USA President - time for a new poll

[Smudge]

I voted yesterday, my first time in Massachusetts. Since it was an early vote we went to the Town Offices, which is a converted country house and they were using the hallway as a voting room.

I was given a ballot paper and envelope. After I filled it in and placed it in the envelope, I had to write my name and address on the envelope, which I thought quite bizarre, isn't it supposed to be anonymous? Anyway I was looking to post my vote into some kind of ballot box but nothing like that was there.  So I handed it to a clerk who placed it in and open basket.

If this goes on elsewhere I can see how elections in small towns can get rigged. It was never like this in Virginia and maybe on polling day at the main facilities it will be different.

[ithuriel]

34 minutes ago, Smudge said:

I voted yesterday, my first time in Massachusetts. Since it was an early vote we went to the Town Offices, which is a converted country house and they were using the hallway as a voting room.

I was given a ballot paper and envelope. After I filled it in and placed it in the envelope, I had to write my name and address on the envelope, which I thought quite bizarre, isn't it supposed to be anonymous? Anyway I was looking to post my vote into some kind of ballot box but nothing like that was there.  So I handed it to a clerk who placed it in and open basket.

If this goes on elsewhere I can see how elections in small towns can get rigged. It was never like this in Virginia and maybe on polling day at the main facilities it will be different.

That all sounds really dodgy, a system like that is open to tampering.

 

[Nick]

40 minutes ago, Smudge said:

I voted yesterday, my first time in Massachusetts. Since it was an early vote we went to the Town Offices, which is a converted country house and they were using the hallway as a voting room.

I was given a ballot paper and envelope. After I filled it in and placed it in the envelope, I had to write my name and address on the envelope, which I thought quite bizarre, isn't it supposed to be anonymous? Anyway I was looking to post my vote into some kind of ballot box but nothing like that was there.  So I handed it to a clerk who placed it in and open basket.

If this goes on elsewhere I can see how elections in small towns can get rigged. It was never like this in Virginia and maybe on polling day at the main facilities it will be different.

 

That needs reporting...

[Guest MattP]

43 minutes ago, Smudge said:

I voted yesterday, my first time in Massachusetts. Since it was an early vote we went to the Town Offices, which is a converted country house and they were using the hallway as a voting room.

I was given a ballot paper and envelope. After I filled it in and placed it in the envelope, I had to write my name and address on the envelope, which I thought quite bizarre, isn't it supposed to be anonymous? Anyway I was looking to post my vote into some kind of ballot box but nothing like that was there.  So I handed it to a clerk who placed it in and open basket.

If this goes on elsewhere I can see how elections in small towns can get rigged. It was never like this in Virginia and maybe on polling day at the main facilities it will be different.

This sort of thing appears to very widepsread across the country.

 

No wonder it ends up sometimes in the courts with allegations of rigging.

[Smudge]

7 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

That all sounds really dodgy, a system like that is open to tampering.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

That needs reporting...

 

 

1 minute ago, MattP said:

This sort of thing appears to very widepsread across the country.

 

No wonder it ends up sometimes in the courts with allegations of rigging.

I agree and that's why I mentioned it. Even though we live in the shadow of Boston, the town is very old, by US standards and set in their ways. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easton,_Massachusetts

[Detroit Blues]

Nothing like that happens where I live. Everything is completely anonymous, and the process is pretty transparent. 

 

You are assigned a polling place based on your residential address (it's usually a school, church, etc.) After confirming your identity you are handed a paper ballot and folder to keep it covered up. You walk over to an area with some divided workstations to give you privacy as you vote:

 

 

The ballot is almost like a scantron exam if you have those in England. 

 

 

You feed the ballot through the folder and into the machine. The machine electronically tallies the ballots and faxes the results over. The paper ballots are then held onto in order to verify the accuracy and legitimacy of the electronic records. Nothing on your ballot has any reference to your identity. Absentee ballots and early voting may be different. 

 

Additionally, people are polled as they exit the polling locations as to who they voted for. Through statistical analysis you can tell if any sort of tampering goes on. 

 

Obviously different areas have different methods, but everything is taken very seriously. Unlike what Trump says, our elections are free and fair. Nobody votes without confirming their identity. Nobody votes twice. Dead people rarely vote . 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

The Poll Master II looks like such an improvement on the Poll Master I

[Smudge]

1 hour ago, Detroit Blues said:

Nothing like that happens where I live. Everything is completely anonymous, and the process is pretty transparent. 

 

You are assigned a polling place based on your residential address (it's usually a school, church, etc.) After confirming your identity you are handed a paper ballot and folder to keep it covered up. You walk over to an area with some divided workstations to give you privacy as you vote:

 

 

The ballot is almost like a scantron exam if you have those in England. 

 

 

You feed the ballot through the folder and into the machine. The machine electronically tallies the ballots and faxes the results over. The paper ballots are then held onto in order to verify the accuracy and legitimacy of the electronic records. Nothing on your ballot has any reference to your identity. Absentee ballots and early voting may be different. 

 

Additionally, people are polled as they exit the polling locations as to who they voted for. Through statistical analysis you can tell if any sort of tampering goes on. 

 

Obviously different areas have different methods, but everything is taken very seriously. Unlike what Trump says, our elections are free and fair. Nobody votes without confirming their identity. Nobody votes twice. Dead people rarely vote . 

That's how it is in Virginia and to be fair they had those at the polling station yesterday, but the fact that I had to sign and address the envelope then give it to someone just didn't seem right.

 

[Detroit Blues]

1 hour ago, Emilio Lestavez said:

The Poll Master II looks like such an improvement on the Poll Master I

It comes with extra freedom.

[Merging Cultures]

My wife mailed her vote in. I am hoping she made a good choice!

[Buce]

13 hours ago, Merging Cultures said:

My wife mailed her vote in. I am hoping she made a good choice!

 

You let her make her own mind up?

 

Isn't it enough that she has the vote?

[Merging Cultures]

56 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

You let her make her own mind up?

 

Isn't it enough that she has the vote?

I did grab her by the pussy though to make up for it.

[leicsmac]

Fivethirtyeight has it 67-33 in favour of Hillary today.

 

Tightening up as we get closer to the big day. Still got a good lead in Penn, though.

[sm1]

On 31/10/2016 at 20:44, The Doctor said:

I didn't say trump was going to use nukes - I said he was reckless and dangerous because of his laissez faire attitude towards WMDs. 

 

We won't know, but that doesn't change the fact that donald trump encouraged Russia to commit cyberwarfare on a former secretary of state. Even if Trump was under misapprehensions as to who carried out the attack, he still encouraged it.

That's my point, we don't know Trump's views over using WMD, as he's never aired them publicly. Everything else is just false information and innuendo. The media have done a good job making mud stick though, as most people i speak to, disilkie Hillary but wouldn't vote for Trump because they believe he will use Nukes. Why, because that's what the media's told them, very few actually bother to get to the truth. Althought USA's foreign policy has always maintained a first strike capability when it comes to nukes, which i don't think will change whoever becomes president.

[The Doctor]

6 minutes ago, sm1 said:

That's my point, we don't know Trump's views over using WMD, as he's never aired them publicly.

Except the part where I said we won't know is on the hackers allegiance -  and we do know full well that trump thought it was Russian and asked Russia to go further.

 

[SMX11]

Pretty sure these 'hackers' will turn out to be disgruntled intelligence staff or similar.

[sm1]

9 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Except the part where I said we won't know is on the hackers allegiance -  and we do know full well that trump thought it was Russian and asked Russia to go further.

 

Again that's my point, we don't know but that hasn't stopped the media pushing the meme that its the Russian government, directed by Putin. Wikileaks have denied this and evidence provided is circumstantial but It's like the nuke story, throw enough mud and hopefully some will stick. Sadly diverting attention from the very serious info on the emails. 

Trump tweeted that Russia, or any country or person who has the deleted emails should hand them to the FBI. Is that asking the Russians to go and hack government servers, I don't think so, but people can make their own minds. The point being that a large proportion of what is being said regarding Trump is miss information directed by partisan, biased media. Regardless of who you want to win, the truth shouldn't suffer.

[The Doctor]

13 minutes ago, sm1 said:

Again that's my point, we don't know but that hasn't stopped the media pushing the meme that its the Russian government, directed by Putin. Wikileaks have denied this and evidence provided is circumstantial but It's like the nuke story, throw enough mud and hopefully some will stick. Sadly diverting attention from the very serious info on the emails. 

Trump tweeted that Russia, or any country or person who has the deleted emails should hand them to the FBI. Is that asking the Russians to go and hack government servers, I don't think so, but people can make their own minds. The point being that a large proportion of what is being said regarding Trump is miss information directed by partisan, biased media. Regardless of who you want to win, the truth shouldn't suffer.

You're harping on about complete irrelevancies. trump asked Russia to release the emails. Whether the hacker was of Russian allegiance is completely and utterly irrelevant, trump thought they were and wanted them to go further in what would amount to an attack by a hostile foreign power on a us citizen.

 

Not talking about the shit he tweets; I'm referring to this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html?_r=0

 

 

 

[Jimothy]

FBI find no criminality in Clinton emails.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37892138

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

FBI find no criminality in Clinton emails.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37892138

*waits for conspiracy theory to appear*

[leicsmac]

39 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

FBI find no criminality in Clinton emails.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37892138

Of course, but I doubt it will sway either side. The Clinton camp will call it justice, the Trump camp will call it conspiracy.

 

Honestly think Tuesday will come down to which camp gets the vote out better.

[ramboacdc]

With the new investigation against Clinton saying nothing happened it's obvious she will win Florida and the election.

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[Jimothy]

10 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Of course, but I doubt it will sway either side. The Clinton camp will call it justice, the Trump camp will call it conspiracy.

 

Honestly think Tuesday will come down to which camp gets the vote out better.

Yep Trump has come out and said she's still guilty and being protected by a rigged system. Because the best way to protect a candidate is to announce to the world you're investigating them  

 

Anyone see the video of Trump laying into Obama for screaming at a Trump supporter who was at a Clinton rally? Someone spliced them together because all Obama did was tell people to respect the guy. It's amazing how much Trump is prepared to tell such blatant lies about anything.

[The Railway Man]

Starting to come around to the idea of wanting Trump to win, when you see the way the establishment and career politicians are behaving over here over Brexit I can only think another kick in the balls to them is what they need and deserve.

It will be shit short term but long term might be for the best if it finally makes them wake up and start addressing the concerns of people.

[Jimothy]

21 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Yep Trump has come out and said she's still guilty and being protected by a rigged system. Because the best way to protect a candidate is to announce to the world you're investigating them  

 

Anyone see the video of Trump laying into Obama for screaming at a Trump supporter who was at a Clinton rally? Someone spliced them together because all Obama did was tell people to respect the guy. It's amazing how much Trump is prepared to tell such blatant lies about anything.