john ridley Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 At least if we go down ,the agents will look to move out most of who we bought in the summer ,just be left with players like vardy on his 100 grand etc .
Countryfox Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 19 hours ago, Great Boos Up said: On the pitch every team wants a slice of the champions and nobody fears us. Off the pitch the rut started with the pre season endless photo shoot and speculation to which player was going where and broke the camaraderie. Seems to me like they can now only fight when they have something to fight for like the pre great escape era when tensions were high. Now after their rewards which the players feel they earned the fight has gone. We're not relegation yet and we're not pushing for anything apart from the cup and Champions League. We know that relegation will kill us but will the players be around if that happens. No. Over sentimentality must go and be replaced with the players that would die for the opportunity to be in the team that lifted Premier League Trophy. It's two steps back to take one forward but as a fluke of luck there are three awful teams in this division to hopefully keep us in. So, like others are alluding to, the reason we are having a sh1t season is because we won the League ... we have neither the experience or infrastructure to cope with what has happened. Sit the lot of them down with a psychiatrist ... they are all clearly suffering with post traumatic winning-the-prem disorder. I'm honestly not sure they have anyone who knows how to deal with this and unfortunately we may be back in the Championship before they get their sh1t togethert.
jim5000 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 7 hours ago, RonnieTodger said: You'd like to think that they would hate to be the first champions to go down. Apparently not. There's absolutely no way any of the back 4 deserve to be playing, but apart from Chilwell, who the **** do you bring in? Complete and utter **** up. We let Inler (a Ranieri signing) go for nothing and were forced to play Amartey and King in central midfield. Of course Inler was miffed at not getting a look in last season, but letting a player of his calibre leave was a cock-up. Liam Moore could of been a decent deputy as well, and he's gone. Ranieri doesn't seem to think the defenders he's bought in (Benny and Hernadez) are up to the job, so why did we buy them? There are also question marks over Musa, Mendy, and to a degree, Silmani. Transfers in and out authorized by Ranieri have been pretty terrible on the whole, and left a squad bereft of technique, ideas, and options.
Durnerz Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 21 hours ago, Kitchandro said: What does that even mean? You realise that's not actually a real thing? That it's not possible to do what you just said? Again, clearly excusing the players' lack of effort because of their exploits last season. That's not good enough. I expect them to put in the effort this season. If not, why should I pay the money to support them? Why should I clap them and not boo them? Why should they be paid their wages that they'd never have if football fans didn't make it the huge business it is? Are they at least going to be made accountable for their actions by the fans treating them with the lack of respect they're treating us with at the moment? It means that last season the players gave way above and beyond their capabilities. That and having a world class central midfielder who is no longer here. Now that is bound to take it out of them, adding to that we had a poor pre season and the pressure that didn't exist last season is now on us this season in expectation. The players haven't given the same effort as last season as with extra games and the same players being used week in week out because of poor strength in depth and injuries adding to that Ranieri's stubborn approach to games that has ultimately cost us. If I was a player on £100k a week and my manager was designing a system setting us up to get spanked every week I'd be pretty pissed off.
fuchsntf Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 At the time, I said not holding onto RDL, Moore and Inler was wrong. If we had replaced them well and good, but the club was wrong in believing they could rely on Huth, Morgan, and Wasi only.No CB investment was wrong. Champions should of re-invested, beside Mendy we should of seen a box to box CM, even an avg UK player. We could still have kept faith and tried to see how the title winners would fare.Then we would have had new reserves/rescources to call on. Myself I would of been the last to complain, if the odd player wasnt cutting it, we didnt have the financial clout to guarrantee immddiate success, but owners, club management with Claudio should of done more. Thats why I wont demean Slimani, Mendy, Musa, Amartey, Gray (from the fringe) now Ndidi. Vardy, Mahrez have no cover or decent service.Okazaki, King, DDrinkwater didnt step up, that extra yard. Albrighton again Mahrez a winger or wingback were forced to defend far too much. After the 1st month Claudio wasnt hard enough and far too loyal to Morgan. The real top managers, would of dropped or at least rested him, but stayed loyal to his presence. Its been the no and lack of action, that has been bewildering. Unlike some I dont blame Claudio trying different set-ups or formations, top 10 teams players should carry that off with no problem. The word tinkerman is a media, then later a fan myth.. Just go back, since the PL, how many times during a season, that top teams have swapped and changed, without injuries..2-3 players, sometimes 4. Just for the league season. But we can forget all that, our title winners ran their socks off, and ran their brains to the limit, the mongrel group gave their all..No other group or bunch could of done it..!! That individual desire, became the teams ethos, forget the future, take this one game as our last, and see where it takes us. I reckon each week they suprised themselves, then only rwally started to believe...maybe after the Man.city game for top 4, then 5-6 games out the title is now on the table..Unbelievable positive turns, kept that motivation, that produced that incredible intensity. There is nothing really wrong, other than they have nothing more left in the tank for this the following season. We havent the quality of Chelsea, to ride such a drop in levels.. If kante had stayed, we might of seen a top 12-8 fight nothing more and thats being optimistic. Importantly, Claudio and coaching staff, couldnt understand or raff such an implosion was possible. That said, I believe it would of also flumixed ALL top managers. No top 6 yes, but poor after poor performances no !! Selections or formation changes not the problem, we lacked enough cover, especially in defence. Plus King and the then new Amartey, are not players who can force the initiative. If Claudio doesnt invest in settling the defence in these 8 days, he would rightly take the blame if we went down. We have been victims of that one great success, and has a club guilty of not reinvesting, before releasing players. And Claudio being guilty of being too innocent on players and team needs. more successfull managers , are making the same mistake for different reasons Gardiola, and Mourhino.
yorkie1999 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 Thing is, if we win on Friday and again on Tuesday and play like we know we can play then its all rosy in the garden again. He's admitted he fvcked up which is more than most managers do
fuchsntf Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 28 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: Thing is, if we win on Friday and again on Tuesday and play like we know we can play then its all rosy in the garden again. He's admitted he fvcked up which is more than most managers do Please go to Church/mosque/temple/synagogue, this Thursday and Sunday... Every single city fan is begging and praying Exactly that..
yorkie1999 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 14 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: Please go to Church/mosque/temple/synagogue, this Thursday and Sunday... Every single city fan is begging and praying Exactly that.. The pubs my church, I'll see you there then
fuchsntf Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: The pubs my church, I'll see you there then You see..!!! Thats our problem leaning against the woodwork , one leg on the rest, and depending on others to take you home. Like our beloved team you have no defence..!!
norwichfox Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 We don't need a manager that admits he's messed the tactics up, we need one that makes less mistakes and knows how to communicate with the team before we even make the mistakes....how can you play a formation and admit the the team hasn't got a clue how to work it? If Ranieri is to stay he needs a competent advisor in the mould of Steve Walsh Snr. to work closely with him. I get the feeling he doesn't like working with others at the management side of things, so basically, we're in deep mire unless he walks. I'm not expecting any 2014/15 type turnaround in form, during the bad spells we weren't shipping goals at such an alarming rate in the games we lost. We can see now why Vardy, Huth, Morgan, Albrighton and co. were so cheap in the first place, it's nothing short of a miracle how they raised their ability for 1 season. We have rewarded the players richly for their 1 season of miracles and made a rod for our own backs as it has been pointed out. Utter disaster for the club looms if we go down.....and I'm painting the bright picture, don't get me started on my gloomy side
polarbear Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 13 hours ago, fuchsntf said: At the time, I said not holding onto RDL, Moore and Inler was wrong. If we had replaced them well and good, but the club was wrong in believing they could rely on Huth, Morgan, and Wasi only.No CB investment was wrong. Champions should of re-invested, beside Mendy we should of seen a box to box CM, even an avg UK player. We could still have kept faith and tried to see how the title winners would fare.Then we would have had new reserves/rescources to call on. Myself I would of been the last to complain, if the odd player wasnt cutting it, we didnt have the financial clout to guarrantee immddiate success, but owners, club management with Claudio should of done more. Thats why I wont demean Slimani, Mendy, Musa, Amartey, Gray (from the fringe) now Ndidi. Vardy, Mahrez have no cover or decent service.Okazaki, King, DDrinkwater didnt step up, that extra yard. Albrighton again Mahrez a winger or wingback were forced to defend far too much. After the 1st month Claudio wasnt hard enough and far too loyal to Morgan. The real top managers, would of dropped or at least rested him, but stayed loyal to his presence. Its been the no and lack of action, that has been bewildering. Unlike some I dont blame Claudio trying different set-ups or formations, top 10 teams players should carry that off with no problem. The word tinkerman is a media, then later a fan myth.. Just go back, since the PL, how many times during a season, that top teams have swapped and changed, without injuries..2-3 players, sometimes 4. Just for the league season. But we can forget all that, our title winners ran their socks off, and ran their brains to the limit, the mongrel group gave their all..No other group or bunch could of done it..!! That individual desire, became the teams ethos, forget the future, take this one game as our last, and see where it takes us. I reckon each week they suprised themselves, then only rwally started to believe...maybe after the Man.city game for top 4, then 5-6 games out the title is now on the table..Unbelievable positive turns, kept that motivation, that produced that incredible intensity. There is nothing really wrong, other than they have nothing more left in the tank for this the following season. We havent the quality of Chelsea, to ride such a drop in levels.. If kante had stayed, we might of seen a top 12-8 fight nothing more and thats being optimistic. Importantly, Claudio and coaching staff, couldnt understand or raff such an implosion was possible. That said, I believe it would of also flumixed ALL top managers. No top 6 yes, but poor after poor performances no !! Selections or formation changes not the problem, we lacked enough cover, especially in defence. Plus King and the then new Amartey, are not players who can force the initiative. If Claudio doesnt invest in settling the defence in these 8 days, he would rightly take the blame if we went down. We have been victims of that one great success, and has a club guilty of not reinvesting, before releasing players. And Claudio being guilty of being too innocent on players and team needs. more successfull managers , are making the same mistake for different reasons Gardiola, and Mourhino. I said last season several times that the lack of use of kramaric ulloa inler when we were winning games by 2 or 3 goals (particularly first half of the season) was appalling. They should have been given some time to build match sharpness and fight for a place. Honestly believe now that kramaric as the type of forward who can play the withdrawn role would have helped us massively thus season in linking midfield to attack. Same reg inler - when Mendy and drinks were out he could have done a job, but also thrived as the player to get the ball from the defence and speed up or slow down our play as appropriate depending on how the game is going. I want Ranieri to stay, the players should be ashamed of themselves as helpex them achieve the same biggest prize they are capable of. The club has also let him down with questionable transfers and summer preparations. Hopefully we stay up this season and we can phase out, sell or release unwanted players and get in/use players who will see it as a privilege to work under Claudio. Not these ungrateful spoilt brats
filbertway Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 On 1/23/2017 at 12:48, smr said: why aren't we playing every game like we did against Man City, we took absolutely no shit that game whatsoever and each player was superb. It was exactly how we played last season.... Honestly, watch that game back. Man city put in very little effort, kept passing the ball to us and left us with about 40 yards in behind to pass into. We were extremely clinical. It's not like we turned it on and battered a very good team. We beat a team of statues.
Chrysalis Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 What I think are the causes have already been said but here it is. I agree the players are no longer motivated, where there issue is with the manager or the higher up parts of the club I dont know, but the dressing room is lost regardless. Causes? Wage increases, we know the wage increases were not universal whilst previously the wage structure had everyone on a similar wage, this has now likely caused friction between the players. Players may have had a chance to move in the summer to better clubs but were not allowed to and are now not happy as a result. Loss of steve walsh, this guy was present in training so he was more than just a scout. He may have been important to the squad more than we realise. As last season progressed we were using less and less energy in games, claudio was molding us into a less energy expanding team, this seemed to only pay off becaus eof kante, now he needs the players to revert to how they 0played at the start of last season, but the fitnless levels are not there and they also dont seem willing to expend the energy required to play in that way. Momentum, this is a big thing in football, this season we lost a bunch of pre season games, we then lost to hull, and also seemed to have decided we can only play at 50% in games prior to CL games, and still be good enough to finish in a respectable position, all those games we developed a losing momentum which we cannot shake off. I know what the fix is but I simply cannot cause myself to call for claudio's head.
Chrysalis Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 On 22/01/2017 at 21:15, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said: Dread to think what happens should we get relegated, players on 100k a week playing in the Championship leads to financial disaster. Parachute payments are very generous now, in addition our owners would cover the losses. I think they have already made back all their losses from the championship in our 2 seasons in the EPL.
foxfanazer Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 I'm so glad I went to Brugge! It's literally the only positive I can take from this turd of a season
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 On 23/01/2017 at 16:59, jim5000 said: We let Inler (a Ranieri signing) go for nothing and were forced to play Amartey and King in central midfield. Of course Inler was miffed at not getting a look in last season, but letting a player of his calibre leave was a cock-up. Liam Moore could of been a decent deputy as well, and he's gone. Ranieri doesn't seem to think the defenders he's bought in (Benny and Hernadez) are up to the job, so why did we buy them? There are also question marks over Musa, Mendy, and to a degree, Silmani. Transfers in and out authorized by Ranieri have been pretty terrible on the whole, and left a squad bereft of technique, ideas, and options. This is a ridiculous post. He should have kept Inler - who was so poor when he did play it was quite shocking. Liam Moore should have been kept? His form was atrocious and it fell off a cliff when he was shipped out the the Championship - he couldn't keep his place there! Add to that Walsh lined up he signings of Musa, Amartey and Slimani not Ranieri. Get your facts right! What are you thinking with this stuff?
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