filbertway Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 If you can't see that it's majorly down to tactics and philosophy of the team, you're pretty brain dead and will never see it for what it was.
BoyJones Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 18 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Claire on the RL post-match phone-in. Please hang up. Go to bed. Take a good bit of sleep and come back again tomorrow. Listened to RL first time in 5 years as getting a lift to the pub. That woman was a disgrace and the bloke following was just as bad. Does every Leicester fan on radio have such boring voices and suggesting Wenger, brain dead.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 3 minutes ago, shen said: Fall back to the trusted 4-4-2 setup of last season which everyone knows and don't shackle the players. It makes a lot of sense. For Christ's sake, Ranieri was crucified here by many people for sticking to 442 in the early months of this season. Now, suddenly, the same people are praising CS for returning to it. What about logic??? According to the BBC Vardy has run this season as many km per game as last season, and he made even more sprints per game than last season. Before Ranieri was sacked. So much for shackling the players.
shen Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Just now, The Doctor said: Not true - Morgan did well that season up until QPR away, one of the few that wasn't a disaster during that run. Fell away dramatically after that game until the move to 3 at the back. They may have been pinned back well by Albrighton and Okazaki, but the decision making from them, and the commitment to make any last ditches (see Fuchs bloke at the death) was massively improved and that cannot just be put down to Okazaki playing. Dude, Morgan slipped and threw himself on the ground time and again. He was a bloody car crash for the majority of that season. He was getting a lot of stick for months! As I mentioned just before, if you have clear instructions and you get the added protection (seriously, Ndidi was asolutely monstrous, his best game by light years in a Leicester shirt. It was Kanté-like from a defensive point of view) then he and Huth can focus on doing the simple things. They get time to read the situation. I noticed there was a lot more communication and encourangement, especially from Kasper, that likely stemmed from the fact the guys in front did a fantastic job harrying and closing down. It was clear from five minutes in that the team had far more purpose and a steely determination to prove they're still a team that works together. When you constantly communicate, you are much more certain and in control of what your teammates are doing. So no, it wasn't all down to Okazaki playing (although he was instrumental to the way we played today) and I never said it was just him.
The Doctor Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Just now, shen said: Dude, Morgan slipped and threw himself on the ground time and again. He was a bloody car crash for the majority of that season. He was getting a lot of stick for months! As I mentioned just before, if you have clear instructions and you get the added protection (seriously, Ndidi was asolutely monstrous, his best game by light years in a Leicester shirt. It was Kanté-like from a defensive point of view) then he and Huth can focus on doing the simple things. They get time to read the situation. I noticed there was a lot more communication and encourangement, especially from Kasper, that likely stemmed from the fact the guys in front did a fantastic job harrying and closing down. It was clear from five minutes in that the team had far more purpose and a steely determination to prove they're still a team that works together. When you constantly communicate, you are much more certain and in control of what your teammates are doing. So no, it wasn't all down to Okazaki playing (although he was instrumental to the way we played today) and I never said it was just him. Not for the full season. He was coping through until mid-November - and the stick, particularly on here, started after that point. Pretend their decision making and extra commitment was tactics if you want, but it's blatantly not.
HankMarvin Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Its so clear (as it has been for the last 3 years) this team does not have defending in its dna, high pressure attacking football yes yes yes Second half looked a lot more likely to concede, gave Liverpool far to much respect, but thankfully the damage was done. The template was there in the first season with Pearson, defend = lose Attack = win
em9999 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 All hypothetical but if ranieri hadn't been in charge this season and Shakespeare had been given given the job from game 1 I think you would be in the top four at this precise moment in time. I think ranieri was happy to go along with it last season but he tried to stamp his seal on things this season .. Hence your struggling.. you do not change a winning formula.. Clough tried to do the same when he took over Leeds and it had the same results
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 9 minutes ago, shen said: Hey Struwwelpeter. Go to bed, polish the salmon, get that bad blood out of your system and enjoy that we won convincingly against a top 5 team. What more would you have wanted from tonight? Did you actually want the team to lose so you would be vindicated for your views on the CR sacking? We have been here before. After the Burnley game, after the Palace game and especially after the ManCity game. Can you still remember, or are you already too pissed? If we win against Hull, I will join the celebrations. Not before.
em9999 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 By the end of this season Leicester will be nowhere near relegation
lee7 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 No! For some reason Ranieri decided to stray away from the tactics that made us so successful last season. Tonight we pressed with intensity and as a team rather than individuals. Once we were 3-0 up we was clever and sat back making it hard for them to break us down. Bringing Okazaki back in was genius! as soon as the Liverpool centre mids received the ball he was tracking back snapping at their heels! Something we've really missed lately. It helped that Ndidi put in a performance similar to what Kante produced so often last season.
shen Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: For Christ's sake, Ranieri was crucified here by many people for sticking to 442 in the early months of this season. Now, suddenly, the same people are praising CS for returning to it. What about logic??? According to the BBC Vardy has run this season as many km per game as last season, and he made even more sprints per game than last season. Before Ranieri was sacked. So much for shackling the players. You are completely missing the point. You are ignoring that the big difference tonight was the mental aspect. It's confidence, belief, team work. Defining clear roles for players, making them fit into a system that works, giving them hope. The way Ranieri deployed the team this season in a 4-4-2 rarely worked for a number of reasons. Apart from the Man City game and maybe Brugge away at a stretch, we've not been playing the way we did today or last season under CR. That's what CS would deserve praise for. Vardy running and sprinting alone up front counts for nothing if he doesn't have the support behind him. Albrighton and Okazaki especially were absolutely superb tonight which made Vardy's running actually effective.
ZeGuy Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 17 minutes ago, shen said: Hey Struwwelpeter. Go to bed, polish the salmon, get that bad blood out of your system and enjoy that we won convincingly against a top 5 team. What more would you have wanted from tonight? Did you actually want the team to lose so you would be vindicated for your views on the CR sacking? The salt level of some posters here is absolutely astonishing. Why not celebrate this victory and take it for what it is, especially after this week? Why play this wicked game? We'll see soon enough if it was just a false dawn.
HybridFox Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 I think it's a mixture of both. But not so clear cut out that the players simply stopped trying. The players seem to enjoy the high tempo pressing game. When it is deployed, they have that extra spring in their step. Claudio for whatever reason wanted to change the way we played but the players never seemed comfortable with it. But he also didn't have the bottle to change those players and we certainly didn't recruit well. His tinkering confused the matter further. Ultimately we were getting beat and as the run carried on, confidence clearly got worse. If you notice their performances in the early part of the season were still a little better than what we've been witnessing for the last few months. That's where the players come into it, defeat after defeat, they were probably so demotivated they thought whatever happens we're gonna lose anyway. Hence, lack of effort, loss of faith in tactics etc. Claudio simply couldn't motivate them anymore and its clear the dressing room couldn't be lifted. Shakey seems a popular figure behind the scenes and maybe the players have more faith him than Claudio at this stage. He also played the style they enjoy. Of course, that's my theory. I guess we'll never really know from the outside. But there was definitely more to the situation than simple lack of effort.
shen Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 8 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Not for the full season. He was coping through until mid-November - and the stick, particularly on here, started after that point. Pretend their decision making and extra commitment was tactics if you want, but it's blatantly not. I never said it was, Doc. I suggested it was a change of focus on mental preparation and sticking to the template that worked well last season. Give a few simple instructions, because these players just aren't good enough to incorporate other ways of playing. You could argue that professional footballers should be able to adapt, but this group of players know one way of getting the best out of eachother. We knew this from last season, but this has just been further emphasized. 5 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: We have been here before. After the Burnley game, after the Palace game and especially after the ManCity game. Can you still remember, or are you already too pissed? If we win against Hull, I will join the celebrations. Not before. You're really coming across as quite upset, even after a very good performance. I'm not pissed in any way of that word's meaning, but you seem to be. I can understand your apprehensive stance, but why would you not join in celebrations now? Why would a win against Hull win you over? Would you not dig at the players again for not playing like this under CR?
AKCJ Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 No. Poor results came through Ranieri's inability to remotivate the side and questionable starting XIs. Whether or not they spoke to Top or not... they play for LCFC not CRFC. They want the best for our club.
ManLikeVardy Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Nope. His outdated tactics were killing us.
Mease Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 1 hour ago, erlee said: the players do not appeared to have pressed HIGH tonight.. was i at another game? I think you were.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 4 minutes ago, shen said: Why would a win against Hull win you over? Very simple, mate. So far, in this season, we haven't won two in a row. I celebrated after the ManCity game. And what followed? You know: once bitten, twice shy!!!
Daggers Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 1 hour ago, Drygon said: Do you guys honestly think our players were purposefully crap to get Ranieri sacked? No. Ridiculous question. Next...
Max Wall Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 46 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: For Christ's sake, Ranieri was crucified here by many people for sticking to 442 in the early months of this season. Now, suddenly, the same people are praising CS for returning to it. What about logic??? According to the BBC Vardy has run this season as many km per game as last season, and he made even more sprints per game than last season. Before Ranieri was sacked. So much for shackling the players. Kudos to whoever invented the 'block' button.
Foxxed Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Yes. If by purposely crap you mean failing to put in enough commitment. King and Vardy's reactions in the Seville match convinced me of that. And I hate that they would fail to support their manager in such a way, with the aim of his removal. The problem is--depending on results at Hull, Arsenal and Sevilla--they may have been right to do so.
Callabinho Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 No way....Ranieri has himself to blame for his sacking....there is a theme to his career...... He clearly set us to contain and then attract, it never worked, Vardy went from chasing everything to nothing.....we sat back, never had any momentum and allowed teams to stroll through us easily. Tonight we set up just like last season, low and behold...... It's nothing to do with revolts and player power, it's as simple as they got stuck in a rut thanks to a mixture of poor tactics and a loss of belief.
Greenhill fox Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 1 hour ago, ZeGuy said: Sick of this shit. Can understand it from the bandwagonners jumping on the hate train as fast as they jumped on the hype one last season, but not from anyone who regularly watched us. The players wanted the high pressing, Ranieri not. They lost faith in him and were demoralized. Tonight back to the old tactics. They have been vilified this week and showed some pride. Let's see how it goes. Get behind the team! FFS. Bang on
shen Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 5 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Very simple, mate. So far, in this season, we haven't won two in a row. I celebrated after the ManCity game. And what followed? You know: once bitten, twice shy!!! I understand your apprehension, I do. We're still in neck deep, but surely you must be uplifted that we've put a performance in like the Man City one after many lacklustre shows this year. I would say we looked better today, bar Mahrez. Ndidi playing to this standard was the key factor. We also have Slimani to give us a good option instead of Okazaki (which worked so well notably against Man City). If we stay injury-free, I trust CS will get enough performances out of this team to keep us out of the relegation zone.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Callabinho said: a mixture of poor tactics and a loss of belief. Poor tactics? CS played tonight the same formation (442) and, with the exception of N'didi, the same line-up, that CR played for 95% of last season. CS is now here praised for doing so, while CR was pilloried here for playing that formation and that line-up. Sorry, but that is not logical.
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