox123]

21 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

Pretty much yes, what our players cost us in the past has little relevance in what they are worth now.

 

No one is saying selling Kante for £32m is great business as we only paid £5.8m for him a year a go. Likewise if we got a fee of £1m for Inler that's still great business despite his fee being not too far from Kante's a year a go as well.

 

 

Fair enough. Don't think the club will ever look at it like that though. 

 

That's a bit of a Harry Redknapp way of thinking just ignoring transfer fees paid out!

[Guest]

The argument is that Ulloa's purchase fee is already done so therefore irrelevant.

[FireFox]

2 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

Buy Slimani for £20m and sell Ulloa for £10m

Sell Slimani for £10m in two years

 

Net cost is zero and we have a 28 year old Slimani for two years instead of a 30 year old Ulloa.

So in 2 years time...

 

Buy So-and-so for 6m. Sell Slimani for 10m.

Sell So-and-so for 1m a year later after he flops.

 

Net profit of 5m. And we're down a striker because we didn't replace the flop, but at least we don't have a 30yo Slimani.

[yorkie1999]

we're buying a player to do a job for us, not to make/lose money on, what he costs is irrelevant. Money in football is irrelevant.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

2 hours ago, hornyhollthefox123 said:

 

Yeah Leo Ulloa that clumsy terrible player who was our leading scorer first season back and who had the best conversion rate of any striker in the whole premier league last year who can also hold the ball up and scored some vital goals last year for us. Let alone the fact he's the best player we have in both boxes defending and attacking set pieces and crosses.

 

But yeah he falls over all the time and we should ship him out clearly for some guy who 80% of people haven't ever seen.. And somebody tell me how we would keep Slimani, Vardy, Musa and Okazaki happy.. All would expect to start!

 

Not saying Slimani isn't capable or a good player but the Ulloa criticism is so so tedious. I've said it before but i honestly don't think people understand football if you can't even vaguely see what Ulloa does for us. 

This.