Conversation with a Man U supporter

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

LEt's be honest, we have no chance of being top 4 again next season. I'd take 7th/8th right now, especially if we lose the big 2/3. 

 

Why though? Granted, if we lose 2 or 3 out of Vardy/Kante/Mahrez and their replacements don't hit the ground running, it'll be very difficult but I wouldn't rule us out if we keep Ranieri and the bulk of the defense and midfield.

 

Team by team:

 

Arsenal... always bottle it. Without fail.

Chelsea... we have no idea how they'll start the season. Conte might be the right man, but he has a lot of work to do to get his players working their hardest. If he isn't the right fit, we saw last season how quickly the team throw in the towel when unsettled.

Man City... a strong team but key players susceptible to injury. Pep might be as good as everyone's anticipating, he also might need a fair bit of trial and error adjusting to our league.

Spurs... can't see them doing better than last season. Even if it comes down to the wire, they showed massive mental fragility

Man United... although Mourinho has a great track record in first seasons with new teams, there is a lot of mediocrity in that squad. Needs major work.

Liverpool... Klopp needs a lot of strengthening to that squad. I also am not sure he learns from his mistakes too well. Think they will make a stronger push for the top 4 this season but don't think they'll make it.

Southampton... massive blow them losing Koeman. They'll probably surprise everyone again and finish 6-7 though

West Ham... good but not that good. 7-8 I reckon

Everton... Koeman a big plus, will start to actually coach a bit of defense into that squad. But not strong enough for top 4 imo

 

 

There is no place I would "take" now as it would take a miraculously shit season for us to be relegated, and I think we'll surprise people again this season.

Worst comes to the worst and Vardy/Mahrez/Kante leave, we'll still have a brilliant defense, Drinky, Albrighton, Gray, Kingy, new signings (some of which are bound to pay off) - whoever is attacking is still going to get good supply and plenty of chances and we only buy hard-working players who fit into our team ethic. It's a great blueprint. Can't wait for next season

[El bastardo]

Spurs didn't show massive mental fragility, we were ****ed, we ran out of legs, which is why we kicked the **** out of chelscum.  2nd or 3rd it didn't matter. It wasn't 1st. Reading into those last few results for us is dangerous for anyone else in the league. To say we won't get any better is madness, we are the youngest sqaud by a mile, how would we not improve, id say fair enough if it was a team of 30 year olds. We'll be even better than last year, we blew most aside last year, and unlike you lot, we wont lose any either, only add. 

[sdb]

Why though? Granted, if we lose 2 or 3 out of Vardy/Kante/Mahrez and their replacements don't hit the ground running, it'll be very difficult but I wouldn't rule us out if we keep Ranieri and the bulk of the defense and midfield.

 

Team by team:

 

Arsenal... always bottle it. Without fail.

Chelsea... we have no idea how they'll start the season. Conte might be the right man, but he has a lot of work to do to get his players working their hardest. If he isn't the right fit, we saw last season how quickly the team throw in the towel when unsettled.

Man City... a strong team but key players susceptible to injury. Pep might be as good as everyone's anticipating, he also might need a fair bit of trial and error adjusting to our league.

Spurs... can't see them doing better than last season. Even if it comes down to the wire, they showed massive mental fragility

Man United... although Mourinho has a great track record in first seasons with new teams, there is a lot of mediocrity in that squad. Needs major work.

Liverpool... Klopp needs a lot of strengthening to that squad. I also am not sure he learns from his mistakes too well. Think they will make a stronger push for the top 4 this season but don't think they'll make it.

Southampton... massive blow them losing Koeman. They'll probably surprise everyone again and finish 6-7 though

West Ham... good but not that good. 7-8 I reckon

Everton... Koeman a big plus, will start to actually coach a bit of defense into that squad. But not strong enough for top 4 imo

 

 

There is no place I would "take" now as it would take a miraculously shit season for us to be relegated, and I think we'll surprise people again this season.

Worst comes to the worst and Vardy/Mahrez/Kante leave, we'll still have a brilliant defense, Drinky, Albrighton, Gray, Kingy, new signings (some of which are bound to pay off) - whoever is attacking is still going to get good supply and plenty of chances and we only buy hard-working players who fit into our team ethic. It's a great blueprint. Can't wait for next season

 

 

Arsenal - always bottle it yes, but always finish top 4

Chelsea - Top 4 squad (at least), much to prove, tactically astute manager (which is vital, as we've seen over the last 2 years)

Man City - worlds best manager and guaranteed top 4 squad

Spurs - joint 2nd last season, young squad likely to improve

Man Utd - Mourinho has the job he's always wanted. Always has a great first season.

Liverpool - started to look a real side under Klopp

Everton - loads of money, top new manager, already an excellent XI before they start adding

West Ham - a pretty outstanding squad already and they seem desperate to buy anyone they can

 

I'd love to be wrong but if we finish above 3 of those teams i'd be gobsmacked, let alone 5 (or more) of them. If Kante were to stay (which he clearly won't) then i'd say maybe. Can't see it otherwise, even after what we saw last year!

[nativefox]

Spurs didn't show massive mental fragility, we were ****ed, we ran out of legs, which is why we kicked the **** out of chelscum.  2nd or 3rd it didn't matter. It wasn't 1st. Reading into those last few results for us is dangerous for anyone else in the league. To say we won't get any better is madness, we are the youngest sqaud by a mile, how would we not improve, id say fair enough if it was a team of 30 year olds. We'll be even better than last year, we blew most aside last year, and unlike you lot, we wont lose any either, only add.

Who's been feeding the trolls?

[Grantham Fox]

We've been the best team in the country since April last year. People still don't get it.

This! My mates looked at me gone out when I said we've been the best team, not only for this season but 2/3 months of last season too.

Anyways I've said loads of times if we keep this crop of players with a few quality additions, we can be contenders for European places from now on.

[WengersWingMan]

I had a similar conversation with an Arsenal supporter who started off by saying that they didn't want Vardy because he wouldn't suit their style and then dismissed any possibility of us being in contention next season .

When I suggested that if the same team that had just won the league by 10 points started the first game of next season ,we would be in the top three at least ,his response was 'well ,you won't keep your best players'

Not only was there the usual big club condescension ,but e genuine resentment that we had gate crashed their monopoly and wish for us to be put in our place .

 

You mean like Chelsea were at least top 3 at least this season, or United were top 3 at least after Fergie left? Realistically to get top 4 and/or have a title challenge you need:

 

1. To keep your best players

2. To hope your best players don't get injured, you were fortunate with injuries last season but it can't go on forever

3. To not be tired after playing midweek CL games (you will be but you actually have quite easy home games after)

4. For players to maintain their form

5. To perform as well when teams realise you're a huge counter attacking threat and sit deeper themselves.

 

Look at Liverpool who finished 2nd 3 times in the space of a decade but each season after dropped back to mid-table level. 

[The Fox Covert]

Too many supporters of the so-called Big 4 assume that this season was a blip and normal service will be resumed next season. This ignores the lessons of history, that the top of the league has usually been in a constant state of flux. Leeds, regular top 4 at the turn of the century, been in the Championship/League 1 for years, unlikely to return to the top division very soon. Manchester United, relegated just six seasons after winning the European Cup. And don't even mention our friends from the Trent.

The real blip is that the top 4 seems to have been set in stone for so long.

I look forward to less predictability and more competition at the top next season. We keep our best players, strengthen the squad and aim for the top again. Tottenham, maybe their young players will have learned a lot from this season and will be stronger next (I hope not!). Liverpool, inconsistent this season but with the right additions this summer may be stronger. West Ham, maybe they could emerge as serious challengers. Quite possibly, one or more of Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester City and United may make a few bad decisions and in a few seasons they will be struggling in the Championship.

[Les-TA-Jon]

All of our best players are vulnerable to be poached anytime between now and when the window shuts. Likewise for any targets.

 

I don't think any of us can say what we could or couldn't achieve this coming season, until the dust settles on the transfer window. 

 

I hate that it doesn't close the week before the season starts. 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Supporters of the usual top five or six, must have hated being humiliated by us last season. They are still bitter and envious, for the most part, and are sad little people.

 

We have achieved being Premier League Champions, on a shoe string, compared to them, and is something that may never happen again, ever. That is something that will never be taken away from us. Pride never dies. 

[foxes21]

everyone is writing us off again

good news for us.

[Bunyip]

Spurs didn't show massive mental fragility, we were ****ed, we ran out of legs, which is why we kicked the **** out of chelscum.  2nd or 3rd it didn't matter. It wasn't 1st. Reading into those last few results for us is dangerous for anyone else in the league. To say we won't get any better is madness, we are the youngest sqaud by a mile, how would we not improve, id say fair enough if it was a team of 30 year olds. We'll be even better than last year, we blew most aside last year, and unlike you lot, we wont lose any either, only add. 

 

Have you always had problems expressing yourself  or are you on your fifth can of Special Brew ? 

[Wilson_6]

I had a fun conversation with a born within 110 miles of Manchester Man U season ticket holder last night about next season.

 

Went along the lines of you lot (meaning LC) will struggle next season.

Why?

Well because you will, you'll be battling relegation again?

So you think we will finish below Man U?

For sure, guaranteed.

Even though we finished 15 points above Man U this season?

Yeh, that was a fluke.

So you think Man U will manage the top 4 next season.

Of course, we have Mourinho.

And what difference does that make?

He'll have lots of money to spend.

So Van Gaal didn't? What happened with his £235mn?

Mourinho wins things?

Like at Chelsea last season?

 

Pause

 

So if Man U makes the top 4 who else will be there?

The usual teams plus Liverpool.

So that makes 5?

No, Liverpool for the top 4.

So we are looking at Chelsea, Man C, Liverpool and Man U as top 4?

That's about it.

What about Arsenal - never fail to get the top 4 and runners up last season?

No, they'll get 5th.

Don't you think the league is getting more competitive? How about LC, West Ham, Spurs, Southampton, Arsenal maybe even Stoke having a go? Its not like the good old days when teams would roll over for the likes of Man U.

It depends if they keep their top players but we (Man U) and Chelsea with hungry new managers will be looking to buy most of those.

I ended the conversation with I think it could be a 10 team EPL chase this season rather than a return to normal service and when was the last time 3 teams have won the Championship after Man U?

 

I am just amazed at the expectation of simply buying success is so strong with the big team away supporters. I put it down to its hard being a Man U supporter at the moment. Success it seems can bring unhappiness.

 

Mate why are you surprised. Man united fans a Morons. I have conversations like this most days. 

[kingcarr21]

Spurs didn't show massive mental fragility, we were ****ed, we ran out of legs, which is why we kicked the **** out of chelscum.  2nd or 3rd it didn't matter. It wasn't 1st. Reading into those last few results for us is dangerous for anyone else in the league. To say we won't get any better is madness, we are the youngest sqaud by a mile, how would we not improve, id say fair enough if it was a team of 30 year olds. We'll be even better than last year, we blew most aside last year, and unlike you nlot, we wont lose any either, only add. 

There is a reason why you wont lose any players  Of course you showed mental fragility. You quite simply couldn't handle the pressure once you started to drop points and the thought of Arsenal overtaking you was becoming more of a reality.

 

Regardless of whether we lose players or not. The fact is our name is on the trophy and will be forever. We absolutely bossed the league and made everyone look stupid

[MANFACE]

Erm...........

 

We will win the league again.

 

And hopefully the FA cup.

 

I can see us getting to the finals of the champions league. If we do, we will win that too.

[El bastardo]

Regardless of whether we lose players or not. The fact is our name is on the trophy and will be forever. We absolutely bossed the league and made everyone look stupid

 

Don't disagree, will not hear me taking away from your achievements last season. Whether i agree you are capable of doing it again we will wait and see. 

[kingcarr21]

Don't disagree, will not hear me taking away from your achievements last season. Whether i agree you are capable of doing it again we will wait and see. 

Could we do it again? Possibly

 

Do I think we will do it again? I'm afraid not. Last season was so special. I think its bucked everyone else's ideas up. Also we have European football to contend with. Tbh as long as we aren't in a relegation battle I am quite happy to just enjoy the season and I am not really bothered where we finish. Would love a safe prem campaign so we could focus on the champs league and give it a real good go.  

 

Just thinking about champs league makes me so happy cant wait for the new season.

 

Realistically where do you think you will finish?

[The Year Of The Fox]

LEt's be honest, we have no chance of being top 4 again next season. I'd take 7th/8th right now, especially if we lose the big 2/3.

I think that's the opinion of most level headed city fans.

Arsenal will always be there or thereabouts

Spurs should improve

Chelsea couldn't do much worse than last season

Jose is a great signing for United

As is Pep at Citeh

Then you've got West Ham and Liverpool too.

It's a bit naive to think we'll be anywhere near the top 4 next season

[biggs]

I could see us doing it again next season.

 

I believe many of the so called big teams will continue to play the same style that gave them top 4 the past number of years. Leicester found a better way and dominated with a style that many teams and their fans looked at as inefficient, and poor. To be honest, I don't think they understood our style and wrote it off as crap football. To us it was fast, entertaining and solid.......to the neutral it was extremely entertaining but to the 'big' clubs fans it was rubbish. Leicester will be written off once again, questioned for our style yet our players will be the focus in the transfer window.

 

This team is run well and players going out will be replaced with like players coming in. Nope we won't disappear, the big teams will be in for another battle next year from the champions Leicester.

[El bastardo]

Honestly fella, I have no idea. You look at Chelsea last year, and then the season before that even with Maureen, no-one can ever confidently say how they will truly do. I certainly expect us to be cementing top four every year now, whether we do or not is an entirely different matter entirely.

 

I actually think more pressure on these supposed usual suspects, city, utd, goons, Liverpool etc, everyone expects them to do better because they were not great last year. Im not convinced they necessarily will be great this year, city, utd and chels have to rebuild again, this takes a bit of pressure off the likes of us and Leicester.

 

It's exciting though, the cl for the first time is an event in itself after watching the same teams in it every year. I'm not as excited this time for cl, simply because once you've done it, unless you are barca, madrid or bayern, what chance really do we have of winning it. League all day long for me, that's where the excitement is really at. I will only die a happy man when I've seen us win the league. 

[El bastardo]

I will add, the next few years, not just next year is what I'm excited for. The new stadium and everything around it really will be a game changer for us. There will be nothing quite like it in this country. 

[FireFox]

I think that's the opinion of most level headed city fans.

Arsenal will always be there or thereabouts

Spurs should improve

Chelsea couldn't do much worse than last season

Jose is a great signing for United

As is Pep at Citeh

Then you've got West Ham and Liverpool too.

It's a bit naive to think we'll be anywhere near the top 4 next season

"Spurs should improve"

And we shouldnt?!

Our own fans still think we won the league on some fluke and not by 10 points.

[Bazly]

"Spurs should improve"

And we shouldnt?!

Our own fans still think we won the league on some fluke and not by 10 points.

 

 

I'm looking forward to next season.

 

The biggest failing for LC, apparently, last season was there wasn't anyone in the team who had done it before so they would fall over at some point. Well there are a few of those now and unlike every other team, LC never had a bad spell the entire season. I'm looking forward to seeing how the team performs in Europe and the EPL and the FA Cup and the Community Shield. Lots of things to play for. One thing is for sure, the pundits will be waiting for a fall, just like the were all last season. Lets hope they are pleasantly disappointed again.

 

81 points last season. CR has a target of 82 for the upcoming season, after we get to 40 first of course. I think with increased competitiveness across many more teams, then 82pts should be enough.

[Foxxed]

Bitter rivals in refusing to believe we can challenge again shocker.

 

I personally hope Eva Carneiro gets a job and Manchester United and spends each match giving Mourinho a dead-eyed stare.

[aussie-fox]

If we keep all our sqaud together and people are still happy to finish 7th seriously don't get how amazing this team is atm. Keep the boys together and we WILL be playing champions league football in 17/18.