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Harry - LCFC

General Election, June 8th

By Harry - LCFC, in General Chat

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LiberalFox

LiberalFox

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2 minutes ago, MattP said:

But to offer up a serious argument for PR you need evidence. 

 

If the Tories and Labour both poll high and the Liberals, UKIP and Greens tank you can't really argue that people don't want them.

 

Everything I've seen from the last 5 weeks hints at a return to two party politics. 

 

Yeah I see what you are saying although it's funny because that approach is part of what I think is wrong with society and government in general. It's very top down. You look at the vote shares and decide that 80% of the combined vote is proof that people support the system. I'm coming at it more from a theoretical and anecdotal viewpoint. It also depends on how you see the role of a political system.

 

I see the ideal political system as one that inherently promotes good outcomes such as:

 

Stability

Participation

Good Decision Making

Meritocracy

National Unity

Accountability

Innovation

Negotiation

 

I think there are huge flaws in our system that make it poor at promoting many of those things. 

 

The question is how do you go about changing the system?

 

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Can't be? Can't it?

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Realist Guy In The Room

Realist Guy In The Room

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4 hours ago, MattP said:

Too ill they claimed, despite pictures of her wandering the streets and at a train station this morning circulating.

 

Why doesn't Corbyn just admit the whole thing is a complete joke and sack her today? It would probably secure a hung parliament if he did, I'm starting to see quite a few who won't vote Labour because of her.

 

 

Its probably just stupid loyalty.

 

She was one of the only ones not to stab him in the back.

 

I'm not sure Corbyn is even bothered about winning.

Alf Bentley

Alf Bentley

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Abbott has looked seriously ill for the last month. As a doctor, I'd recommend immediate bed rest for at least 48 hours - preferably with no external contact so as not to spread the infection.

:ph34r:

 

It seems as if Lynton Crosby has rolled Boris out to make a few colourful attacks on Corbyn in the last 2 days of the campaign.

Labour need to raise the state of the NHS, publicise a few NHS priorities and challenge Boris as to what he'd spend his £350m per week on....preferably linking it to social care funding & pressure on NHS beds.

 

If they could somehow provoke him into doing/saying something stupid, so much the better.

Judging from his bizarre conduct the other day, it should be easy enough: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2017-40140992/boris-johnson-and-labour-s-ian-lavery-have-heated-debate

Just need a political equivalent of Diego Costa to wind him up...

 

Sadiq Khan has played a blinder as regards influencing media coverage over the last 1-2 days, raising issues over Met. Police numbers and even stoking a distraction row with Trump.

I'm sure Labour would much prefer the TV news to be talking about under-funding of the Met. Police and even Trump's comments and visit, rather than Corbyn's past associations.....which is what Boris was trying to raise.

Khan seems to be very popular in London, so his presence on-screen, looking authoritative & raising such issues could help the Lab vote there, not to mention stopping the Tory attack dogs dominating the TV news....

 

Enough to make you cynical, isn't it, all these efforts by the parties to control the media agenda? :rolleyes:

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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6 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Abbott has looked seriously ill for the last month. As a doctor, I'd recommend immediate bed rest for at least 48 hours - preferably with no external contact so as not to spread the infection.

:ph34r:

 

It seems as if Lynton Crosby has rolled Boris out to make a few colourful attacks on Corbyn in the last 2 days of the campaign.

Labour need to raise the state of the NHS, publicise a few NHS priorities and challenge Boris as to what he'd spend his £350m per week on....preferably linking it to social care funding & pressure on NHS beds.

 

If they could somehow provoke him into doing/saying something stupid, so much the better.

Judging from his bizarre conduct the other day, it should be easy enough: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2017-40140992/boris-johnson-and-labour-s-ian-lavery-have-heated-debate

Just need a political equivalent of Diego Costa to wind him up...

 

Sadiq Khan has played a blinder as regards influencing media coverage over the last 1-2 days, raising issues over Met. Police numbers and even stoking a distraction row with Trump.

I'm sure Labour would much prefer the TV news to be talking about under-funding of the Met. Police and even Trump's comments and visit, rather than Corbyn's past associations.....which is what Boris was trying to raise.

Khan seems to be very popular in London, so his presence on-screen, looking authoritative & raising such issues could help the Lab vote there, not to mention stopping the Tory attack dogs dominating the TV news....

 

Enough to make you cynical, isn't it, all these efforts by the parties to control the media agenda? :rolleyes:

Is the London vote really that important though? Only Labour/Tory marginals are Ealing, Ilford North and Hampstead and Kilburn I think.

 

In an ideal world the Tories should really be launching an attack on Khan's comments about terrorism and some of the people and groups he has stuck up for in the past but just a few days after I think it's far too risky.

 

With the North and Midlands watching the Tories might be happy for Labour Muslim mayor to be on the TV. 

StanSP

StanSP

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i was just about to suggest as to why Abbott would respond to a fake e-mail but then realised it was her and she wouldn't have noticed lol 

Alf Bentley

Alf Bentley

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1 minute ago, MattP said:

Is the London vote really that important though? Only Labour/Tory marginals are Ealing, Ilford North and Hampstead and Kilburn I think.

 

With the North and Midlands watching the Tories might be happy for Labour Muslim mayor to be on the TV. 

 

I agree that the North and Midlands (outside big cities) is where the election will mainly be won and lost - lost there by Labour, I suspect.

 

But London still has a fair few marginals:

- Lab/Con with majority under 3000: Ealing C, Brentford, Ilford N, Hampstead, Enfield N, Harrow W, Westminster N, Tooting, Eltham

- Con/Lab with tiny majority: Croydon Central (Thurrock, too, in theory but probably a massive UKIP->Con switch there)

 

Would many Northern/Midlands swing voters be wound up to see a westernised Muslim man in a suit speaking responsibly about the need to fight Islamist terrorism, increase police numbers etc?

A few racist bigots would, I'm sure, but they're hardly likely to be lining up behind Corbyn anyway.....whereas swing voters could easily be influenced by Boris talking on the news about Corbyn's questionable past associations.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Just now, Alf Bentley said:

 

I agree that the North and Midlands (outside big cities) is where the election will mainly be won and lost - lost there by Labour, I suspect.

 

But London still has a fair few marginals:

- Lab/Con with majority under 3000: Ealing C, Brentford, Ilford N, Hampstead, Enfield N, Harrow W, Westminster N, Tooting, Eltham

- Con/Lab with tiny majority: Croydon Central (Thurrock, too, in theory but probably a massive UKIP->Con switch there)

 

Would many Northern/Midlands swing voters be wound up to see a westernised Muslim man in a suit speaking responsibly about the need to fight Islamist terrorism, increase police numbers etc?

A few racist bigots would, I'm sure, but they're hardly likely to be lining up behind Corbyn anyway.....whereas swing voters could easily be influenced by Boris talking on the news about Corbyn's questionable past associations.

I doubt it would be too many, I did hear one comment on Sunday along the lines of "the mayors a fcuking Muslim" in a Blazing Saddles style of delivery but no of course it's not something that will decide a seat. As you say, they wouldn't be swing voters. 

 

As soon as Khan decides to use the attack to attack the Tories the more I think they should have struck back, his links to Louis Farrakhan aren't ones he would like in the public eye again when trying to stand on a platform to unify, they are probably scared though as Zac went down that sort of root and it wasnt good.

 

More swing seats than I thought, cheers (y)

Buce

Buce

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2 hours ago, MattP said:

Speaking of the Greens is it still party policy after recent events to legalise being a member or joining Islamic state? 

 

Was it ever?

 

Realist Guy In The Room

Realist Guy In The Room

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It doesn't really matter if the emails genuine or not just as it doesnt matter we haven't seen Hammond for days, Rudd saying dealing arms to Saudi is good for trade, Boris being told to stop talking, Labour not actually spending that much on the NHS, Corbyn's IRA links etc etc.

 

All this stuff doesnt matter anymore.  We're too close to the day for it to make a difference and just to address the email specifically, if its true they'll say its false, if its false they'll say its false.  

 

All this stuff is dirty tactics to grab a few voted but the reality is most would have already made up their minds.

LiberalFox

LiberalFox

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20 minutes ago, MattP said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30973388

 

Andrew Neil gave her a seeing to over it as well at the end of this interview. 

 

 

As a Liberal I applaud her idealism and honesty. The Greens are probably our closest allies politically but I'm not sure them being independent under FPTP is helpful. I guess being outriders on Liberal issues might be worth it.

Realist Guy In The Room

Realist Guy In The Room

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2 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Yvette Cooper launches personal attack on May over armed police cuts

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/06/yvette-cooper-personal-attack-theresa-may-armed-police-cuts

 

The labour grandees were always going to make a comeback if they thought a government job was a faint possibility. If it helps i suspect abbott would be kicked into touch within 5 mins if they won and cooper could do a decent job

**** off Yvette.  Where've you been the last 2 years?

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Facebook fake news is genuinely out of control.

 

I've seen about 4 different memes or copy and pastes tonight that have no truth to them whatsoever. 

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