tom27111 Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 Norman Tebbit has summed it up perfectly today: "He claimed to be a Roman Catholic. I hope that his beliefs turn out to be true and he'll be parked in a particularly hot and unpleasant corner of hell for the rest of eternity." And to say that an IRA commander is one of your heroes, is to say the least, distasteful and bizzare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buce Posted 21 March 2017 Popular Post Share Posted 21 March 2017 21 minutes ago, Innovindil said: It's nice to know I can be a mass-murdering scumbag and still get forgiveness as long as I bleat the right words afterwards. Seemed to work alright for Nelson Mandela.. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy boxing Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 yes Martin McGuinness was part of an organization that carried out despicable acts of violence and murder in the name of something he believed in but in conflicts around the world to gain peace you have to negotiate with people on the opposite sides that have both committed acts of violence and terrorism or the cycle of violence will just continue. it's better to have peace with people you despise and hate than to have a continued cycle of violence. people have a right to live in peace and also to choose which path to take as long as they do it in a democratic way while respecting the views of everyone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Innovindil said: It's nice to know I can be a mass-murdering scumbag and still get forgiveness as long as I bleat the right words afterwards. Worked well for Thatcher (belgrano) Tony Blair (Iraq) Paratroopers in derry none of whom left a legacy of peace and a better world than the one they were born into Edited 21 March 2017 by GaelicFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 48 minutes ago, tom27111 said: Norman Tebbit has summed it up perfectly today: "He claimed to be a Roman Catholic. I hope that his beliefs turn out to be true and he'll be parked in a particularly hot and unpleasant corner of hell for the rest of eternity." And to say that an IRA commander is one of your heroes, is to say the least, distasteful and bizzare. Norman Tebbit suffered personally at the hands of the IRA , I feel for him and his family he had found no peace in this life and I hope he can find it in the next. Martin was my hero because he brought the IRA to the peace table , he decommissioned their arms and he gave the people of ireland respite from their tyranny and he did so at great personal risk your ignorance of Irish politics is not unique and as such I cannot castigate you for that I will respect your ignorance as exactly that ignorance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 38 minutes ago, Buce said: Seemed to work alright for Nelson Mandela.. Castro as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 29 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: yes Martin McGuinness was part of an organization that carried out despicable acts of violence and murder in the name of something he believed in but in conflicts around the world to gain peace you have to negotiate with people on the opposite sides that have both committed acts of violence and terrorism or the cycle of violence will just continue. it's better to have peace with people you despise and hate than to have a continued cycle of violence. people have a right to live in peace and also to choose which path to take as long as they do it in a democratic way while respecting the views of everyone Brilliantly said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 A man that made many friends and won many admirers including the Queen she is a national treasure and long may she reign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom27111 Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 16 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: Norman Tebbit suffered personally at the hands of the IRA , I feel for him and his family he had found no peace in this life and I hope he can find it in the next. Martin was my hero because he brought the IRA to the peace table , he decommissioned their arms and he gave the people of ireland respite from their tyranny and he did so at great personal risk your ignorance of Irish politics is not unique and as such I cannot castigate you for that I will respect your ignorance as exactly that ignorance Absolute bullshit. So, because someone doesn't agree with you, they're ignorant? If you genuinely believe that the IRA decommissioned all of their arms, you are the ignorant one. McGuinness' only legacy was to have hundreds of terrorists released from prison, some of who undoubtedly continue their paramilitary activities to this day. But hey, I'm the ignorant one. It's fine to say that a c*** like McGuinness is a hero. If you said that about Bin Laden, you'd be ostracised as a terrorist sympathiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 2 minutes ago, tom27111 said: Absolute bullshit. So, because someone doesn't agree with you, they're ignorant? If you genuinely believe that the IRA decommissioned all of their arms, you are the ignorant one. McGuinness' only legacy was to have hundreds of terrorists released from prison, some of who undoubtedly continue their paramilitary activities to this day. But hey, I'm the ignorant one. It's fine to say that a c*** like McGuinness is a hero. If you said that about Bin Laden, you'd be ostracised as a terrorist sympathiser. Fake News .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom27111 Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 1 minute ago, GaelicFox said: Fake News .... Exactly the kind of response I expected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 4 minutes ago, tom27111 said: Exactly the kind of response I expected! Your input deserved nothing more intelligent , wild and unreferenced fake facts deserves nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom27111 Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 1 hour ago, GaelicFox said: Your input deserved nothing more intelligent , wild and unreferenced fake facts deserves nothing more. Says the one who thinks a murderer is a hero. Puts you in the same class really. Utter scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 18 minutes ago, tom27111 said: Says the one who thinks a murderer is a hero. Nelson Mandela? Formed a terrorist organisation that killed a fair few but I'm sure a lot would see him as a hero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, tom27111 said: Says the one who thinks a murderer is a hero. Puts you in the same class really. Utter scum. McGuinness has never been convicted of murder. And you are out of step with most who have commented, including Theresa May, and this guy: A former senior security source familiar with Martin McGuinness's career within the IRA said that over the years he had transformed from one its most militant leaders to a restraining influence. "In his early days, Martin was a fairly hot-headed young revolutionary who helped drive the IRA to be more aggressive and active," he says. "But in the latter years of the Troubles, as the republican movement moved from violence to politics, he was a calming and restraining influence who definitely saved lives because he stopped things happening." Edited 21 March 2017 by Buce 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, tom27111 said: Says the one who thinks a murderer is a hero. Puts you in the same class really. Utter scum. Hatred and bitterness eats people up , try looking at the world with love and forgiveness and you will find it a more pleasant and wonderful place Peace is the way forward .... respect is the path to peace thankfully nearly every English and British person I know is full of love and peace , you don't represent anyone or anything that is significantly important to my life or world I hope you find peace like Martín did Edited 21 March 2017 by GaelicFox 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 Is there not a separate "Norn Irn" thread in which people can endlessly relive the troubles and not change their original views? If not, I think there should be... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross-Kemp Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 He looked at the world peacefully to avoid being prosecuted. He was a murdering, terrorist scumbag. If Bin Laden (before he died) came out and tried to make peace, would he be a hero? What about Hitler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 12 minutes ago, Ross-Kemp said: He looked at the world peacefully to avoid being prosecuted. He was a murdering, terrorist scumbag. If Bin Laden (before he died) came out and tried to make peace, would he be a hero? What about Hitler? And Marine A is a hero I guess ? You see nothing is ever black or white in life or conflict Hatred will eat you up .... peace will give you a happier life peace be on to you my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 17 minutes ago, Vacamion said: Is there not a separate "Norn Irn" thread in which people can endlessly relive the troubles and not change their original views? If not, I think there should be... The "no surender" rangers fans on here would love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 22 minutes ago, Vacamion said: Is there not a separate "Norn Irn" thread in which people can endlessly relive the troubles and not change their original views? If not, I think there should be... Pretty much this. Along with occasional articles on nuance and polarisation to be read by those who clearly don't have any and have a lot of respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 31 minutes ago, Ross-Kemp said: He looked at the world peacefully to avoid being prosecuted. He was a murdering, terrorist scumbag. If Bin Laden (before he died) came out and tried to make peace, would he be a hero? What about Hitler? Prosecuted for what? Conjecture, hearsay, and speculation are not admissible as evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 I have conflicted feelings on this, but overall I'm grateful for the peace that's been secured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 1 hour ago, GaelicFox said: Hatred and bitterness eats people up , try looking at the world with love and forgiveness and you will find it a more pleasant and wonderful place Peace is the way forward .... respect is the path to peace thankfully nearly every English and British person I know is full of love and peace , you don't represent anyone or anything that is significantly important to my life or world I hope you find peace like Martín did 1 hour ago, GaelicFox said: And Marine A is a hero I guess ? You see nothing is ever black or white in life or conflict Hatred will eat you up .... peace will give you a happier life peace be on to you my friend Considering how you could of replied, I think they're pretty classy responses given the circumstances. The 'old' Gaelic' would've been looking at a few weeks' ban I reckon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 21 March 2017 Share Posted 21 March 2017 41 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Considering how you could of replied, I think they're pretty classy responses given the circumstances. The 'old' Gaelic' would've been looking at a few weeks' ban I reckon It's the tablets ! They work As @Strokes says it's conflicted feelings for many people and I accept that but hatred and anger is what caused the troubles and we all now accept that conflict never solves anything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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