Donut Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 Whats wrong is that weve been too good to these players. Weve rewarded them royally, pandered to their needs, gave them all the backing we could. This season they have not justified our faith. And when times get tough, where do they go? all this band of brothers shit, theyre all on big contracts with new BMW's and they cant lift themselves to play anymore. You see it all the time in other sports. Serial winners, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher, Novak Djokovic, Sir Alex Ferguson, they didnt just win once and live off it forever, they had a mentality to go again. None of these lot do. If a new manager came in and they gave more effort, it shows how much of a shambles they really are.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 2 hours ago, Donut said: Whats wrong is that weve been too good to these players. Weve rewarded them royally, pandered to their needs, gave them all the backing we could. This season they have not justified our faith. And when times get tough, where do they go? all this band of brothers shit, theyre all on big contracts with new BMW's and they cant lift themselves to play anymore. You see it all the time in other sports. Serial winners, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher, Novak Djokovic, Sir Alex Ferguson, they didnt just win once and live off it forever, they had a mentality to go again. None of these lot do. If a new manager came in and they gave more effort, it shows how much of a shambles they really are. Absolutely spot on... I couldn't agree more.
VLC86 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 3 hours ago, Donut said: Whats wrong is that weve been too good to these players. Weve rewarded them royally, pandered to their needs, gave them all the backing we could. This season they have not justified our faith. And when times get tough, where do they go? all this band of brothers shit, theyre all on big contracts with new BMW's and they cant lift themselves to play anymore. You see it all the time in other sports. Serial winners, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher, Novak Djokovic, Sir Alex Ferguson, they didnt just win once and live off it forever, they had a mentality to go again. None of these lot do. If a new manager came in and they gave more effort, it shows how much of a shambles they really are. I agree to a certain extend but it isn't as simple as saying our players aren't serial winners. A number of our starting 11 have won the championship, completed the great escape and then won the league so you could easily argue that them players are born winners. Then you look at the players we have brought in. What have Musa, Mendy, Hernandez, Zieler, Kapustka etc ever won? Ability wise you certainly need to question our recruitment but how about mentality wise as well. I posted at the time that last season put us in a near impossible situation to manage where we needed to offer key players obscene money to keep them and if we didn't could you imagine what we would be thinking now. We then needed to add more players to cope with more matches who would be willing to be rotated while losing a few key components to our recruitment team has probably meant we panicked and overpaid. Then Ranieri. We can only guess why it looks like our players currently can't be motivated by him and it devastes me to say but I think if he stays we are in big trouble. Difficult to take but as everything went for us last season, the opposite looks like happening now.
lgfualol Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 7 hours ago, john ridley said: Hopefully someone had the sense to put some sort of relegation clause in the new contracts, or maybe not. I really doubt there is any clauses like that. Club were probably too cocky after last season to even think about it. We'd actually be ****ed because we could be payin Vardy 100k/w in the Championship because nobody else will take him with those wages
chicagofox Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 What's wrong? Our defence is a shambles. Midfield never imposes itself. We have zero creativity. We lack anything remotely like a goal threat. Vardy. Drinkwater. Morgan. Ranieri.
Blackpool Fox 69 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 First time in 3 years I have questioned their heart and desire, was working so couldn't make it, watched it on TV, they were chatting and smiling with the Soton players in the tunnel before kick off and Vards shared a joke with Redmond at 1-0 down, what the f£$&!!!
Crinklyfox Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 There are a lot of good posts in this thread. The sickness in the club has been evident from the first game at Hull when the players swanned around the pitch like they had a God-given right to victory and were duly trounced. Despite all that has happened since they probably still have the mindset that they are great and the club cannot be relegated. The attitude on the pitch does not reflect the commitment, desire and confidence of last season. The confidence must be long gone by now. Despite all that has happened I still believe that we have the players and manager that can get us out of this mess but the players have to wake up to the fact that they are not playing well enough and need to give the remainder of the season all that they have. I look at our squad and those of the clubs around us and I wouldn't want to swap - we just need our players to be performing to a level equivalent to those other clubs, the talent should then come through and give us the edge. Unfortunately if the players aren't willing to give it their all then we're vulnerable to any opposition. Bigger clubs than City have gone down before and I fear that unless something changes we'll be sucked into the relegation zone by the end of next month. At the moment we look like we couldn't beat eggs.
RonnieTodger Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 You'd like to think that they would hate to be the first champions to go down. Apparently not. There's absolutely no way any of the back 4 deserve to be playing, but apart from Chilwell, who the **** do you bring in? Complete and utter **** up.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 19 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: If you climbed Mount Everest would you want to do it again? Yes I read this quote in the paper also, and I thought it was a decent analogy. I then thought a bit longer....They didn't climb Everest and we are not asking them to climb Everest again. What actually happened is they played some football matches over a nine month period, being paid tens of thousands of pounds per week being completely pampered from morning till night. For their achievement they had their wages doubled and were given accolade after accolade - rightly so regarding the latter. What they have been expected to do since then is simply give 100% effort in 1 to 2 football matches a week, regardless of results - which as a group they have not done. All of this is a problem of their own making - that's what started off the demise of our title winning team - a team which I am on the verge of losing respect for.
Out Foxed Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 unfortunately the owners were put in a lose lose situation, to not reward the players after last seasons feats would have caused outrage in the city. the players, so far, are letting them down. we should have upgraded the team but that would have caused discontent anyway and probably had the same effect. we just have to make it through this season and replace the players that aren't up to scratch.
foxfanazer Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 In no particular order The hunger has gone Poor tactics Dreadful recruitment Not enough squad depth Ageing defence No attempt to play football Individual howlers There appears to be no real recognition of a proper crisis No disciplinarian figure
RowlattsFox Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 I think we are seeing how important confidence is in football, especially for players who are not regularly top level. I can imagine it being hard to have the same desire after what the club achieved and I expected their to be a massive hangover this year. The major problem is lack of preperation for this, anyone with a football brain could see this year would be different. We didn't attempt to change and develop style of play in the summer, personnel that were brought in offer nothing different and there is no plan B.
Footballwipe Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 I said after the Everton game that something feels rotten within the club. Those kind of passionless, emotionless performances are the worst kind. Waiting for the inevitable goal, slump of the shoulders and walk back to the centre circle. It's like the club and these players forgot there was a season to follow last year up. It's like they were caught in headlights in 15/16; there it was. Winning every week, glory, adulation, worldwide acclaim and fame. Media interest intense, exciting. Heck, even the pre-season was a whirlwind. With the added bonus of a brand new car and fat new contracts, life was easy. But the loss to PSG should have been the moment they all stopped and thought "oh man, we're not invincible." That didn't matter though, because next came a day out at Wembley to rekindle that glory, relive that fantastic season. And yet we lost. And then a week later we lose to Hull. Again those should have been moments where they woke up and realised that this wasn't going to be like last season. All that didn't matter though, because here came the Champions League. We destroyed Brugge on their home turf, beat Porto then Copenhagen and suddenly we were back, breaking records, gaining European adulation and attention. The patchy league form wasn't much to worry about, we weren't supposed to retain the title anyway. But the cracks were there. Cracks we all knew and could see. The defeats in the league were heavy and concerning. Inconsistency reigned and yet you get an air that no-one at the club was really that worried about this. Just repeat that the team played okay, the fans were great and we'll be back on our feet. We still have the Champions League, remember. Then Porto happens. A gutless, hopeless display of second strings and suddenly that league form is bad. Nevermind though here's Man City. 3-0 up after 20 minutes! Vardy hat-trick! destroying a top four team! Here we come, here we go, here's the proof that no UCL for the next two months will focus the mind. And then, despite trying to hold the cracks up with the last 15 at Stoke and West Ham the ceiling starts to cave in. This is real, this is REAL. We have successfully messed up the best recruitment opportunity we have ever had, we have embarrassed our title win from last season and the players and management are denting their story and legacy with every pathetic display. There seems to have been no strategy to deal with how different this season was going to be. No structure in player purchasing and no guarantees that giving out new contracts would sustain anywhere near the level of performance from 2015/16. What's wrong? I wish I knew, we all wished we knew; but whatever it is, it needs solving quickly. We should not allow this club to sink back to the level we were at, we were handed an opportunity on a plate and we took it, but no-one sat down and though "we've taken this opportunity... now what do we do?" I'm just so gutted at what I'm witnessing right now.
yorkie1999 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 51 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Yes I read this quote in the paper also, and I thought it was a decent analogy. I then thought a bit longer....They didn't climb Everest and we are not asking them to climb Everest again. What actually happened is they played some football matches over a nine month period, being paid tens of thousands of pounds per week being completely pampered from morning till night. For their achievement they had their wages doubled and were given accolade after accolade - rightly so regarding the latter. What they have been expected to do since then is simply give 100% effort in 1 to 2 football matches a week, regardless of results - which as a group they have not done. All of this is a problem of their own making - that's what started off the demise of our title winning team - a team which I am on the verge of losing respect for. I didn't, but the premier league title was mount everest to us,
mozartfox Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 What is right is the question? Once you have the answer to that, what is wrong becomes patently clear.
foxfanazer Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 2 minutes ago, mozartfox said: What is right is the question? Once you have the answer to that, what is wrong becomes patently clear. I genuinely asked my work mate this question yesterday and between us we can up with...... The owners are good, Kasper is quality and Chilwell, Gray and Ndidi are exciting prospects
Ric Flair Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 The long term problems we face, even if we do somehow stay up is we've a nucleus of old players who we will have to either bite the bullet and pay off or seriously risk battling relegation every season. Morgan, Huth, Fuchs, Simpson and Vardy are all on contracts that no other club will match and given their ages they will want to sit tight and wait to be paid off before leaving. The likes of King and Albrighton whom are also bang average are younger so there's potential for waiving transfer fees to get them off our books. Seriously though, a lot of these players have lost momentum and they've returned to their very mediocre selves. Can they ever regain that over-achievement? Highly doubtful, it was an incredible purple patch and we must realise the grave situation we are in. The loyalty to these players will cost us if we don't. They are legends and I'd happily spend all the money we have gained from winning the league on paying them off and start again. They gave us fans a season that we couldn't ever have imagined, that will stay with me forever. I just don't want to see this club go through a horrific next few years because we've failed to act swiftly.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 What is wrong currently is everything I despise about the state of football in general. Ridiculous wages and contracts. A clear lack of passion and determination. A lack of ambition, mixed in with a sense of arrogance. Everything that made me proud to be a Leicester fan, especially in the last three seasons, is now non-existent. I genuinely and naively believed we were different from the rest. A band of brothers but I think whatever has gone on and is going on, is now spreading throughout the squad and something needs to be done to stop it. I honestly believe that us Leicester fans, and correct me if I am wrong, only expect one thing and that is EFFORT. What I mean by this is that we don't have a certain style like the "West Ham way" or a sense of entitlement like Newcastle. So where's the aggression and bite of last season? Although I understand the Everest analogy, lets put it in a term we can all relate to: If we work hard and achieve personal work goals, we hope for promotions and financial rewards. Should our levels drop and we constantly under perform, we would expect reviews etc. In football, the only person(s) this can happen to is the manager and back room staff. Playing football is their job so they should at least have some personal pride despite the fact they are sitting on a big wedge of cash.
Dames Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 There's a distinct lack of trust and faith between the players at the moment. I think the new contracts and breaking of the wage structure has impacted the happiness of the squad massively. There's a professionalism argument but how can you expect to be happy as a player/employee when you see players like Vardy and Mahrez earning 100k+ a week and not doing the business? Those guys are supposed to lead by example and justify their wage and status. The tactics are all wrong as well. The system isn't working and there is just a complete lack of composure throughout the squad and there isn't anyone on the pitch thats brave enough to put their foot on the ball and tell the lads to slow down and calm things down. They just smash the ball every time there's even the slightest bit of pressure and I don't know if thats down to the manager or the players. Something needs to change and quickly otherwise we'll be back in the abyss before we know it.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Yes I read this quote in the paper also, and I thought it was a decent analogy. I then thought a bit longer....They didn't climb Everest and we are not asking them to climb Everest again. What actually happened is they played some football matches over a nine month period, being paid tens of thousands of pounds per week being completely pampered from morning till night. For their achievement they had their wages doubled and were given accolade after accolade - rightly so regarding the latter. What they have been expected to do since then is simply give 100% effort in 1 to 2 football matches a week, regardless of results - which as a group they have not done. All of this is a problem of their own making - that's what started off the demise of our title winning team - a team which I am on the verge of losing respect for. Good post. Not one of us were asking any of them to climb Mount Everest again. But neither were any of us thinking they'd be struggling to ascend Snowdon. Literally, the only good thing to come out of this season so far, has been our performances in the Champions League. Whether that was because we were in a ridiculously easy group, or not, remains to be seen. We've signed strikers with no attacking midfielder to supply them. We've signed midfielders who all look to play in just about exactly the same way (yet still leaked goals like a sieve), and we are still playing with two ageing central defenders. We have already conceded more goals this season than we did ALL last season (I find this stat staggering) and we have stopped scoring them the other end. No-one expected us to get to the peak of Everest again. But the way the club has been managed since and the seeming lack of effort from the now 'big time charlies' have both been appalling. Absolutely appalling.
foxfanazer Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 Agree with @leicesterlad1989 completely Us leicester fans don't expect to see the best football or us to win every week. Work rate and effort is pretty much all we demand. You only have to look at some of our club heroes to see its not technical ability that makes them fan favourites
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 11 hours ago, Donut said: Whats wrong is that weve been too good to these players. Weve rewarded them royally, pandered to their needs, gave them all the backing we could. This season they have not justified our faith. And when times get tough, where do they go? all this band of brothers shit, theyre all on big contracts with new BMW's and they cant lift themselves to play anymore. You see it all the time in other sports. Serial winners, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher, Novak Djokovic, Sir Alex Ferguson, they didnt just win once and live off it forever, they had a mentality to go again. None of these lot do. If a new manager came in and they gave more effort, it shows how much of a shambles they really are. Well I'd say that's a bit short termist myself. Every single one of them have had seriously tough times in their career, Djokovic is going through one now for example. But anyway, their ability alone is not enough to win us this league again and it wasn't what won is the league in the first place, we won it because we played a brand of football suited 11 of our players perfectly, they played it perfectly, and none of our opponents tried to do anything about it until it was practically March, At which point we put together a series of highly commendable ground out wins in which we were not particularly impressive in any of, exceptions being the last game of the season when it was all over anyway and the game against a truly dire Swansea side. Teams were genuinely afraid to play us, the fixture list allowed us to build momentum, Couple that with that fact that we did extremely well with a lot of marginal decisions (we aren't this season) and not a single big team posted a points tally worthy of winning the league and there you have it, Champions. To expect us to get even close to repeating that was a pipe dream reserved for those unable to analyze the basics of football and think we can repeat our success by simply "having pride" or "trying our hardest" I am afraid, it is really not that simple. Not to excuse Sundays shambles as that wasn't acceptable for any team with any ambition of staying in this league.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 17 hours ago, Old Fox said: Kitch and others have said so much that is spot on.....everything feels wrong currently and it needs a major shake up to get the reaction we need. I cannot believe I am even thinking it but CR to me is not reacting and showing the pain or anger that would be justified.....I know he was subtle and very calculated last season in keeping everyone happy but this is completely different. I never believed that in Jan 2017 after last season that we would not have won an away league game, have no pattern, no team spirit or desire.......truly truly shocking.... Either the Manager has to act or the owners do because no matter what signings we make this team is going down based upon the evidence so far. Last season we undoubtedly had players who peaked and maybe now are on the wain but the passion is completely lacking.....so CR either start ruffling a few feathers or Chairman act because we should NOT be in the poor state we are..... No way would Conte, Ferguson, Klopp, Wenger not be shaking their team by the boots if they were under performing so badly....we may not be a Top 6 side but neither should be one of the worst based upon last season and the investment made. Exactly - your last paragraph. I have been an ardent defender of Claudio, however after yesterday I tend to think that we are playing the worst football in the division - despite a few points in hand - and we look likely to be relegated. If Claudio has to go to avoid the drop.....then so be it. Thats a sad state of affairs but the decline from last season is unprecedented I believe, and we don't have forever to get it turned around.
fairbanksh Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 We are like a rudderless ship Yes the players are mainly shambolic but where is the management coaching etc Recruitment has been misdirected and pre season a joke I want to be proud of my team this season not embarrassed andprobably humiliated
smr Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 why aren't we playing every game like we did against Man City, we took absolutely no shit that game whatsoever and each player was superb. It was exactly how we played last season.... Then there have been games like Boro at home and yesterday where it reminds me of how shit we sometimes were at Filbert Street in the days of Lee Philpott and Simon Grayson, no ****ing verve, fight, commitment, tenancity, spirit, togetherness or anything positive.
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