USA President - time for a new poll

[Guest MattP]

51 minutes ago, The Railway Man said:

Starting to come around to the idea of wanting Trump to win, when you see the way the establishment and career politicians are behaving over here over Brexit I can only think another kick in the balls to them is what they need and deserve.

It will be shit short term but long term might be for the best if it finally makes them wake up and start addressing the concerns of people.

I'd certainly enjoy the outrage! from the usual suspects, I just can't for the life of me support someone who has such a blaise view towards Nato, probably the most important international organisation on the planet.

 

It's a hell of an effort for Trump to even still be in this though, he's had to battle the media, the World famous pop stars bringing Clinton out, World reknown actors and the billions and billions pumped in by the banks and Wall Street, to still be in with a fighting chance deserves some praise.

[Finnegan]

I assume a presidential nominee can still be done for slander?

 

If he does win, he's not going to have many friends in the FBI!

[Guest]

Polls are very rarely accurate.

 

What strikes me about this election and it has some similarities for the UK election. There are a lot of media sources condemning trump and supporting Clinton. Just like what was happening with Milliband and Cameron. Polls and public opinion (from the media)  was 'we don't want tories' yet they went and won.

 

Public opinion from this media is 'we don't want trump to win' which to me makes me very skeptical and think he will actually win.

 

Regardless of what people think of Trump, he is a winner either way. He will either become president or he will make an absolute fortune and be in the limelight for the next 4 years through books, media, TV shows and also commenting on everything Clinton does wrong.

 

 

[Guest]

I've also heard Clinton is one of the lizard people anyway

[leicsmac]

Jesus, are people really still advocating the buzzsawing of women and minority rights won over the last few decades that may well result in the event of a Trump presidency just so we can "stick it to the establishment" or for the sake of just changing things up?

 

Is that really acceptable collateral damage to rearrange things?

[SMX11]

Is it actually possible to review 650k emails in a week? Seems like he has had political pressure to make this statement to save HRC.

[Guest MattP]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Jesus, are people really still advocating the buzzsawing of women and minority rights won over the last few decades that may well result in the event of a Trump presidency just so we can "stick it to the establishment" or for the sake of just changing things up?

 

Is that really acceptable collateral damage to rearrange things?

I don't think most people are as paranoid as you about the possible of that but if people are prepared to do that I hope it makes the establishent actually look at themselves and realise just how appalling they are and they start to address the issues that are the cause of why people want to vote for Donald Trump.

 

But they won't, we both know that, they'll just convince themselves those people are thick, uneduacted and carry on walking around like they are morally superior whilst sneering at everybody else.

[davieG]

16 minutes ago, SMX11 said:

Is it actually possible to review 650k emails in a week? Seems like he has had political pressure to make this statement to save HRC.

I'd imagine they'll be reviewing millions of emails every day as they'll be scanning for key words or phrases so 650k in a week shouldn't be a problem.

[leicsmac]

14 minutes ago, MattP said:

I don't think most people are as paranoid as you about the possible of that but if people are prepared to do that I hope it makes the establishent actually look at themselves and realise just how appalling they are and they start to address the issues that are the cause of why people want to vote for Donald Trump.

 

But they won't, we both know that, they'll just convince themselves those people are thick, uneduacted and carry on walking around like they are morally superior whilst sneering at everybody else.

This election should serve as a wake up call, to be sure. The political system does need a shake up.

 

That being said, to be brutally honest I'm reasonably sure the majority of the people wanting a Trump presidency to "clean the stables", as honourable as that idea sounds, are also the ones that would stand to suffer least from his term and the consequences it would bring. So I don't buy that it is entirely altruistic.

 

Re paranoia; you may well be right, but I've laid out rather simply how such a thing could happen regarding the Supreme Court/Congress et al on here, and I've yet to be reassured with good reasoning that the vaunted system of checks and balances would hold in this case, not when people who want to erase those rights hold power in all the right places. But I really do hope that I'm mistaken if Trump does win on Tuesday.

[leicsmac]

And Trump can no longer use Twitter, under orders from his own campaign. People have had a field day with that.

[Finnegan]

I find the idea that a billionaire property / business mogul standing for one of the two major parties in his country's political system isn't part of "the establishment" to be frankly hilarious.

 

Surely, if you're some Bilderberg conspiracy nut then Trump is even more "establishment" than your average career politician (which I appreciate Clinton isn't)?

 

Just because he's taken the Farage line of spewing populist garbage to win votes, it doesn't exactly make him some pioneering revolutionary.

[Merging Cultures]

Is it actually possible to review 650k emails in a week? Seems like he has had political pressure to make this statement to save HRC.

Yes.

1. Most would have been Weiner's dick pics, the 650k weren't all Hillary emails. In fact, I'd imagine a small percentage were.
2. Some of the one's that were sent from/to by Hillary, or forwarded by someone else, would have been duplicates of the 30k they read one by one.
3. Of the remainder, they would have used more in depth data mining tools to scan for relevant information.
4. The handful that maybe could have been interesting, I am sure they could easily read them.

They didn't print them off and read them.

[Merging Cultures]

I find the idea that a billionaire property / business mogul standing for one of the two major parties in his country's political system isn't part of "the establishment" to be frankly hilarious.

 

Surely, if you're some Bilderberg conspiracy nut then Trump is even more "establishment" than your average career politician (which I appreciate Clinton isn't)?

 

Just because he's taken the Farage line of spewing populist garbage to win votes, it doesn't exactly make him some pioneering revolutionary.

Yeah but remember, it has been difficult for him. He only had a small loan from his dad, and he has been bankrupt so many times that he can't afford to pay taxes.

[Guest MattP]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

I find the idea that a billionaire property / business mogul standing for one of the two major parties in his country's political system isn't part of "the establishment" to be frankly hilarious.

Pretty sure they don't think that, I just don't think they care because he is touching on and challenging things that the establishment simply won't talk about, in the same way Nigel did.

[Finnegan]

11 minutes ago, MattP said:

Pretty sure they don't think that, I just don't think they care because he is touching on and challenging things that the establishment simply won't talk about, in the same way Nigel did.

 

But every populist does that. It's not difficult.

 

WE SHOULD PAY LESS TAXES

THERE SHOULD BE MORE JOBS FOR PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE HERE

LESS FREE MONEY FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T VOTE

MORE MONEY FOR DEFENCE (BECAUSE TERROR ARGH)

etc.

 

Vote Finnegan. Shouting stuff but not having any credible solutions since 2016. Oh, but also I can't pass any bills or make any changes because most of my own Senate think I'm a tool so, while I'm at it, FREE CHOCOLATE AND BEER FOR EVERYONE \o/

[leicsmac]

He's definitely a populist, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he'd be stuck regarding changes. Or at least the folk within the party behind him, anyway. They'll consider him a useful idiot, pass whatever socially conservative legislation he thinks of (or arrives via public challenge) and block him on the other stuff.

[foxy boxing]

should the trump of even of been allowed to stand for president, he has never been a senator or congressman and has no political experience. he is just a billionaire businessman who is very successful at what he does but does that justify him being able to run for the presidency. i know a lot of Americans are unhappy with the establishment but will a man with so much inexperience of government and how it works really be able to make a difference.

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

should the trump of even of been allowed to stand for president, he has never been a senator or congressman and has no political experience. he is just a billionaire businessman who is very successful at what he does but does that justify him being able to run for the presidency. i know a lot of Americans are unhappy with the establishment but will a man with so much inexperience of government and how it works really be able to make a difference.

 

Reagan wasn't exactly political elite when he did a stint as one of the more senior governors before taking the big job.

[ajthefox]

 

7 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

should the trump of even of been allowed to stand for president, he has never been a senator or congressman and has no political experience. he is just a billionaire businessman who is very successful at what he does but does that justify him being able to run for the presidency. i know a lot of Americans are unhappy with the establishment but will a man with so much inexperience of government and how it works really be able to make a difference.

Debatable that, given how many bankruptcies he's declared.

[Guest MattP]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

But every populist does that. It's not difficult.

 

WE SHOULD PAY LESS TAXES

THERE SHOULD BE MORE JOBS FOR PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE HERE

LESS FREE MONEY FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T VOTE

MORE MONEY FOR DEFENCE (BECAUSE TERROR ARGH)

etc.

 

Vote Finnegan. Shouting stuff but not having any credible solutions since 2016. Oh, but also I can't pass any bills or make any changes because most of my own Senate think I'm a tool so, while I'm at it, FREE CHOCOLATE AND BEER FOR EVERYONE \o/

To be fair to Farage, the 2015 UKIP manifesto was fully costed and was quite clear about the cuts to public services they would have implemented.

You got it with regards to the empty platitudes and promises though, now you just need to put it on a headstone

 

[Finnegan]

14 minutes ago, MattP said:

To be fair to Farage, the 2015 UKIP manifesto was fully costed and was quite clear about the cuts to public services they would have implemented.

You got it with regards to the empty platitudes and promises though, now you just need to put it on a headstone

 

 

Do you reckon that's still standing?

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Do you reckon that's still standing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdStone

 

Demolished unfortunately Certainly should have gone to a museum. (I presume you mean the stone and not Ed)

Quote

 

As of 15 May 2015 the EdStone was allegedly in storage inside a garage in South London.^[16] The party reportedly had two plans for its break-up and destruction: Throw the rubble away, or sell Berlin Wall-like chunks to party members to raise money. "There are claims it has been destroyed", The Guardian reported in early June 2015, "but even Miliband's close advisers cannot confirm its fate."^[7] In January 2016 two party officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Bloomberg News that the stone had been destroyed in the weeks following 7 May 2015, putting an end to eight months of speculation about its whereabouts.^[17][18]

 

 

[Finnegan]

I find the idea that it may have been standing longer than he was to be oddly satisfying.

[purpleronnie]

It's not even in doubt, Clinton to win, said it all along haven't I mattp?

 

Now go any put your money on trump to win and thank me later.

[Bellend Sebastian]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

But every populist does that. It's not difficult.

 

WE SHOULD PAY LESS TAXES

THERE SHOULD BE MORE JOBS FOR PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE HERE

LESS FREE MONEY FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T VOTE

MORE MONEY FOR DEFENCE (BECAUSE TERROR ARGH)

etc.

 

Vote Finnegan. Shouting stuff but not having any credible solutions since 2016. Oh, but also I can't pass any bills or make any changes because most of my own Senate think I'm a tool so, while I'm at it, FREE CHOCOLATE AND BEER FOR EVERYONE \o/

Christ Finners, you're rubbish at this.

 

You've not even said you'll 'get the best people in' to sort out anything you're not sure about.  I think it's quite endearing when Trump does this, as if you might think that if he wasn't making it clear, he'd just get in a load of, I dunno, lazy Mexicans or something to do a bodge job.

 

How do I go about getting my hands on this free chocolate of which you speak?