Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 May campaigning in seats with a 5k Labour majority, Corbyn campaigning in seats with an 8k Labour majority. I think it's fair to say the private polling is very different from what we are seeing from the polling companies. P.S Where is Diane Abbott? A terror attack two days ago and no sign of the shadow home secretary?
Carl the Llama Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 9 minutes ago, MattP said: May campaigning in seats with a 5k Labour majority, Corbyn campaigning in seats with an 8k Labour majority. I think it's fair to say the private polling is very different from what we are seeing from the polling companies. P.S Where is Diane Abbott? A terror attack two days ago and no sign of the shadow home secretary? I imagine Labour realise that reminding everyone that she'd be in control of national security is a bit of a vote loser. Speaking personally she has a far bigger negative impact on my views about Labour than Jeremy does, I'd definitely be more inclined to vote for them if she wasn't in the picture.
Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 9 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: I imagine Labour realise that reminding everyone that she'd be in control of national security is a bit of a vote loser. Speaking personally she has a far bigger negative impact on my views about Labour than Jeremy does, I'd definitely be more inclined to vote for them if she wasn't in the picture. But she will be in charge of national security, so she should be speaking rather than being hidden away because she's toxic with voters. They are doing everything they told us was wrong when the Tories did it.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 17 minutes ago, MattP said: May campaigning in seats with a 5k Labour majority, Corbyn campaigning in seats with an 8k Labour majority. I think it's fair to say the private polling is very different from what we are seeing from the polling companies. I'm not sure how much can be read into where Corbyn is appearing. He seems to be visiting everywhere from core areas (Manchester, Hull, Sheffield) to seats that seem like highly optimistic targets (Reading, Harlow, Worcester, Scarborough): https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/02/on-jeremy-corbyns-campaign-trail-in-pictures I'm still inclined to mistrust these YouGov polls suggesting that the outcome is in doubt, though. I'm anticipating a much smaller Tory majority than expected, but still a Tory win (maybe 40-80, instead of the 150+ that I expected at the outset!). What sort of result brings May down, I wonder? I assume that she'll be forgiven her appalling campaign if the Tories manage a majority of 80+. She'll presumably have to go in the unlikely event of a hung parliament. But what if she gets a majority about the same as now or only slightly bigger.....say 20-50? I assume that she would survive because of the urgency of Brexit, but would be badly damaged - and vulnerable to challenges before the next election, or even before the Brexit negotiations are concluded if those go badly. What do you reckon? I assume that Corbyn's position will be strengthened even if the Tories increase their majority, unless they do manage to get a landslide. Will you be doing an election quiz? I could rustle something up quickly later on if you won't have time.......but would prefer you to do all the work (typical idle Lefty).
Alf Bentley Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 4 minutes ago, MattP said: But she will be in charge of national security, so she should be speaking rather than being hidden away because she's toxic with voters. They are doing everything they told us was wrong when the Tories did it. Maybe Abbott has eloped with Philip Hammond? No sign of either of them....
Bryn Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 Someone who'd know telling you just how "tough on crime" the Tories are.
Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 7 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: I'm not sure how much can be read into where Corbyn is appearing. He seems to be visiting everywhere from core areas (Manchester, Hull, Sheffield) to seats that seem like highly optimistic targets (Reading, Harlow, Worcester, Scarborough): https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/02/on-jeremy-corbyns-campaign-trail-in-pictures I'm still inclined to mistrust these YouGov polls suggesting that the outcome is in doubt, though. I'm anticipating a much smaller Tory majority than expected, but still a Tory win (maybe 40-80, instead of the 150+ that I expected at the outset!). What sort of result brings May down, I wonder? I assume that she'll be forgiven her appalling campaign if the Tories manage a majority of 80+. She'll presumably have to go in the unlikely event of a hung parliament. But what if she gets a majority about the same as now or only slightly bigger.....say 20-50? I assume that she would survive because of the urgency of Brexit, but would be badly damaged - and vulnerable to challenges before the next election, or even before the Brexit negotiations are concluded if those go badly. What do you reckon? I assume that Corbyn's position will be strengthened even if the Tories increase their majority, unless they do manage to get a landslide. Will you be doing an election quiz? I could rustle something up quickly later on if you won't have time.......but would prefer you to do all the work (typical idle Lefty). I think she's safeeling providing she increases the majority, the bonus for her is negotiations are almost instant and we won't really have time for a change of PM forced by the party. I agree with you on yougov, I don't think the Labour vote us anywhere near 40%.
Mike Oxlong Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 I don't like May but I could never vote for a party that would put Dianne Abbott in cabinet. She really is a fvckin muppet.
The Doctor Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 8 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: I don't understand the logic that spending money we don't have boosts the economy, its a fallacy. If I go out today and get a £10000 loan and spend it on a new car, it doesn't make me better off or more able to do something yet I still have to pay the loan back at £200 a month! Which is coming out of my GDP or wage! so I have less of it to spend now! and in the future. You couldn't actually be more wrong. The economy doesn't work like a household budget, and you borrow to stimulate the economy - so unless you buying that car boosts your income (not necessarily paying for itself, but turning it into a smaller loan in practice), then your comparison doesn't work.
Lionator Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: May campaigning in seats with a 5k Labour majority, Corbyn campaigning in seats with an 8k Labour majority. I think it's fair to say the private polling is very different from what we are seeing from the polling companies. P.S Where is Diane Abbott? A terror attack two days ago and no sign of the shadow home secretary? Well there she is and what an embarrassment she is, unfortunately her place in the shadow cabinet is what's going to give the conservative's a majority on Thursday.
Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 1 minute ago, Lionator said: Well there she is and what an embarrassment she is, unfortunately her place in the shadow cabinet is what's going to give the conservative's a majority on Thursday. What was she on? Delighted she's back.
Guest Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: What was she on? Delighted she's back. You won't be when the tories lead us into recession, housing market collapse, financial crisis and general strike
Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: You won't be when the tories lead us into recession, housing market collapse, financial crisis and general strike We could be led into World War Three and there would be no regret about not voting for her to be home secretary.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 The Tories will win a majority, what it will be is anybodies guess. One thing that I'm certain of is that May wont be PM in a years time.
The Floyd Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 13 minutes ago, MattP said: What was she on? Delighted she's back. Sky News. You missed a treat.
EnderbyFox Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 Has there ever been a Diane Abbot interview that isn't an absolute car crash?
Izzy Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 7 minutes ago, MattP said: Got it. Amazing. Is she on drugs? Seriously. Dermot wasn't trying to belittle her or catch her out and gave her fair chance a number of times. In all my years I can't recall a politician who seems so uninformed and dense. I'm staggered by her incompetence and embarrassed for her. It's really uncomfortable to watch her.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 11 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said: Has there ever been a Diane Abbot interview that isn't an absolute car crash? No.
Guest MattP Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 1 minute ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Sturgeon is getting a real hard time. I know the SNP are becoming less popular but this is staggering. They weren't getting a beating like this even in pro-union cities like Edinburgh last time.
Tielemans63 Posted 5 June 2017 Posted 5 June 2017 I wouldn't trust Diane Abbott to run the bakery in my local Tescos. Comes across as an absolute ****tard.
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