LanguedocFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 2 minutes ago, Fox92 said: True. I didn't speak about building the club though. I said in my post you quoted that Pearson built the club. But, and my point was, you can't take away what Ranieri achieved. But I get with what you're saying and somewhat agree. Oh well, if you're going to agree with me, you can fvck off.
lgfualol Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 16 minutes ago, adejo92 said: Don't shoot the messenger but a friend knows somebody within the club that confirms the players DID meet the owners and that Fuchs was the biggest enemy of CR. Also states that a lot of strain was caused by none of Ranieri's staff speaking good english and Ranieri's insistance to use the GK coach he bought with him whos highest level of playing in his career was the 3rd tier of Italian football. Like i say, don't shoot the messenger. Personally, true or not, the right decision was made. It was telling that Fuchs, the biggest attention-seeker in the squad, didn't post anything about Ranieri going in a #nofuchsgiven tshirt. I know nobody likes to say the players were playing badly on purpose, but the transformation of Fuchs going from looking like an old man to two of his best games in a Leicester shirt was funny to me. Could it be something to do with Chilwell getting more game time?
RowlattsFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Its becoming very apparent that Ranieri isn't as popular behind the scenes as he is in front of the camera. Its a shame its all going a bit bitter with everyone trying to claim a bit of credit or rubbishing someone elses importance. Amazing that we could be so successful with so much going on behind the scenes.
fuchsntf Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 So, when all goes tits up for Shakey, does that mean It was never Pearson, Shakey, Ranieri, Shakey.... The last 4 seasons ...It was the boot boys and the tea Lady, with the Birch doing fitness training.. Alfred Hitchcock..lives.!!! I have an idea for a new board game..its called "Football Cluedo". Each new game brings a new "Who really did do it" ????...
Long Eaton Fox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 What a back stabbing creep Kevin Phillips is. Pisses off to further his own career then starts slagging off Ranieri when he's sacked by direby in order to grovel to Shakespear to try and get his job back. Wouldn't want him back in the trenches with us.
Babylon Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, Fox92 said: Yes the stable platform was in place but even with that we should have been nowhere near top 6, never mind actually win the top flight for the first time in our history Past history said we shouldn't, but the most recent history being the last third of Pearson's reign says we had a team capable of doing something pretty good... and that's before adding perhaps the best player in our history in Kante as well as others. That's over a third of a season, no small sample by any means.
sphericalfox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 11 minutes ago, owen said: Feb 8th: "I think it's the right move to stand by him, and I like to think they will stick with him," said Phillips. "I agree with our gaffer (Derby manager Steve McClaren) that a statue should be put up of Ranieri." Make your mind up Kev.. http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/leicester-city-should-put-up-a-statue-of-claudio-ranieri-says-derby-coach-kevin-phillips/story-30121493-detail/story.html Wasn't pitching for a job then. All this overegging Ranieri is as wrong as overegging Shakey. It's not ****ing Pancake Day! This boys club bullshit will come to a head when Shakey and the team's favored one-trick pony runs out of steam. Did Shakey have a plan B under Pearson, or was he not allowed to influence the tactics? It'll do until the end of the season as with momentum it'll keep us treading water. I quite liked Phillips, but this leaves a bit of a nasty taste in me mooth...
cheshamfox17 Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 The problem for me, and I was thinking about fleshing this out into an article at some point, is that football punditry, commentary, even to be honest some fans (at every club) in english football especially is obsessed with the great man of history style analysis. We have had some giant manager like Sir Alex, Clough, Paisley, Shankley etc who built their clubs like empires so we have become stuck to this idea that one person can change the fortunes or the wills of a club and that they then deserve either all the credit or all the blame. We won the title because of, at a guess, 30-40 people, each playing different sized roles and contributing things (big or small) to the title, some of course deserve more credit that other but there are so so many reasons behind why a team does well and a team does badly. Recruitment, sports science, analysis, physio, coaching, tactical training so many things play a role, but of course its too easy for people to just put everything down to one person. So its easy for people to make it out like Ranieri won the title and deserves nearly all the credit when actually its a result of loads of things and people, the same as this season going badly is a result of lots of things
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 2 hours ago, AKCJ said: I don't like people throwing mud at Ranieri like this What he did at this football club was utterly sensational and we all owe the best day of our Leicester City supporting lives to him. Yep absolutely agree
LanguedocFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 In that piece about Phillips, there's an embedded video from Sunday Supplement with an interesting throwaway comment from Jonathan Northcroft saying that the players are very happy to have Shakespeare in charge, though would have preferred Pearson to come back.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 33 minutes ago, adejo92 said: Perhaps it was the GK coach situation that rubbed Kasper up the wrong way to start with then. I wouldn't be suprised as Kasper is a very passionate player. I Dont know about ring leaders i was just told Fuchs was one of his biggest enemys. Again, i am sure the players adore him as a person, just not as a manager. It was pretty obvious for a lot of last season as well that he and Fuchs weren't best buds, lots of disagreements on the sideline.
LanguedocFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 22 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: What a back stabbing creep Kevin Phillips is. Pisses off to further his own career then starts slagging off Ranieri when he's sacked by direby in order to grovel to Shakespear to try and get his job back. Wouldn't want him back in the trenches with us. I think you should stop beating about the bush, and say what you really mean.
LcFc_Smiv Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 2 minutes ago, cheshamfox17 said: The problem for me, and I was thinking about fleshing this out into an article at some point, is that football punditry, commentary, even to be honest some fans (at every club) in english football especially is obsessed with the great man of history style analysis. We have had some giant manager like Sir Alex, Clough, Paisley, Shankley etc who built their clubs like empires so we have become stuck to this idea that one person can change the fortunes or the wills of a club and that they then deserve either all the credit or all the blame. We won the title because of, at a guess, 30-40 people, each playing different sized roles and contributing things (big or small) to the title, some of course deserve more credit that other but there are so so many reasons behind why a team does well and a team does badly. Recruitment, sports science, analysis, physio, coaching, tactical training so many things play a role, but of course its too easy for people to just put everything down to one person. So its easy for people to make it out like Ranieri won the title and deserves nearly all the credit when actually its a result of loads of things and people, the same as this season going badly is a result of lots of things Absolutely spot on, what most people seem to forget is a good number of those people had been part of our club for a good few years where we were developing successfully as a club. I get that Phillips is probably pitching for a job and understand some of the comments towards him, but in the same vein we have had the media, pundits, former players, managers and fans digging for anything to throw at us, and it appears to be coming back at them as the truth prevails more and more. How many times in the first half of last season did we come from behind after we started with some questionable line ups/players not looking like they knew their roles, then we changed up our tactics, made some substitutions and we were back to playing how we did in the manner of the great escape. People on here won't like it but it's easy to see some truth in these stories, that tactically and as a coach he wasn't all that. Rumours about him sidelining the sport science department more this year are justifiable when you look at how unfit and lethargic we appeared going into the start of the season after his first full off-season and pre-season with is, the ICC didn't help but if you restrict the role of what they do, then it's going to be very hard to get the most out of players given the extra matches and travelling.
elvisfmcfly Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 1 hour ago, The Blur said: The last two previous posts preceding yours were pretty much saying that. No!
davieG Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 21 minutes ago, cheshamfox17 said: The problem for me, and I was thinking about fleshing this out into an article at some point, is that football punditry, commentary, even to be honest some fans (at every club) in english football especially is obsessed with the great man of history style analysis. We have had some giant manager like Sir Alex, Clough, Paisley, Shankley etc who built their clubs like empires so we have become stuck to this idea that one person can change the fortunes or the wills of a club and that they then deserve either all the credit or all the blame. We won the title because of, at a guess, 30-40 people, each playing different sized roles and contributing things (big or small) to the title, some of course deserve more credit that other but there are so so many reasons behind why a team does well and a team does badly. Recruitment, sports science, analysis, physio, coaching, tactical training so many things play a role, but of course its too easy for people to just put everything down to one person. So its easy for people to make it out like Ranieri won the title and deserves nearly all the credit when actually its a result of loads of things and people, the same as this season going badly is a result of lots of things This is like it is in business though, it's always the top guy(s) that get the rewards, enhanced pension, fat bonuses, hefty increase in salary whilst the plebs get nothing or the minimum because 'without them there'd be no success'!
LittlethorpeFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 I think without Kante (who CR had to be convinced to buy as we all know). Ranieiri could have took us down last season. Or at least took is near the drop and got the sack. When you look back on it Ranieiri got one of the best management jobs there is in football as most managers come in due to poor performance of a previous manager and inherit a team out of form and confidence. As NP was sacked for non footballing reasons CR walked into the form team in the country - can't think of another manager who took on such a succesful squad, maybe Moyes at MUFC but he had some act to follow and the squad has just peaked and was on the way down.
ousefox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 33 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said: It was pretty obvious for a lot of last season as well that he and Fuchs weren't best buds, lots of disagreements on the sideline. I always thought people were going over the top when they said it was disrespectful of Fuchs to pour champagne on him during that press conference. Maybe we can read something into that.
Merging Cultures Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 52 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: So, when all goes tits up for Shakey, does that mean It was never Pearson, Shakey, Ranieri, Shakey.... The last 4 seasons ...It was the boot boys and the tea Lady, with the Birch doing fitness training.. Alfred Hitchcock..lives.!!! I have an idea for a new board game..its called "Football Cluedo". Each new game brings a new "Who really did do it" ????... As much as I think Shakey is highly central to our success, I think after he keeps us up he should move on, but that's only for his career and not for our future success. If we went to shit again next year his head will be on the block and it will look awful for his CV. If I were him I'd run as soon as he keeps us up, as it can be attributed to him being in charge. CR should have done the same after last season. Personally, I'd like him to stay on and build, but I wouldn't if I were him.
Countryfox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 3 hours ago, lgfualol said: Kev gunning for assistant manager job Or Kev just gunning for Ranieri
HybridFox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Found this quite a read to be honest. And could easily picture the scenario happening. Although it feels a bit uneasy that all these stories are coming out now. Part of me actually doesn't want to know the inside details out of respect for Claudio. That said, I'd take back Kevin Phillips and Chris Powell in a heartbeat. Great coaches
Outfox the Fox Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 3 hours ago, lgfualol said: Kev gunning for assistant manager job 3 hours ago, brookfox said: Not doubting it's true but the cynic in me thinks... McLaren sacked on the Sunday, his backroom staff likely to follow, Phillips releases newsworthy story on the Monday to raise his profile... seems a bit too much of a coincidence! Yes, but Phillips is still employed by Derby. If he wants to come back to City, he will either have to resign, or be sacked. Perhaps Rowett will sack him?
Koke Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Ranieri is as responsible for last season's success as he is for this season's debacle.
Foxxed Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 Shakey was with the England team for the start of this season. Perhaps the Ranieri missed him more than we realised. And by the time Shakey returned the relationship between the team and Ranieri may have been beyond repair. It's tempting to say it was all Skakey, which is patently ridiculous. But you could see the horrific team spirit in King and Vardy's face in the first Sevilla match. And Shakey has been credited with creating just the opposite. Either that or Kevin Phillips wants some easy publicity.
Moksky Posted 13 March 2017 Posted 13 March 2017 I am tired of the discredit Raneri is receiving. In football not everyone agrees, and the gaffer has to make a choice based on what he believes. He had to do this on numerous occasions, and did so last season which ultimately won the us the greatest prize we will ever see. That single minedness of your following only your own opinion is not always wrong, he had experience, you may call it pigheadedness, but sometimes it gets you through and it can be pure genious. He took on board what others thought last season, evidently perhaps not this. As they say you can fall on your own sword, which is what happened in the end, but I wish people would not try to discredit him. Ranieri himself has never said he won the title, he has credited everyone, as that what is takes, he is showing his decorum. Philips sees things from his aspect, but he wasnt there for the course distance, and we all only witnessed changes in games that Claudio made, that won us games, his unflappable handling of the pressure and the media, endearing the whole football community to Leicester to win the title. Hence the less knowledgable football audience , and idiotic pundits to feel sorry for sacking blaming our owners and some of us fans. That very reason for him being the puppetmaster of the title win , was ulitmately also his undoing - however he did guide us to the title.
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