Pentatonic Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Change in tactics and determination to set things right was the difference in today's game.
SpinneyHillRanger Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 No, vardy hinted at it post match.... They were doing everything they were asked to do. Ranieri wanted to change too many things and changed our mentality too much. It became too Italian and less English. Too tactical... Too much training. Ranieri literally wanted them to run less... He even hinted at that last year. Although last year we had the perfect balance between tactics and using our spirit/determination
The Doctor Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 I think it's part of it. The tactics were different in terms of the energy and pace, but there's a lot there that the players wouldn't do a few weeks ago when defending. Take Huth first half, stands up Lallana on the corner of the box then throws himself at the shot. A week ago he'd have dived in and given away a penalty - that sort of position on the halfway line he's done it twice this month and given away goals both times (Mkhitaryan and the freekick for Swanseas first), likewise Morgan cutting out a low ground cross rather than waving at it then turning and hiding when it's in the back of the net. I don't buy that playing a more pressing game improved decision making.
lifted*fox Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 These ****ing idiots on Sky don't have a clue what they're talking about do they?!
4everfox Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 12 minutes ago, Paddy. said: Combination of player attitude not being great combined with some serious flaws in the tactical approach employed by Claudio. I think if CR had stuck to what we're good at he'd still be in situ. If Ranieri had stuck to what we are good at all season not only would he still be in a job but we would be cruising to another European finish, somewhere between 2nd and 7th. I honestly believe that.
MC Prussian Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Claire on the RL post-match phone-in. Please hang up. Go to bed. Take a good bit of sleep and come back again tomorrow.
norwichfox Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Don't know, but I'll take the peaceful nights sleep I'm going to get for the first time after a match day for quite a while
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 If Ranieri had selected this starting-line up, he would have been torn apart in this forum. No Gray, no Benalouane, no Amartey, no Chilwell, still no Kapustka, but again Huth, Morgan and Fuchs. And ,not to forget, again 442. We had 33% possession. 33%!!! We had 5 corners, Liverpool had 12. This game was ManCity all over again. Another false dawn? The game against Hull, who also beat LFC by two, will show, if really something has changed. But that match will be much more difficult. Liverpool, like ManCity, played in our hands. Hull will park the bus and wait for their chance to counter-attack. I will get pissed, if we win that one. Not before.
StriderHiryu Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 17 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: The players wanted the high pressing, Ranieri not. They lost faith in him and were demoralized. Tonight back to the old tactics. They have been vilified this week and showed some pride. Let's see how it goes. It is looking like that from tonight's performance and is one of the big rumours doing the rounds. The strategy will lose us games some times. because it takes a lot out of the team. But as we saw last year it also allows us to punch well above our weight, and frankly as a fan is much more palatable to watch. I personally don't think the players were purposefully bad for Claudio. I don't think any one of them would look back at this week's actions with any satisfaction. However, it may well turn out to be the correct decision from the owners.
shen Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 13 minutes ago, irishmenfox said: Yes for me. You don't go from being that bad to being this good and like Gary Neville said it's not as if they have had much time on the training ground Listen... I asked last week what the heck the players were doing in training because you couldn't actually see any change in performance or style under Ranieri during the last four or five months. It matters what you do, not how much training you have. It was all about mental prep for this game with a couple of tactical instructions. Fall back to the trusted 4-4-2 setup of last season which everyone knows and don't shackle the players. It makes a lot of sense. 12 minutes ago, erlee said: the players do not appeared to have pressed HIGH tonight.. was i at another game? Apparently you were. The major difference was pressing in packs. Vardy was sprinting like mad, Okazaki set the tone early on. Albrighton was the Duracell bunny incarnated. All of our goals and chances came as a result of our aggressive and high pressing/quick counterattacking. 8 minutes ago, daz*dsb said: Jamie's post-match interview: "We've worked hard at what we were asked to do but it didn't come off." - That's a dig at Ranieri's tactics. Danny and Vardy both saying that Shakey said to go back to basics and for Jamie to press higher up the pitch. It's clear as day. Ranieri had these guys playing negative football and they were sick of it. If they pushed him out it was because he was stifling their football. I am absolutely 100% fine with this. I seriously think it's because this squad is very limited, not because they tried to oust him. We are not able to adapt to many different playing styles. We have one way of being effective and that's it. It's our strength and our achilles heel. Ranieri tried something different and it did not work. For one reason or another, he was reluctant to accept that and go back to basics. 3 minutes ago, The Doctor said: I think it's part of it. The tactics were different in terms of the energy and pace, but there's a lot there that the players wouldn't do a few weeks ago when defending. Take Huth first half, stands up Lallana on the corner of the box then throws himself at the shot. A week ago he'd have dived in and given away a penalty - that sort of position on the halfway line he's done it twice this month and given away goals both times (Mkhitaryan and the freekick for Swanseas first), likewise Morgan cutting out a low ground cross rather than waving at it then turning and hiding when it's in the back of the net. I don't buy that playing a more pressing game improved decision making. Morgan was a car crash during our first season up as well for 3/4 of the season until we solidified the midfield and gave our central defenders some protection. Ndidi was phenomenal today (bar a few sloppy losses of possession) and Drinkwater (after his goal) as well as Albrighton and Okazaki pretty much stifled and limited Liverpool's options making the defending far easier for Huth and Morgan. If they only have to deal with a limited number of threats, they know how to deal with them and as a result confidence grows. You let them get exposed and take them out of their comfort zone and you will see erratic behaviour on the pitch.
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 I'm just glad the owners finally bit the bullet. We've now a chance of staying up which I don't think we did have under Ranieri. I just hope it's not too late. It shouldn't be.
Kitchandro Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 I think tonight's game proves they did. Shakey picked the same twats we were begging Claudio to drop and suddenly they turned up and tried.
Leicesterpool Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 No not at all I think this season Claudio confused the players with the tactics, tonight it looks like Shakey got them back to basics and just look at the outcome.
shen Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 4 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: If Ranieri had selected this starting-line up, he would have been torn apart in this forum. No Gray, no Benalouane, no Amartey, no Chilwell, still no Kapustka, but again Huth, Morgan and Fuchs. And ,not to forget, again 442. We had 33% possession. 33%!!! We had 5 corners, Liverpool had 12. This game was ManCity all over again. Another false dawn? The game against Hull, who also beat LFC by two, will show, if really something has changed. But that match will be much more difficult. Liverpool, like ManCity, played in our hands. Hull will park the bus and wait for their chance to counter-attack. I will get pissed, if we win that one. Not before. Hey Struwwelpeter. Go to bed, polish the salmon, get that bad blood out of your system and enjoy that we won convincingly against a top 5 team. What more would you have wanted from tonight? Did you actually want the team to lose so you would be vindicated for your views on the CR sacking?
The Doctor Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 2 minutes ago, shen said: Morgan was a car crash during our first season up as well for 3/4 of the season until we solidified the midfield and gave our central defenders some protection. Ndidi was phenomenal today (bar a few sloppy losses of possession) and Drinkwater (after his goal) as well as Albrighton and Okazaki pretty much stifled and limited Liverpool's options making the defending far easier for Huth and Morgan. If they only have to deal with a limited number of threats, they know how to deal with them and as a result confidence grows. You let them get exposed and take them out of their comfort zone and you will see erratic behaviour on the pitch. Not true - Morgan did well that season up until QPR away, one of the few that wasn't a disaster during that run. Fell away dramatically after that game until the move to 3 at the back. They may have been pinned back well by Albrighton and Okazaki, but the decision making from them, and the commitment to make any last ditches (see Fuchs bloke at the death) was massively improved and that cannot just be put down to Okazaki playing.
pazzerfox Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 33 minutes ago, Paddy. said: Combination of player attitude not being great combined with some serious flaws in the tactical approach employed by Claudio. I think if CR had stuck to what we're good at he'd still be in situ. Probably the best post ever made on Foxestalk. Why did Claudio change what was the bedrock of our success. ..Bewildering!
Guest bennytwohats Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 It's not like Ranieri would have said to Vardy, don't win arial balls, and tonight Shakey said the opposite. Think there is probably something in both sides tbh These situations are always most certainly more complex than most of you care to appreciate.
Kitchandro Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 Just now, Leicesterpool said: No not at all I think this season Claudio confused the players with the tactics, tonight it looks like Shakey got them back to basics and just look at the outcome. By playing 4-4-2? So confusing. These tossers couldn't string a pass together or make a fvcking tackle a week ago. They couldn't raise a sprint. Now all of a sudden they look like world beaters.
LewFox Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 No one will ever know the full extent to what went on behind the scenes. Ever ever, even if we have people in the club or behind the scenes. So let's once again club together as one and support this wonderful football team. As you know we will never be boring!!
Jonno84 Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 I don't think it was there ambition to destroy the club to get the manager sacked like that no way.changes do strange things to player though
old koppite Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 No. Agree with most of posters on thread- players just gave it all from the kick off and kept it to what their known. oh, and I'm not a big SO fan, but let's not hear any nonsense that he hasn't got any skill- some of his touches , turns, and tricks were class first half; if only he could do them every match!
Leicesterpool Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 1 minute ago, Kitchandro said: By playing 4-4-2? So confusing. These tossers couldn't string a pass together or make a fvcking tackle a week ago. They couldn't raise a sprint. Now all of a sudden they look like world beaters. Who knows what was going on at the training ground.
STUHILL Posted 27 February 2017 Posted 27 February 2017 I think this is genuinely just a case of the player's reacting to all the negativity surrounding them after the sacking. I think they were just angry and fired up. The goal also helped and you could see confidence instantly returning. Looking forward to seeing how we do against Hull. If we can play with that tempo, then we should be too much for them, but if we concede early, then will the heads drop again? Great performance tonight and we will be OK, if we just manage to work as hard as that each game
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