Chico1958 Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 45 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: The best way I can describe what's wrong is a 'lack of consequence' for the players and CR. In any normal job, if you underperform you ultimately get the sack. If these players continually underperform- so what? They get dropped - big deal, sit on the bench and still earn £100k a week for the duration of their long contracts. They get sold - big deal, they've won the PL and that will always be on the CV. And they're pretty much financially secure for life now anyway (and some close to retirement) They get relegated - big deal, they've won the PL and achieved their lifelong ambition in football. So not only is there no real additional incentive for them to perform, there's also little consequence if they don't. I don't know how much 'professional pride' also comes into it, but it bloody well should. Spot on my man. Spot on.
yorkie1999 Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 1 hour ago, Kitchandro said: I can't believe how many likes this stupid post has. To me, that says there are an awful lot of people willing to excuse the players not putting effort in. I can't get my head around that. It's not excusing the players at all, it's giving a possible reason for their obvious lack of motivation
ZeGuy Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 1 hour ago, Izzy Muzzett said: The best way I can describe what's wrong is a 'lack of consequence' for the players and CR. In any normal job, if you underperform you ultimately get the sack. If these players continually underperform- so what? They get dropped - big deal, sit on the bench and still earn £100k a week for the duration of their long contracts. They get sold - big deal, they've won the PL and that will always be on the CV. And they're pretty much financially secure for life now anyway (and some close to retirement) They get relegated - big deal, they've won the PL and achieved their lifelong ambition in football. So not only is there no real additional incentive for them to perform, there's also little consequence if they don't. I don't know how much 'professional pride' also comes into it, but it bloody well should. Great post.
The_frozenoak Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 Folk are probably sick of hearing it but what this bunch went through, after winning the league, maybe you go one of two ways. It fires and drives you or totally overwhelmes you and numbs you. That fire in the belly doesn't just ignite, the emotion isn't coming after all that was given you!. You simply are burnt out.
Great Boos Up Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 On the pitch every team wants a slice of the champions and nobody fears us. Off the pitch the rut started with the pre season endless photo shoot and speculation to which player was going where and broke the camaraderie. Seems to me like they can now only fight when they have something to fight for like the pre great escape era when tensions were high. Now after their rewards which the players feel they earned the fight has gone. We're not relegation yet and we're not pushing for anything apart from the cup and Champions League. We know that relegation will kill us but will the players be around if that happens. No. Over sentimentality must go and be replaced with the players that would die for the opportunity to be in the team that lifted Premier League Trophy. It's two steps back to take one forward but as a fluke of luck there are three awful teams in this division to hopefully keep us in.
fleckneymike Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 It would be quicker to do a thread entitled what is right? The whole XI were terrible but a few notably bad performers were Drinkwater: spent 90 minutes falling out with himself and sulking. At least twice he went into a challenge just to boot the ball as hard as he could at an opposition player rather than actually win the tackle. I can't recall a more immature performance from a city midfielder. Gray: whilst wanting to take the game to the opposition, wasted any positive momentum we had by aimlessly shooting when others were better placed. Simpson: a competent defender when he has cover in front of him, he is zero attacking threat so asking him to defend with a narrow diamond in front is stupid. Morgan: back to the Wes who spent his life sat on his arse or stood looking for the man he was supposed to mark.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 Dread to think what happens should we get relegated, players on 100k a week playing in the Championship leads to financial disaster.
dannythefox Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 Can't see him getting the boot but he's really starting to get a lot of fans thinking is he's not up to it. Boos incoming if we don't beat Burnley and show up against Utd.
ronnup Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 Sadly , the tactics and the players were woeful. That's a recipe for disaster. I fear for this season. Let's hope there's three worse teams. I still think there is.
Moksky Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 Lack of desire, not hungry, mentality not to go out and do it again, fatigue, age in one or two instances. Loss of Kante. Big wages on long deals. lack of professionalism. Rabbits in headlights? Did Ferguson change his shape, or have to rebuild his side after winning the league immediately, when he had to rebuild he still kept the team on levels that challenged, or top 4 at least. I watched Scholes as a pundit v Chelsea. He hit the nail on the head, why did we change from a successful formation? A lot of us thought it needed a change, Perhaps to accommodate 1 or 2 new players, after all how could pay £30m on striker and not play him? We want the team to show the desire and collective ness of last season, we played as a team, not as individuals.
coolhandfox Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 For me, recruitment, we will never be as attractive again as we were this summer, we need quality! We need a centre half, centre midfielder, and a creative number 10, who improved our 11. We strengthen the squad, rather then the 11. We sold our best midfielder player, and replaced him with midfielder who have yet to make an impact. We got a dodge keeper, a defender who worse then what we have, two forward who can't form a partnership with our main forward. We have spent more the 70 million and not one player has made a impact! Our best players Vardy, Mahrez, are struggling for form, and Kasper has missed large parts of the season. CR doesn't know he's best formation, let alone his best 11!
TheUltimateWinner Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 Ndidi is our new social media King. https://instagram.com/p/BPlNDUxANXz/
Mezeker Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 I keep reiterating this to everyone so i feel like this is redundant but for me the biggest factor was the transfers in the summer. Last year we outworked most of the teams we played against supported by a tireless engine in the midfield Kante. Our entire transfer policy was geared around bringing in players that "fit our mentality", that's fine but it would help if we actually got players that had some level of technical ability. Mahrez is the only players on our team that remains capable of creating things with the ball, he is the only player that is comfortable on the ball in tight spaces. Why? Outworking teams week in week out is not a winning strategy long term, you need actual football players. Last year we benefited from a an amazing start. The level of determination and commitment we saw second half of the season was much easier given we were in the title race, the title being tangible gave the players all the motivation they needed. Many people remember Kante for his defensive prowess, but bursts forwards willed the team forwards. If we look at how he was "replaced" our current predicament is not as shocking, Kante created so much space for the entire team. Mendy is Drinkwater; they are not dynamic players in the way Kante was, they play horizontal. Yes there are many factors, and many of you have done a good job pointing them out but for me this is the ultimate reason.
jim5000 Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 Last 5 league matches are pretty grim reading 1 goal 8 against 4 points picked up I imagine chances is less than 10 :-\
StriderHiryu Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 7 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: If you climbed Mount Everest would you want to do it again? This is the problem. It's a unique psychological problem. I'm not defending anyone in the team or squad, but this is what has happened right in front of our eyes. If we don't get relegated (BIG if based on recent performances) then we should probably have a big clear out, say a big thank you to those that gave us our greatest day and create a new team and ethos. Too many look like they either don't want to be there, or know they can't replicate last year and are playing as a shadow of their former glory. I just can't see the fight in our players anymore and it terrifies me. 19 more points needed to get to 40... it seems like a long way away right now...
Mezeker Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 4 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: This is the problem. It's a unique psychological problem. I'm not defending anyone in the team or squad, but this is what has happened right in front of our eyes. If we don't get relegated (BIG if based on recent performances) then we should probably have a big clear out, say a big thank you to those that gave us our greatest day and create a new team and ethos. Too many look like they either don't want to be there, or know they can't replicate last year and are playing as a shadow of their former glory. I just can't see the fight in our players anymore and it terrifies me. 19 more points needed to get to 40... it seems like a long way away right now... it really is. At a big club yes they have big players but what are big players? I would describe them as highly skilled players that have set their sights on the very top from a very young age, they have a yearning each year to improve and get better. You can't put that mentality/culture into aging players that acheived something they never thought possible. I can't imagine how emotionally and mentally draining last season was on these players, playing so structured, so much higher than their abilities should have been able to take them.
lgfualol Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 1 hour ago, TheUltimateWinner said: Ndidi is our new social media King. https://instagram.com/p/BPlNDUxANXz/ I've noticed it has been silent from nearly everyone in the team. Ndidi is speechless he joined a bunch of one season wonders.
Durnerz Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 The players probably gave three seasons worth of effort last season. As the saying goes, what goes up must come down (hopefully not literally)
STUHILL Posted 22 January 2017 Posted 22 January 2017 9 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: If you climbed Mount Everest would you want to do it again? 100% this. These "average" players achieved something they could have only dreamed of before, especially for a team like Leicester. Hunger has gone now. We should replace most of them just to get some hunger back. They have been given more than enough chances to put this right and today was one of the worst performances yet. No desire or energy! Back 4 has to be replaced first and then have to look at dropping players like Vardy and Drinkwater and buying some quality. Won't survive if we don't spend now. Need 2 CB's, 1 RB, 1 ACM/No.10 and a striker if Ulloa goes. Crazy we are in this situation, but we are, and so have to act before that 5 point gap goes and we are on the brink.
Kitchandro Posted 22 January 2017 Author Posted 22 January 2017 3 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: It's not excusing the players at all, it's giving a possible reason for their obvious lack of motivation No it's excusing it. Asking the question 'would you want to do it again?' - like I wouldn't, like it's understandable for them to be deflated by the greatest season of their careers (like seriously, people are saying that's a reason for them to lose confidence and give up? That's bizarre). Calling it 'Mount Everest' as if were some really arduous and painful journey. It's not, it's football. They are playing football every week for thousands of pounds. It's a fvcking laugh for Christ's sake. It's probably the best job in the world. It's nowhere near as hard as climbing Mount Everest. Besides, people would have been happy with top 7, maybe even top half. We're not even expecting them to do it again, just put in acceptable amounts of effort and levels of performance and people would love them anyway. It's not a hardship to play football. People need to get their heads out of their arses. They're a bunch of spoilt brats and they need a good dressing down. IF that is the reason they've turned into a bunch of quitters.
Kitchandro Posted 22 January 2017 Author Posted 22 January 2017 1 hour ago, Durnerz said: The players probably gave three seasons worth of effort last season. What does that even mean? You realise that's not actually a real thing? That it's not possible to do what you just said? Again, clearly excusing the players' lack of effort because of their exploits last season. That's not good enough. I expect them to put in the effort this season. If not, why should I pay the money to support them? Why should I clap them and not boo them? Why should they be paid their wages that they'd never have if football fans didn't make it the huge business it is? Are they at least going to be made accountable for their actions by the fans treating them with the lack of respect they're treating us with at the moment?
Kitchandro Posted 22 January 2017 Author Posted 22 January 2017 I'm tired of hearing how mentally draining it is being successful. What the actual fvck.
Kitchandro Posted 23 January 2017 Author Posted 23 January 2017 2 hours ago, fleckneymike said: It would be quicker to do a thread entitled what is right? It actually might have saved you some time if you'd have read the first couple of paragraphs of my original post rather than just the thread title. People aren't very good at that on here.
john ridley Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 2 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said: Dread to think what happens should we get relegated, players on 100k a week playing in the Championship leads to financial disaster. Hopefully someone had the sense to put some sort of relegation clause in the new contracts, or maybe not.
yorkie1999 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 12 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: It actually might have saved you some time if you'd have read the first couple of paragraphs of my original post rather than just the thread title. People aren't very good at that on here. You're obviously looking for agreement in your op and not for rational alternatives, so yes you are right, Claudio has lost the dressing room.
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