TheSomersetFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Ranieri won us points on his own last year with what i assume were HIS tactical changes during games, and he handled the media beautifully. He didn't interfere too much and helped the entire club in winning this title. His part may have been somewhat overplayed but i'll always be thankful for what he did.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Shakey has still yet to prove himself. Two games are not enough to judge him, but I really hope he will.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 8 minutes ago, Nalis said: Fvcking hell, will we get a statue of the Leicester squad lifting the Premier League trophy with Shakey, Pearson, O'Neill, the tea lady and Rob Kelly included whilst Ranieri gets airbrushed out just to prove a point? Success has many fathers, but failure is always an orphan. The King is dead, long live the King. etc. The fairy tale is finally over and we all are back to normal football business and that isn't always very nice.
Bunyip Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, Countryfox said: So says ONE man ... and who knows what his motives are for saying that. Of course it wasn't all down to him but he was a big part of it ... can't we just celebrate what they achieved as a club and band of brothers together. We could , but then we would have nothing to discuss or argue about ?
Gerard Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: 1. A simple question: why has CS never before been given the manager job? I mean, the guy is 53. 2. CS is a lucky man. Tomorrows match will be his third home game in a row. Under CR we won 8 at home (5 in the PL, 3 in the CL). The KP was/is not our problem. 24 of our 27 points were won there. I will believe, that we have turned the corner, when we win at West Ham. 3. We are still only 3 points above the drop zone. Isn't it a little bit too early to celebrate and fantasise about winning the CL? Managing isn't a meritocracy, do you think Enrique and Zidane are the best managers in the world or got the job because they're ex players. Sometimes you just need your chance and no doubt many a potential brilliant manager never got his and we never heard of them.
NeilLCFC Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Amazes me how blinded some people are by Ranieri due to how good he was at handling the media last season. No employee would want to get rid of a good manager. Say what you want about players egos, but it's becoming more and more apparent, the majority of people who have been apart of the success we've enjoyed over the last few years, couldn't wait to see the back of CR. i don't for a second believe that so many people can be wrong about Ranieri. It's pretty evident that Ranieri gets far more credit than he deserves for his role in last season
st albans fox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 8 hours ago, NeilLCFC said: Amazes me how blinded some people are by Ranieri due to how good he was at handling the media last season. No employee would want to get rid of a good manager. Say what you want about players egos, but it's becoming more and more apparent, the majority of people who have been apart of the success we've enjoyed over the last few years, couldn't wait to see the back of CR. i don't for a second believe that so many people can be wrong about Ranieri. It's pretty evident that Ranieri gets far more credit than he deserves for his role in last season That's the general public and the wider media. We saw how tactically good we were last season (a huge change from the crap we saw the previous one). it was a wider team effort to achieve what we did, if wasn't the players, it wasn't the manager, it wasn't the back room staff, it wasn't the previous manager, it wasn't the atmosphere at the KP..........it was a combination of everything that came together in a season where none of the big boys were Impressive. Fed up of reading how 'it was the sun wot won it'. no need to diss the manger who presided over the greatest top level professional team achievement ever. sometimes there isn't an easy answer and there's no point searching for one. to me, the question should be what claudio was thinking about this season and next re his approach to us playing a less physically stressful pressing game. How can someone who seemed to make all the right calls last season make so many wrong ones this?
cambridgefox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 We won the title FFS. We won the title as a collective. We take failure as a collective. i have supported Leicester for 30 years and never ever expected to win the league.My life became complete last April. As I said it was a team effort from top to bottom.This includes Ranieri, and he should be respected for that.Silence should be a better option on this one rather than slating a man who helped us achieve the so called impossible.Even if there is truth in it. im sure some of you if you won the Euro millions would moan about interest rates.
MattCan Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 The only coach who won the league title in the 130 years history of the club. No one can take that from him.
Wymsey Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Just now, MattCan said: The only coach who won the league title in the 130 years history of the club. No one can take that from him. 'An Italian won us the league, you'll never sing that...'
Vardinio'sCat Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 8 hours ago, cheshamfox17 said: The problem for me, and I was thinking about fleshing this out into an article at some point, is that football punditry, commentary, even to be honest some fans (at every club) in english football especially is obsessed with the great man of history style analysis. We have had some giant manager like Sir Alex, Clough, Paisley, Shankley etc who built their clubs like empires so we have become stuck to this idea that one person can change the fortunes or the wills of a club and that they then deserve either all the credit or all the blame. We won the title because of, at a guess, 30-40 people, each playing different sized roles and contributing things (big or small) to the title, some of course deserve more credit that other but there are so so many reasons behind why a team does well and a team does badly. Recruitment, sports science, analysis, physio, coaching, tactical training so many things play a role, but of course its too easy for people to just put everything down to one person. So its easy for people to make it out like Ranieri won the title and deserves nearly all the credit when actually its a result of loads of things and people, the same as this season going badly is a result of lots of things Superb post. In this age of rampant individualism, we would do well to recognise that the greatest achievements in football, as in life, are made by teams of people working together.
Captain... Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, NeilLCFC said: Amazes me how blinded some people are by Ranieri due to how good he was at handling the media last season. No employee would want to get rid of a good manager. Say what you want about players egos, but it's becoming more and more apparent, the majority of people who have been apart of the success we've enjoyed over the last few years, couldn't wait to see the back of CR. i don't for a second believe that so many people can be wrong about Ranieri. It's pretty evident that Ranieri gets far more credit than he deserves for his role in last season Even if all he did last season was manager the media, then he did it perfectly he kept the pressure off the players generated this feel good factor around the club and with the fans and the players. His experience and media handling should not be underplayed. So many unfancied teams have fallen away after a great start, it is so easy to crack under the pressure. He managed the atmosphere around the club incredibly. He obviously did a lot more than that and was one vital cog in the machine along with Shakey, Walsh, the players, the fans, sports science dept, club psychologist, the owners... He was a vital cog, made even more evident by the chaos that happened when it stopped working with the other cogs. Everything else fell apart. Ranieri's tinkering in training last season may have annoyed Phillips and Shakey but may have had a positive impact on the players, kept them on their toes and maybe even taught them a few new things. Whatever anyone says about last season it all came together perfectly and everyone involved is a hero. Likewise those that are responsible for this seasons debacle should be held accountable.
TJB-fox Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 3 hours ago, NeilLCFC said: Amazes me how blinded some people are by Ranieri due to how good he was at handling the media last season. No employee would want to get rid of a good manager. Say what you want about players egos, but it's becoming more and more apparent, the majority of people who have been apart of the success we've enjoyed over the last few years, couldn't wait to see the back of CR. i don't for a second believe that so many people can be wrong about Ranieri. It's pretty evident that Ranieri gets far more credit than he deserves for his role in last season Oh shut up you total and utter moron. When we're back in league one with players like Ryan McGivern and someone like Gary Megson as manager you'll wish we had someone like Claudio. Being cynical to the one man that brought us so much success is ludicrous and stupid
Mezeker Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 There is some Trump level flip flopping on this forum. Should create an LCFC TV.
NeilLCFC Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 5 hours ago, TJB-fox said: Oh shut up you total and utter moron. When we're back in league one with players like Ryan McGivern and someone like Gary Megson as manager you'll wish we had someone like Claudio. Being cynical to the one man that brought us so much success is ludicrous and stupid Complete fool.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 Why can't everyone just leave it now. Ranieri should go down as the greatest manager in Leicesters history as he won us the league. 92% of supporters wanted Shakespeare to have the job and it is now his to lose. Let's get behind him and the team and hope to see them create more impossible dreams tonight and beyond. What has happened has happened. The king is dead. Long live the new king.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 15 hours ago, Moksky said: I am tired of the discredit Raneri is receiving. In football not everyone agrees, and the gaffer has to make a choice based on what he believes. He had to do this on numerous occasions, and did so last season which ultimately won the us the greatest prize we will ever see. That single minedness of your following only your own opinion is not always wrong, he had experience, you may call it pigheadedness, but sometimes it gets you through and it can be pure genious. He took on board what others thought last season, evidently perhaps not this. As they say you can fall on your own sword, which is what happened in the end, but I wish people would not try to discredit him. Ranieri himself has never said he won the title, he has credited everyone, as that what is takes, he is showing his decorum. Philips sees things from his aspect, but he wasnt there for the course distance, and we all only witnessed changes in games that Claudio made, that won us games, his unflappable handling of the pressure and the media, endearing the whole football community to Leicester to win the title. Hence the less knowledgable football audience , and idiotic pundits to feel sorry for sacking blaming our owners and some of us fans. That very reason for him being the puppetmaster of the title win , was ulitmately also his undoing - however he did guide us to the title. Superb post
The Doctor Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 9 hours ago, st albans fox said: to me, the question should be what claudio was thinking about this season and next re his approach to us playing a less physically stressful pressing game. How can someone who seemed to make all the right calls last season make so many wrong ones this? That seems fairly obvious - he thought (correctly) we couldn't play like last season without a kante like figure and tried to change the style while still being sentimental to the title winners who played that way. He got himself pinned between pragmatism and sentimentality, achieving neither as a result.
Number 6 Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 8 hours ago, Captain... said: Even if all he did last season was manager the media, then he did it perfectly he kept the pressure off the players generated this feel good factor around the club and with the fans and the players. This was his biggest contribution for me. He absolutely nailed it. 40 point 40 point. Even when it was clear we were in the hunt we had the "Champions League dilly ding dilly dong" moment. Even more beautiful when he eventually declared us in the title race. Magnificent and shouldn't be undervalued as to how important it was.
Bunyip Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 10 hours ago, st albans fox said: That's the general public and the wider media. We saw how tactically good we were last season (a huge change from the crap we saw the previous one). it was a wider team effort to achieve what we did, if wasn't the players, it wasn't the manager, it wasn't the back room staff, it wasn't the previous manager, it wasn't the atmosphere at the KP..........it was a combination of everything that came together in a season where none of the big boys were Impressive. Fed up of reading how 'it was the sun wot won it'. no need to diss the manger who presided over the greatest top level professional team achievement ever. sometimes there isn't an easy answer and there's no point searching for one. to me, the question should be what claudio was thinking about this season and next re his approach to us playing a less physically stressful pressing game. How can someone who seemed to make all the right calls last season make so many wrong ones this? That's easy to answer. He inherited a team that was excellent at playing a physical game ( a team and tactics he had no input on ) All he had to do was tweak the subs and play the affable grandad to the press. This season he tried to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. He was telling the players to play a game the complete opposite to what made them so successful last season , that coupled with the appalling summer recruitment left them baffled and angry. It was evident from that match at Wembley that all was not well. In short he got ambition mixed up with ability and got found out . In fact had we not won the league last season he would have got the bullit much earlier with the awful football and results suffered under him this season. The last two games have been self evidential as where the problem lay , the owners saw it and must have heard it from the players , and in my opinion took the right course to ensure this club future success.Time now to move on and get behind the team and Shakespeare. Be grateful for last season by all means ( it will never happen again ) but be thankful he was not given anymore time to get us relegated.
TJB-fox Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 6 hours ago, NeilLCFC said: Complete fool. Are you mad? Yes Shakespeare contributed, yes Pearson did, yes Walsh did, why aren't you digging them out? This Ranieri hunt is absolutely bizzarre, we're ****ing Leicester city and when we won the PREMIER LEAGUE HE WAS MANAGER. We're not Barca or Chelsea, who win the league and easily dispose of managers. This is a once in a lifetime situation, I'm just glad most of our fans aren't as thick as you, because he deserves to be treated with far more respect than you're giving him.
Fox92 Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 I cannot believe we have a fan base where the man the delivered our only top flight title is getting aimed at, and the man that built the platform and dragged us from the third tier to the top tier also gets aimed at. Both should get the respect they deserve.
Leamington Fox Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 17 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Success has many fathers, but failure is always an orphan. The King is dead, long live the King. etc. The fairy tale is finally over and we all are back to normal football business and that isn't always very nice. How can you say the fairy tale is over and we are back to normal on the day we potentially move to the quarter finals of the Champions League? The fairy tale is about the club and not just the club plus Ranieiri.
TJB-fox Posted 14 March 2017 Posted 14 March 2017 26 minutes ago, Fox92 said: I cannot believe we have a fan base where the man the delivered our only top flight title is getting aimed at, and the man that built the platform and dragged us from the third tier to the top tier also gets aimed at. Both should get the respect they deserve. Exactly this. Absolutely bizzarre. Don't see why people would feel the need to
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