General Election, June 8th

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Actually they do not. I really think our electorate might be to deluded by the promise of lots of free things that cant be paid for.

 

There are many, many failings in Tory policy, but at least what they are trying to do is sustainable and workable long term.

 

Employing 20k new police tomorrow will make no difference. Response time was world class, whether the Police are underfunded and the reasons behind that are a different matter. As are the ACTUAL sustainable solutions.......not involving made up money we don't have.

 

 

Really? So consistently going after Corbyn regarding the IRA thing (while conveniently avoiding mentioning the various Saudi deals) is just a sideline for the Tories then?

 

People lose their heads over emotive issues like that, and so it's always going to be something politicians will use - especially in the current climate. People doze off when you mention the economy and what money should be spent where (unless they have a personal stake in it), but speak the words "OMGZ TERRORIST" and suddenly they're wide awake. It's a fantastic dog-whistle and the Tories know that.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

8 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

 

 

Looking down that list, May only voted for a couple more than Corbyn did. And I imagine the objection came from detention without charge and invasive policies. Personally I disagree with his voting in the Terrorism Act 2000 but other than that I can see his reasoning. Calling him a terrorist sympathiser off the back of that, however, is ludicrous.

 

Meanwhile, Amber Rudd shut down an independent speaker over the government's involvement with the Saudis, I can't be bothered to go over the government's involvement with a terrorism exporter for a fifth time because it's becoming more and more obvious.

A couple more is a couple more, I don't necessarily agree with Mays stance either. Everyone should have been implemented fully, maybe now we would have 30-40 dead people.

 

If people are plotting to kill us then we should detain them, and we should invade their privacy, they should know there is nowhere to hide.

 

The man is a liability. He supports terrorism, he is friends with the IRA and Hezbollah, his loyalties and intentions are absolutely clear. The man is disgusting.

 

A labour party member called terrorists ''freedom fighters' at the weekend, unbelievable and rotten to the core.

 

There is a lot of dodgy stuff regarding the Saudi's that has gone on for many years and I don't see any evidence of Labour stopping that.

 

 

[Finnaldo]

1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said:

Actually they do not. I really think our electorate might be to deluded by the promise of lots of free things that cant be paid for.

 

There are many, many failings in Tory policy, but at least what they are trying to do is sustainable and workable long term.

 

Employing 20k new police tomorrow will make no difference. Response time was world class, whether the Police are underfunded and the reasons behind that are a different matter. As are the ACTUAL sustainable solutions.......not involving made up money we don't have.

 

So we're choosing between a Tory government  who are looking to whittle us down under the guise of 'times are tough and spending and stimulating the economy won't work' whilst they asset strip the NHS and selll it off to their mates in private healthcare, or alternatively vote for a Labour government that'll look to invest in several key areas and introduce popular nationalisation policy, who may be overconfident with spending but can simply compromise and reduce the scope of their policy if it's intangible.

 

In this case, I'm going to go with optimism. This country and our rights as citizens weren't won by deciding the status quo was good enough because 'times are tough'.

[RobHawk]

9 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

A couple more is a couple more, I don't necessarily agree with Mays stance either. Everyone should have been implemented fully, maybe now we would have 30-40 dead people.

 

If people are plotting to kill us then we should detain them, and we should invade their privacy, they should know there is nowhere to hide.

 

The man is a liability. He supports terrorism, he is friends with the IRA and Hezbollah, his loyalties and intentions are absolutely clear. The man is disgusting.

 

A labour party member called terrorists ''freedom fighters' at the weekend, unbelievable and rotten to the core.

 

There is a lot of dodgy stuff regarding the Saudi's that has gone on for many years and I don't see any evidence of Labour stopping that.

 

 

Pretty sure foxin_mad is plotting to kill this thread - can someone please detain him? 

[Finnaldo]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

A couple more is a couple more, I don't necessarily agree with Mays stance either. Everyone should have been implemented fully, maybe now we would have 30-40 dead people.

 

If people are plotting to kill us then we should detain them, and we should invade their privacy, they should know there is nowhere to hide.

 

The man is a liability. He supports terrorism, he is friends with the IRA and Hezbollah, his loyalties and intentions are absolutely clear. The man is disgusting.

 

A labour party member called terrorists ''freedom fighters' at the weekend, unbelievable and rotten to the core.

 

There is a lot of dodgy stuff regarding the Saudi's that has gone on for many years and I don't see any evidence of Labour stopping that.

 

 

 

That's a big IF to throw someone into a cell without charge.

 

Imagine for a minute you were suspected on terror charges, wrongfully, and you were detained for 90 days with no charge presented. 

 

You come out with no job, distrust from your family and friends with nowhere to turn.

 

Would you want that legislation to go through?

 

In terms of the IRA, I've had many a saga with Webbo on the fact he was a proponent for Irish republicanism, which is a stance he's free to take, and condemned their bombing campaigns, while this was all 20-30 years ago. 

 

Hezbollah & Hamas he called friends as it was in accords to broker peace. He's since apologised for using such words. Has he made stupid mistakes? Yes. 

 

However, the only action the Tories have action on their dealings with Tories is to censor opposition. Do you not find that worrying?

[Guest Foxin_mad]

I think you will find most of it is intangible, they will have to reduce a lot of the scope of their policy the tax figures will never add up, their welfare bill will b bigger due to mass job losses. Their manifesto just isn't workable in the real world.

 

Spending money we don't have to stimulate the economy? to do what exactly? Build more over priced schools and hospitals with 'approved contractors'?

 

Again the asset striping of the NHS is a nonsense peddled for the last 7 it will always be here, it may need to change and become more efficient but it will remain.

 

I am not sure how popular nationalisation will be when the Unions are in power, always on strike, no trains, no jobs, rubbish stacking up on the streets, dead bodies unburied, power cuts.......back to 1979

 

I would rather keep my job, keep paying off our debts and have a country that functions.

[ramboacdc]

1 minute ago, Foxin_mad said:

I think you will find most of it is intangible, they will have to reduce a lot of the scope of their policy the tax figures will never add up, their welfare bill will b bigger due to mass job losses. Their manifesto just isn't workable in the real world.

 

Spending money we don't have to stimulate the economy? to do what exactly? Build more over priced schools and hospitals with 'approved contractors'?

 

Again the asset striping of the NHS is a nonsense peddled for the last 7 it will always be here, it may need to change and become more efficient but it will remain.

 

I am not sure how popular nationalisation will be when the Unions are in power, always on strike, no trains, no jobs, rubbish stacking up on the streets, dead bodies unburied, power cuts.......back to 1979

 

I would rather keep my job, keep paying off our debts and have a country that functions.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your job?

[Guest Foxin_mad]

1 minute ago, Finnaldo said:

 

That's a big IF to throw someone into a cell without charge.

 

Imagine for a minute you were suspected on terror charges, wrongfully, and you were detained for 90 days with no charge presented. 

 

You come out with no job, distrust from your family and friends with nowhere to turn.

 

Would you want that legislation to go through?

 

In terms of the IRA, I've had many a saga with Webbo on the fact he was a proponent for Irish republicanism, which is a stance he's free to take, and condemned their bombing campaigns, while this was all 20-30 years ago. 

 

Hezbollah & Hamas he called friends as it was in accords to broker peace. He's since apologised for using such words. Has he made stupid mistakes? Yes. 

 

However, the only action the Tories have action on their dealings with Tories is to censor opposition. Do you not find that worrying?

There would have to be reasonable suspicion to throw someone in jail like visiting ISIS websites, raising ISIS flags, showing clear support for them, obviously it wouldn't just happen for no reason.

 

I find the dealings of the world worrying but sometimes things are done for certain reasons, obviously their are agreements between the West and the Saudis I am not sure what the impact would be of no longer dealing with them, personally I find Corbyn a lot more of a worry.

[Finnaldo]

Just now, Foxin_mad said:

I think you will find most of it is intangible, they will have to reduce a lot of the scope of their policy the tax figures will never add up, their welfare bill will b bigger due to mass job losses. Their manifesto just isn't workable in the real world.

 

Spending money we don't have to stimulate the economy? to do what exactly? Build more over priced schools and hospitals with 'approved contractors'?

 

Again the asset striping of the NHS is a nonsense peddled for the last 7 it will always be here, it may need to change and become more efficient but it will remain.

 

I am not sure how popular nationalisation will be when the Unions are in power, always on strike, no trains, no jobs, rubbish stacking up on the streets, dead bodies unburied, power cuts.......back to 1979

 

I would rather keep my job, keep paying off our debts and have a country that functions.

 

Why will job losses occur, I'm presuming because you think countries will move abroad to countries with lower corporation tax? Well that won't happen because we'd still have one of the lowest corporation taxes going. So that's not true.

 

Austerity has benefitted no-one in the last seven years, so why should we continue to cut? By spending we're taking a proactive role in boosting the economy and creating real jobs, especially in the trades rather than apprenticeships in shelf-stacking and zero hour contracts treating people like slaves at Sports Direct.

 

I'm not even commenting on the 1979 comments because it's unfounded nonsense being peddled by Tories to cover up their sh!t-show vision of Britain post-Brexit.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

There would have to be reasonable suspicion to throw someone in jail like visiting ISIS websites, raising ISIS flags, showing clear support for them, obviously it wouldn't just happen for no reason.

 

I find the dealings of the world worrying but sometimes things are done for certain reasons, obviously their are agreements between the West and the Saudis I am not sure what the impact would be of no longer dealing with them, personally I find Corbyn a lot more of a worry.

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Then perhaps a little more of a look at such things might not be a bad idea, so as to see why the comparison is being made here?

[Finnaldo]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

There would have to be reasonable suspicion to throw someone in jail like visiting ISIS websites, raising ISIS flags, showing clear support for them, obviously it wouldn't just happen for no reason.

 

I find the dealings of the world worrying but sometimes things are done for certain reasons, obviously their are agreements between the West and the Saudis I am not sure what the impact would be of no longer dealing with them, personally I find Corbyn a lot more of a worry.

 

None of that was part of legislation, raising ISIS flags should be an offence, as I posted in the London thread, but that's not covered under those anti-terror laws. 

 

There shouldn't be agreements with the Saudis full stop. You cannot denounce the weak link between Corbyn and Hamas/Hezbollah and not be disgusted by the fact we're giving a platform to a state that harbours Wahhabi and Salafist idealogues who send funding to the likes of ISIS and extremist Mosques in the West. The fact Rudd is so keen to shut down talk on this is an indication on how seriously you should be taking this.

[RobHawk]

Are you guys still bothering? Clearly a troll! Wouldn't surprise me if it was another incarnation of Moose

[Buce]

16 minutes ago, ramboacdc said:

If you don't mind me asking, what is your job?

 

Economist, of course.

[Buce]

Just now, RobHawk said:

Are you guys still bothering? Clearly a troll! Wouldn't surprise me if it was another incarnation of Moose

 

Nah, for all his faults, Moose had a brain.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

1 minute ago, Finnaldo said:

 

Why will job losses occur, I'm presuming because you think countries will move abroad to countries with lower corporation tax? Well that won't happen because we'd still have one of the lowest corporation taxes going. So that's not true.

 

Austerity has benefitted no-one in the last seven years, so why should we continue to cut? By spending we're taking a proactive role in boosting the economy and creating real jobs, especially in the trades rather than apprenticeships in shelf-stacking and zero hour contracts treating people like slaves at Sports Direct.

 

I'm not even commenting on the 1979 comments because it's unfounded nonsense being peddled by Tories to cover up their sh!t-show vision of Britain post-Brexit.

Job losses will occur. Companies will move to more productive countries, with less union intervention, in the Eurozone. The putative taxes on the rich will drive top banks and top professionals abroad and destroy our economy.

 

In 2010 corporation tax was higher, there were less jobs, it is a fact.

 

We have a growing economy, we are clearing our deficit and high employment levels.

 

How will spending money we don't have 'boost the economy' and 'create real jobs' in trades? how are Labour doing that by spending money on the public sector? by sending every tom dick and harry to Uni to get a Phycology degree for free? By nationalising things?

 

I cant see it.

[RobHawk]

Just now, Buce said:

 

Nah, for all his faults, Moose had a brain.

Moose did! Some of his other incarnations didn't - he would literally act and say whatever to get a response. 

[Finnaldo]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Job losses will occur. Companies will move to more productive countries, with less union intervention, in the Eurozone. The putative taxes on the rich will drive top banks and top professionals abroad and destroy our economy.

 

In 2010 corporation tax was higher, there were less jobs, it is a fact.

 

We have a growing economy, we are clearing our deficit and high employment levels.

 

How will spending money we don't have 'boost the economy' and 'create real jobs' in trades? how are Labour doing that by spending money on the public sector? by sending every tom dick and harry to Uni to get a Phycology degree for free? By nationalising things?

 

I cant see it.

 

We're literally one of the most unproductive countries already, perhaps a level of Union representation could help change that?

[Guest Foxin_mad]

3 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

Are you guys still bothering? Clearly a troll! Wouldn't surprise me if it was another incarnation of Moose

 

4 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Nah, for all his faults, Moose had a brain.

Ahh the kinder caring politics in action once again. Momentum members are we.

 

You disagree and cant debate like an adult so you result to name calling....pathetic

 

Sorry perhaps I should go back to the school of Labour Party miss information -  my mistake.

[Buce]

 

YouGov poll has Labour just three points behind the Tories.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/may/08/general-election-2017-poll-tracker-who-is-in-the-lead

[Guest Foxin_mad]

2 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

 

We're literally one of the most unproductive countries already, perhaps a level of Union representation could help change that?

We are.

 

I'm not sure giving unions more power is the answer, discussions by all means but virtually controlling businesses no. Giving militants too much power is very dangerous and Corbyn is proposing rolling the powers back to what they had in the 70s.

 

The reason our car industry died was because they were always on strike during the 70s. Business will not want to operate here with that kind of threat.

[RobHawk]

I'm no member of momentum and i'm no member of labour. In fact i've said numerous times in this thread i don't feel like any party represents me.

 

I'm more anti tory than anything and that will decide my vote. 

I've called you out for being a troll because thats exactly what you are - you arguments are flawed and you've spouted nothing but ill-judged opinion. We have a number of Tory's in this thread and we debate with them quite pleasantly, we don't agree obviously, but we deal in opinion alongside fact! 

Maybe you should re-read the last few pages of this thread to realise numerous people are calling out for being wrong, you just talk more shite when they do. You've added nothing positive to the debate at all.

And if someone calls you out - kinder caring politics spiel comes out even if they don't support labour.  

[Guest Foxin_mad]

They are flawed in your opinion. I believe your arguments are flawed. So what?

 

There is plenty of factual evidence in there that people choose to ignore.

 

THE FACTS ARE:

 

-We have a growing economy

-Growing Tax Receipts

-Reducing the deficit

-Record employment levels

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

I will no longer offer comments in this thread.

 

I hope you all remember the warnings were there, when your Socialist utopia based on worthless figures collapses and you all lose your jobs.

 

The pound will nose dive if that joker gets in. Good luck.

[Carl the Llama]

If my vote was based who sends me the most leaflets the Lib Dems would have my vote by a clear majority, they just won't stop sending shit to me.

[Foxxed]

On 06/04/2017 at 12:22, Beliall said:

Is there any website anywhere that tells us how the polls look in our constituency? I have been googling but cant see anything that gives me an indication of who has the best chance of beating the conservatives in my area. I'm worried the Lib dems and labour will take votes off each other and the tories with win here.

I've found a new one. Perhaps the best. Gives more information.

 

http://www.progressivealliance.org.uk

 

Tells you where you can help too.

[Beliall]

25 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

I've found a new one. Perhaps the best. Gives more information.

 

http://www.progressivealliance.org.uk

 

Tells you where you can help too.

As I though, its a vote for Lib dems against Conservative. Its gonna feel dirty