Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 The truth!!! Im sorry but this isn't a surprise. For the good of our club, he did need to go.
Fox92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 16 minutes ago, Babylon said: That would be true had he not been forced to accept all the backroom setup, training schedules, diets etc etc. I think the situation we had was fairly unusual really, as his influence was limited seemingly in quite a few areas. Anyway, I don't want to bash the bloke as he played as much a part as anyone else for me. A total group effort and just a perfect coming together of 100's of different things. He was the manager and he won us the league title. End of. Yes the stable platform was in place but even with that we should have been nowhere near top 6, never mind actually win the top flight for the first time in our history. As a manager, you take responsibility. I criticised Ranieri a lot this season - and rightly so - it was his responsibility we are in a relegation battle so on the other hand and keeping it rightly balanced I'm not going to take away his magnificent achievement.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 14 minutes ago, StanSP said: I don't think anyone isn't grateful for overseeing the title win. But it was down to Ranieri and everyone else at the club. Not just him. I do agree that he shouldn't be called a fraud, though. You don't get the reputation he earned by being a fraud. Apparently peps a fraud and look at what he's achieved
Fox92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 3 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Apparently peps a fraud and look at what he's achieved And Zidane. And Mourinho. People calling the guy that won us the top flight for the first time ever a "fraud". Even for FT that's a new low. When a sporting team wins something of course it's a team effort. That's what a team sport is. But the manager takes responsibility for it, after all, he's managed the players.
Babylon Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 18 minutes ago, Corky said: Few people have been more annoyed than me at the reaction to the sacking and I'm all for balance in this discussion. I don't agree with the way Ranieri has been called a fraud or had last season taken away from him and questioned, that's all. I don't disagree with the decision to change him as manager but won't believe he contributed very little as you have also said how well he reacted within games last season. I'm with you, i just think that's where the "anti" Raneri stuff stems from. It was around before or even on the bad run. People have pushed back against the rubbish coming our way but not known where to stop.
elvisfmcfly Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Can't take away what Ranieri did here last season however it was a collective effort from everyone at the club,This season however he was shit as he was good last and had to go,This season and last season are 2 totally separate situations and should be treated as such!
Thracian Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, the fox said: Loved this bit " "Shakespeare has the trust of the players," Leicester left-back Christian Fuchs said last week, and the Birmingham-born coach has been credited with rejuvenating the atmosphere at the training ground. That connection with the players is something Phillips - who was also coached by Shakespeare at West Brom - can confirm. "Shakey was very good at mixing with the players but never got too close," he said. "And I think that's really important. "He's got a streak about him, he wouldn't be afraid to dig someone out in front of the group if they did something wrong and that commands respect in the dressing room. "I've seen it over the years, when an assistant has been put in charge, there are certain players that might just try to take the mickey a little bit, thinking he's only here for a short period. But it certainly looks like he's gained the respect of the players and they've certainly responded to him." Best insight into the inner workings of Leicester City I've read and every word entirely believable, Confirms yet again the torrents of unresearched drivel written or spoken of by so many commentators, particularly since Ranieri's sacking.
Babylon Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 5 minutes ago, Fox92 said: He was the manager and he won us the league title. End of. Yes the stable platform was in place but even with that we should have been nowhere near top 6, never mind actually win the top flight for the first time in our history. As a manager, you take responsibility. I criticised Ranieri a lot this season - and rightly so - it was his responsibility we are in a relegation battle so on the other hand and keeping it rightly balanced I'm not going to take away his magnificent achievement. Well I hold the view that last season wasn't just about him just as this season isn't all about him
The Floyd Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Shakespeare has a huge future in the game, no doubt.
The Blur Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 8 minutes ago, elvisfmcfly said: Can't take away what Ranieri did here last season however it was a collective effort from everyone at the club,This season however he was shit as he was good last and had to go,This season and last season are 2 totally separate situations and should be treated as such! The last two previous posts preceding yours were pretty much saying that.
yorkie1999 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Shakespeare's always been the driving force behind what we've achieved, imo.
Guest MattP Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 None of this really surprised me. Shakespeare is clearly is a very very important man in our football club.
Koke Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 That's pretty damning. Phillips just went in. I feel sorry Ranieri cos he's a nice man but I hate this outside perception of him that he's flawless and faultless. He had problems and was to blame for a lot (not all) of the things that's gone wrong.
LanguedocFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: I've edited that for you, because it was never just about him. It's that kind of stuff that's spouted by the talking heads on tv who don't know our club. You got in before me . Ranieri was lucky to come into a club that was well-run, with a superb management team and sports-science set-up, and with a group of good, hard-working players. He did well to leave well alone, and his media skills made City the darling of the media and everyone else's favourite club. The fact that most people now hate our fvckin' guts and want us to get relegated is fine by me: feels like we're getting back to normal.
LanguedocFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 47 minutes ago, Fox92 said: He was the manager and he won us the league title. End of. Yes the stable platform was in place but even with that we should have been nowhere near top 6, never mind actually win the top flight for the first time in our history. As a manager, you take responsibility. I criticised Ranieri a lot this season - and rightly so - it was his responsibility we are in a relegation battle so on the other hand and keeping it rightly balanced I'm not going to take away his magnificent achievement. He didn't win us the league: he was in charge of a group of players and backroom staff who won us the league. And there is no telling what might have happened had someone else been our manager last season. We might not have won the league, but we certainly had the set-up in place to do so - and that was down to Pearson, not Ranieri.
RonnieTodger Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Whilst no-one wants to Claudio's name dragged through the mud, it's important that people realise what a good job Shakespeare does behind the scenes. People need to see a middle ground between snake emojis and labelling CR a fraud. He deserves every last plaudit he gets, but sacking him was 100% the right decision. People need to see that you can't have all the credit for winning the league, but take none of the blame for being in the mess that we were.
adejo92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Don't shoot the messenger but a friend knows somebody within the club that confirms the players DID meet the owners and that Fuchs was the biggest enemy of CR. Also states that a lot of strain was caused by none of Ranieri's staff speaking good english and Ranieri's insistance to use the GK coach he bought with him whos highest level of playing in his career was the 3rd tier of Italian football. Like i say, don't shoot the messenger. Personally, true or not, the right decision was made.
Fox92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 5 minutes ago, LanguedocFox said: He didn't win us the league: he was in charge of a group of players and backroom staff who won us the league. And there is no telling what might have happened had someone else been our manager last season. We might not have won the league, but we certainly had the set-up in place to do so - and that was down to Pearson, not Ranieri. You better tell Ferguson he didn't win all those league titles then. If you read my OP you'll see I said the set up was already in place. I am one of Pearson's biggest fans. BUT, as I said, even with all that we shouldn't have even been near winning the league.
LanguedocFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 minute ago, Fox92 said: You better tell Ferguson he didn't win all those league titles then. Fergusson built the Man U squads and backroom teams that won the titles, so deserves the credit. My point is that Ranieri came in to a club that had everything in place. I don't want to take anything away from him - but it is nonsense to suggest that he can take the credit for us winning the title. If that were the case, he'd have brought in better players than Musa and Hernandez.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 5 minutes ago, adejo92 said: Don't shoot the messenger but a friend knows somebody within the club that confirms the players DID meet the owners and that Fuchs was the biggest enemy of CR. Also states that a lot of strain was caused by none of Ranieri's staff speaking good english and Ranieri's insistance to use the GK coach he bought with him whos highest level of playing in his career was the 3rd tier of Italian football. Like i say, don't shoot the messenger. Personally, true or not, the right decision was made. The GK coach went back after a week. Kasper was the ring leader not Fuchs. A lot of truth in the rest of it.
davieG Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Hmmm so how influential was Shakespeare to Pearson's tenure?
adejo92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 minute ago, Abrasive fox said: The GK coach went back after a week. Kasper was the ring leader not Fuchs. A lot of truth in the rest of it. Perhaps it was the GK coach situation that rubbed Kasper up the wrong way to start with then. I wouldn't be suprised as Kasper is a very passionate player. I Dont know about ring leaders i was just told Fuchs was one of his biggest enemys. Again, i am sure the players adore him as a person, just not as a manager.
Fox92 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 3 minutes ago, LanguedocFox said: Fergusson built the Man U squads and backroom teams that won the titles, so deserves the credit. My point is that Ranieri came in to a club that had everything in place. I don't want to take anything away from him - but it is nonsense to suggest that he can take the credit for us winning the title. If that were the case, he'd have brought in better players than Musa and Hernandez. True. I didn't speak about building the club though. I said in my post you quoted that Pearson built the club. But, and my point was, you can't take away what Ranieri achieved. But I get with what you're saying and somewhat agree.
owen Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Feb 8th: "I think it's the right move to stand by him, and I like to think they will stick with him," said Phillips. "I agree with our gaffer (Derby manager Steve McClaren) that a statue should be put up of Ranieri." Make your mind up Kev.. http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/leicester-city-should-put-up-a-statue-of-claudio-ranieri-says-derby-coach-kevin-phillips/story-30121493-detail/story.html
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