Sooper Steve's shin Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 I've been an advocate of keeping what worked for us last season up to now, but we looked so woefully out of sorts against West Brom (after a pretty shabby game in Copenhagen) that I would hope Claudio and the team are giving tactics some serious thought over the next couple of weeks. It is just not clicking at the moment and nobody is really looking comfortable. Possibly too used to what we had last year, which was a very settled system where everyone knew their role. That has been shaken up a bit with Kante leaving and new arrivals, so I think we should go back to the drawing board and look at what might work with the players we have. I have read a few articles on Chelsea's new 3-4-3 that's really working for them. Maybe it's a shape that can do something for us? Something like: Schmeichel Hernandez - Huth - Morgan Albrighton - Drinkwater - Mendy - Fuchs Mahrez - Slimani - Musa Both Albrighton and Fuchs are intelligent enough to support on the flanks with an eye on defence, dropping to 5-2-3 (even 5-4-1) when we don't have the ball. It's also a much stiffer line of four across the middle than if we have Mahrez and Musa wide of Drinky +1. I have gone with Mendy as I think we have to see what he can bring - apparently a good long range passer, it would be nice to think he could service a pacy front three. Mahrez obviously links well with Slimani, this system would also mean he and Musa have more licence to cut in and attack from further forward. This setup is really working for Hazard and Pedro at Chelsea with Costa down the centre. Back three is slightly creaky on this season's form, but Huth and Morgan did well in a three with Was at the back end of 14/15. As I said, I think they'd get good support from Albrighton and Fuchs. Hernandez gives us the long throw option from the right and I think he is better than he's shown so far. Gray, Shinji, Vardy and possibly Schlupp could be effective subs to shake up the front three, King covers the middle and Amartey/Schlupp probably first reserves on the flanks. Was or Benny would be less exposed coming into a three if needed to cover suspension/injury.
sk3since03 Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 Scmike Simpson Morgan Huth Fuchs Amartey Mendy Drinky Mahrez Gray/Musa Vardy Thats i wana see
AyewJoking Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 i'd go with 5 in midfield and vardy up front. its not like we'll create less chances with only 1 striker compared to the joke we are at the minute. hamer simpson morgan huth fuchs amartey drinkwater king/mendy mahrez gray vardy
Zaid Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 15 minutes ago, Royston. said: i'd go with 5 in midfield and vardy up front. its not like we'll create less chances with only 1 striker compared to the joke we are at the minute. hamer simpson morgan huth fuchs amartey drinkwater king/mendy mahrez gray vardy Because Zieler has done so much wrong since he's come in isn't it.
davieG Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 You can come up with all the formations you want with their perfect matched players but you can't play the same people for every game, the fundamental problem is we don't have sufficient cover in defence or midfield to allow for rotation in order to rest players or to offer variety to keep the opposition guessing.
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 Great analysis @Sooper Steve's shin, like that. I do feel there are other formations that could be looked at, to help us perform better as a side. I also feel there are certain formations and positions which could utilize some of our players more (for instance Musa in a front three, Albrighton at RM). I'd be looking at the formations 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
foxes21 Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 4-4-1-1. Why change our style of play? We've tried that this season and its not worked. We need to go back to how we were playing last season. Fingers crossed Mendy makes the 4-4-1-1 work. Keep the 4-4-1-1, but rotate more for each game to keep players fresh. Ideally we will sign a RB & CM in January, or a CB & CM.
oxtonfox Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 Thinking back to Nigel Pearson and the Great Escape didn't we go three at the back and more gun-ho. A bit like a Chelsea or Liverpool formation. I think we will struggle 4-4-2 because there is no Kante and we are not hitting the straps of last year. I think you could go Huth Morgan and Fuchs or Simpson, Morgan and Huth. I like Fuchs as a possible wingback because of his delivery and maybe Albrighton down the left too if Mahrez is to go to the right of the front 3. I'm not sure of super Slim and I'd be prepared to give Ulloa a go to mix it up with Vardy playing off him possibly. Drinks needs more help in the middle to play the Cambiasso type role and that's where we are lacking in quality. Mandy maybe but we're asking him to get up to speed with a third of the season gone and that's tough for any midfielder. Ask Matty James.
deep blue Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 1 hour ago, davieG said: You can come up with all the formations you want with their perfect matched players but you can't play the same people for every game, the fundamental problem is we don't have sufficient cover in defence or midfield to allow for rotation in order to rest players or to offer variety to keep the opposition guessing. Not sure I agree with this comment. The OP's substitutes give you ample choices for rotating the squad, except for the back 3 - but he seems to have omitted Simpson from the equation, and in him you have one more than adequate alternative (assuming you don't trust Was).
Countryfox Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 4 hours ago, Royston. said: i'd go with 5 in midfield and vardy up front. its not like we'll create less chances with only 1 striker compared to the joke we are at the minute. hamer simpson morgan huth fuchs amartey drinkwater king/mendy mahrez gray vardy Why's Gray still in the tunnel ?
Beliall Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 9 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Why's Gray still in the tunnel ? Mahrez is still on the Bus!
Wymsey Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 People say 3-5-2 is the answer. The problem is if too many commit forward, mid-midfield and defence will become vulnerable. A few times yesterday there were more WBA players around the 18-yard box than ours. 5-3-2 could be the answer here (though best used when Mahrez is unavailable for whatever reason). Simpson Huth/Morgan Fuchs/Schlupp Albrighton》 《Schlupp/Fuchs Amartey Drinkwater Mendy Gray/Musa/Vardy Okazaki/Slimani
foxes21 Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 We cannot play three CM's. We only have 1 box to box CM, we need two to play that formation.
the fox Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 For me. Dropping slimani is insan. He is scoring goals and has a very good conversation rate. He got one chance against porto. He scored. He got 1 chance against WBA. He scored. 1 chance against copenhagen. He scored(but it was offside) got 2 chances against burnley. He scored 2. He assisted mahrez goal that got us the 3 points. And he assisted musa. That is a very good tally for a striker with very few chances. For me dropping him is just stupid
ZeGuy Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 I think CR knows 4-4-2 is finished with the players he now has, but he can't do otherwise until Mendy (who is still a big unknown for me) comes back or a CM is signed in january. The actual system has the advantage of being mastered by (almost) all the players. So instead of tinkering with the formation he's going the other way around.
Guest Papasmurf Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 One more thread about playing 3 at the back should crack it.
ZeGuy Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 8 minutes ago, the fox said: For me. Dropping slimani is insan. He is scoring goals and has a very good conversation rate. He got one chance against porto. He scored. He got 1 chance against WBA. He scored. 1 chance against copenhagen. He scored(but it was offside) got 2 chances against burnley. He scored 2. He assisted mahrez goal that got us the 3 points. And he assisted musa. That is a very good tally for a striker with very few chances. For me dropping him is just stupid Not quite at the moment and with this formation. In 4-5-1 yes, but not in 4-4-2. I hoped for a good link up between Vardy and Slimani but it doesn't seem to happen for whatever reason. With the inverted wingers the crosses don't come in anyway and he can rarely be played to his full strenght. Don't misunderstand me, correctly used he's a nightmare in the box, but there is actually no service and he makes the game even more predictable since there is no real other threat.
the fox Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 17 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: Not quite at the moment and with this formation. In 4-5-1 yes, but not in 4-4-2. I hoped for a good link up between Vardy and Slimani but it doesn't seem to happen for whatever reason. With the inverted wingers the crosses don't come in anyway and he can rarely be played to his full strenght. Don't misunderstand me, correctly used he's a nightmare in the box, but there is actually no service and he makes the game even more predictable since there is no real other threat. For me. the CM that are the problem not the strikers. We don't have a box to box midfielder to build the play up. 4-4-2 is fine by me. But our CMs are limited. They are not very good at defense and they can't get the ball up. I hate to say it but kantè was our CDM and our box to box CM in the same time
ZeGuy Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 1 minute ago, the fox said: For me. the CM that are the problem not the strikers. We don't have a box to box midfielder to build the play up. 4-4-2 is fine by me. But our CMs are limited. They are not very good at defense and they can't get the ball up. I hate to say it but kantè was our CDM and our box to box CM in the same time I never said Slimani was the problem, just that in the current situation he might not be the solution.
jammie82uk Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 7 minutes ago, the fox said: For me. the CM that are the problem not the strikers. We don't have a box to box midfielder to build the play up. 4-4-2 is fine by me. But our CMs are limited. They are not very good at defense and they can't get the ball up. I hate to say it but kantè was our CDM and our box to box CM in the same time Drinkwater is a box to box CM its just this season we are not playing him that way and we are using him more like a deep lying playmaker instead
the fox Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 20 minutes ago, jammie82uk said: Drinkwater is a box to box CM its just this season we are not playing him that way and we are using him more like a deep lying playmaker instead Drinkwater is not a box to box CM. He can do a little bit of every thing. But he is not dominant. He is a good CM but he is not the kind of a player that can play in a modern 4-4-2. You need the balance. Dembele is a box to box. Dier is a CDM. xabi is the CDM and alcantara the box to box. Those are two of the best two men midfield in Europe. I will not say that kantè carried him. But I would say kantè was doing the heavy lifting in the offense and in the defense
Will1981 Posted 7 November 2016 Posted 7 November 2016 I would like us to try a 442 with left footed wingers on the left and right footed wingers on the right, I feel that the inverted wingers have had their day and it makes us far too predictable. Zieler Simpson -- Morgan -- Huth -- Fuchs Albrighton -- Amartey -- Drinky -- Mahrez Vardy -- Slimani
foxy boxing Posted 8 November 2016 Posted 8 November 2016 any formation that gives the maximum cover for the defence, the problem is we like to play with two wide players that leaves space in behind that the opposition can exploit and we need a competent sitting midfielder we all know must be kante like
lgfualol Posted 8 November 2016 Posted 8 November 2016 I'm warming to 352/343 again because it is clear 442 wont work with the lack of quality in our team. Schmeichel Morgan Huth Hernandez Albrighton Drinkwater Mendy Fuchs Mahrez Slimani Musa/Vardy/Gray Easily able to switch to 442 as well.
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