Thracian Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39242707 Erdogan is a clever strategist and will expect to gain further ground/concessions as a result of his vitriol, and he holds a lot of cards. The Germans, Austrians and Dutch are to be commended for their stance but they'll bend in time. Erdogan won't stop til he gets what he wants. Always gets more than he gives - it's the art of a clever negotiator and exactly suits his philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelcfc Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 Seems he's making considerable gains on this forum too. He's everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 Blokes a nutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 One of a bunch of charismatic nationalists currently plying their power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claridge Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 Anyone who winds up the liberal elite is fine by me.keep up the right wing backlash against the pathetic petition signers. 'The times they are a 'changin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 8 minutes ago, Claridge said: Anyone who winds up the liberal elite is fine by me.keep up the right wing backlash against the pathetic petition signers. 'The times they are a 'changin' Indeed they are. Though I'm not sure widespread war and destruction (which is what the brand of nationalism Erdogan and various others purport leads to practically without fail) is a change that should be lauded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 10 minutes ago, Claridge said: Anyone who winds up the liberal elite is fine by me.keep up the right wing backlash against the pathetic petition signers. 'The times they are a 'changin' ... sang the liberal, hippy, folk singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliall Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 Didnt he play CB for Nigeria in the AFCON? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 12 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: ... sang the liberal, hippy, folk singer. I'm not sure old Bob had an autocratic religious conservative in power for over a decade in mind when he wrote the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 11 March 2017 Share Posted 11 March 2017 3 minutes ago, bovril said: I'm not sure old Bob had an autocratic religious conservative in power for over a decade in mind when he wrote the song. Nope, I think he was generalizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 If it's Holland v Turkey, or Europe v Turkey, we need to support Holland and Europe. I know Turkey are in NATO, and can threaten to send millions of Syrians our way, but if the world order is unraveling anyway, what's left of the West should stand up to the autocratic bully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 12 March 2017 Share Posted 12 March 2017 Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 14 March 2017 Author Share Posted 14 March 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39064657 Could there be any greater evidence of the cunning of the man and his determination to be in complete control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 Scary. This bloke is a bum'ole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 So lucky we didn't do a deal with this devil. Can you imagine the sway he would hold over Europe if he had control of the movements of hundreds of thousands of "refugees". Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 3 hours ago, Innovindil said: So lucky we didn't do a deal with this devil. Can you imagine the sway he would hold over Europe if he had control of the movements of hundreds of thousands of "refugees". Oh wait... It shows how disingenuous the Brexit campaign was when they claimed Turkey was being fast-tracked for EU membership. They are further away than ever, and will remain that way as long as Erdogan is in power. When will people realised that they were conned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 35 minutes ago, Buce said: It shows how disingenuous the Brexit campaign was when they claimed Turkey was being fast-tracked for EU membership. They are further away than ever, and will remain that way as long as Erdogan is in power. When will people realised that they were conned? Why are you bringing the brexit campaign up in a erdogan is a muppet thread? Turkey had little, if anything, to do with brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 3 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Why are you bringing the brexit campaign up in a erdogan is a muppet thread? Turkey had little, if anything, to do with brexit. Because Brexit and the shockwaves it is causing has everything to do with the rise of nationalism in Europe, and in countries that wanted to be in the EU. Like Turkey. (Also, it was used by the Brexit team as a reason to leave because "flood of Turkish immigrants if we stay in the EU and Turkey gets in!", as mentioned above.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 5 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Why are you bringing the brexit campaign up in a erdogan is a muppet thread? Turkey had little, if anything, to do with brexit. Your question is fair enough but your second sentence is corrected by the post you quoted, the leave campaign made it part of Brexit, no use pretending otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 15 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Why are you bringing the brexit campaign up in a erdogan is a muppet thread? Turkey had little, if anything, to do with brexit. Turkey had everything to do with Brexit, as Mac and Carl have explained. As disinformation goes, it's right up there with '£350 million to the NHS'. My in-laws voted for Brexit purely based on such scaremongering; I wonder how many others did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 1 hour ago, Buce said: Turkey had everything to do with Brexit, as Mac and Carl have explained. As disinformation goes, it's right up there with '£350 million to the NHS'. My in-laws voted for Brexit purely based on such scaremongering; I wonder how many others did? How many voted for remain based solely on remain scaremongering? House prices dropping through the floor? Emergency budgets? It's complete bull to keep rehashing the same debate. There were lies on both sides, what gives you the right to tell people one set of lies had a greater effect than the other? 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: Because Brexit and the shockwaves it is causing has everything to do with the rise of nationalism in Europe, and in countries that wanted to be in the EU. Like Turkey. (Also, it was used by the Brexit team as a reason to leave because "flood of Turkish immigrants if we stay in the EU and Turkey gets in!", as mentioned above.) Again. And again. And again. I don't give a flying ballsack what farage or borris said or did. A vote for brexit was not, and never will be, an agreement with them or anything they said. 1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said: Your question is fair enough but your second sentence is corrected by the post you quoted, the leave campaign made it part of Brexit, no use pretending otherwise. "little, IF anything" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 5 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Again. And again. And again. I don't give a flying ballsack what farage or borris said or did. A vote for brexit was not, and never will be, an agreement with them or anything they said. OK. Let's say what they said isn't important. The point regarding the attitudes towards Brexit being linked to the rise of nationalism in Europe still stands. It showed that those sentiments are on the rise everywhere, and could be used as a springboard for movements of a similar type across Europe. And similar sentiments clearly now exist in Turkey, too - as well as other places. It was a pretty obvious pointer before the event and a consequence afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: OK. Let's say what they said isn't important. The point regarding the attitudes towards Brexit being linked to the rise of nationalism in Europe still stands. It showed that those sentiments are on the rise everywhere, and could be used as a springboard for movements of a similar type across Europe. And similar sentiments clearly now exist in Turkey, too - as well as other places. It was a pretty obvious pointer before the event and a consequence afterwards. I'm fairly certain nationalistic views were on the rise before brexit was ever a possibility. Hell, they have been on the rise for a long time. It's not brexit's fault the EU wouldn't reform to suit the people, instead of trying to force the people to suit the EU. Although as a side note, I am incredibly apologetic that money money money doesn't make me go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 8 minutes ago, Innovindil said: I'm fairly certain nationalistic views were on the rise before brexit was ever a possibility. Hell, they have been on the rise for a long time. It's not brexit's fault the EU wouldn't reform to suit the people, instead of trying to force the people to suit the EU. Although as a side note, I am incredibly apologetic that money money money doesn't make me go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I agree. Hence my thought that the same nationalistic fervour driving Erdogan and his chums being one of the causes of Brexit, hence it being mentionable in this thread. I'm also of the opinion that the EU could have made all the concessions and reform it liked and it still wouldn't have been enough in some sectors, though that might be disagreed upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 14 March 2017 Share Posted 14 March 2017 37 minutes ago, Innovindil said: what gives you the right to tell people one set of lies had a greater effect than the other? Freedom of speech and expression, and the same right that you have to disagree. Last time I looked it was a discussion forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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