General Election, June 8th

[Foxxed]

12 hours ago, Beliall said:

Is there any website anywhere that tells us how the polls look in our constituency? I have been googling but cant see anything that gives me an indication of who has the best chance of beating the conservatives in my area. I'm worried the Lib dems and labour will take votes off each other and the tories with win here.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/jun/02/tactical-voting-guide-how-to-make-your-vote-count-in-the-2017-election

 

This is interesting regarding marginals too.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, toddybad said:

Wow 

 

 

I'd be very interested to hear what mattp, webbo and jonthehat have to say about this. 

[Rincewind]

Not really unexpected. The police Federation have been saying that they are stretched for a while but it was brushed off as troublemaking.

[nnfox]

8 hours ago, toddybad said:

Wow 

 

 

I think the reality is that there ARE more armed officers IN LONDON now than ever, but nationally there are less.  It means that the rural forces have less - a lot less.

 

The met have been desperate to train as many as possible from 2010 in readiness for the 2012 Olympics and beyond, they have also been aggressively poaching trained, experienced firearms officers from other forces with the bump in wages (London weighting), subsidised travel and near unlimited overtime available.

 

It means that in London, they have 24/7 capability to deal with London Bridge type incidents in a quick, professional, and if I'm honest, awe-inspiring manner.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

Not the time for politics IMO. The Police arrived in 8 minutes, 8 minutes and shot the terrorist ***** dead. There are very few instances where I can see response times being quicker and more effective. If the Police and Ambulance services turned up an hour later and had no room in the hospitals I could understand peoples whining but not on this they did a superb job.

 

London with a population of 8 million is one of the safest cities in the world. You could perhaps have more patrols with more police, but would that stop these lunatics? I personally doubt it. Also to be honest we should not have to police the country like we are living in a war zone.

 

We need to tackle the issues that  are behind it it. Mass unfiltered and largely unskilled immigration, and a plan to let it continue under the Labour government is a huge problem. The more unskilled non contributing migrants you allow into the country the more and more and more you need to invest in police, infrastructure and public services, it is not sustainable and must stop now. Another example why Socialism does not work....so you want to spend more on the current population fine, how do you fund it? more tax for the nasty rich men fine, so you want to let more 'refugees welcome in' fine, how doe you want to fund it? more tax for the nasty rich men fine.......and so on......something has to give.

 

 

[matty98]

6 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Not the time for politics IMO. The Police arrived in 8 minutes, 8 minutes and shot the terrorist ***** dead. There are very few instances where I can see response times being quicker and more effective. If the Police and Ambulance services turned up an hour later and had no room in the hospitals I could understand peoples whining but not on this they did a superb job.

 

London with a population of 8 million is one of the safest cities in the world. You could perhaps have more patrols with more police, but would that stop these lunatics? I personally doubt it. Also to be honest we should not have to police the country like we are living in a war zone.

 

We need to tackle the issues that  are behind it it. Mass unfiltered and largely unskilled immigration, and a plan to let it continue under the Labour government is a huge problem. The more unskilled non contributing migrants you allow into the country the more and more and more you need to invest in police, infrastructure and public services, it is not sustainable and must stop now. Another example why Socialism does not work....so you want to spend more on the current population fine, how do you fund it? more tax for the nasty rich men fine, so you want to let more 'refugees welcome in' fine, how doe you want to fund it? more tax for the nasty rich men fine.......and so on......something has to give.

 

 

Did you even watch the video? Police had to have their leave days cancelled to respond and officers were dragged from other areas leaving them more exposed. That is wrong, shouldn't happen. 

[Finnaldo]

9 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Not the time for politics IMO. The Police arrived in 8 minutes, 8 minutes and shot the terrorist ***** dead. There are very few instances where I can see response times being quicker and more effective. If the Police and Ambulance services turned up an hour later and had no room in the hospitals I could understand peoples whining but not on this they did a superb job.

 

London with a population of 8 million is one of the safest cities in the world. You could perhaps have more patrols with more police, but would that stop these lunatics? I personally doubt it. Also to be honest we should not have to police the country like we are living in a war zone.

 

We need to tackle the issues that  are behind it it. Mass unfiltered and largely unskilled immigration, and a plan to let it continue under the Labour government is a huge problem. The more unskilled non contributing migrants you allow into the country the more and more and more you need to invest in police, infrastructure and public services, it is not sustainable and must stop now. Another example why Socialism does not work....so you want to spend more on the current population fine, how do you fund it? more tax for the nasty rich men fine, so you want to let more 'refugees welcome in' fine, how doe you want to fund it? more tax for the nasty rich men fine.......and so on......something has to give.

 

 

 

Implying Corbyn hasn't came out and said he'll introduce stricter immigration laws based on what the country requires.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

Just now, matty98 said:

Did you even watch the video? Police had to have their leave days cancelled to respond and officers were dragged from other areas leaving them more exposed. That is wrong, shouldn't happen. 

Who is this guy? I want to see his evidence. Seems like a political rant. Who determines what exposed is?

 

Its a major terrorist attack so I can see that some leave maybe cancelled. We can not just have police sitting around 'just in case', there is a limit to what we have available to spend despite what Labour promise. 

 

When they **** the economy over and no one has a job they will not be bale to fund anything they promise!

[Guest Foxin_mad]

1 minute ago, Finnaldo said:

 

Implying Corbyn hasn't came out and said he'll introduce stricter immigration laws based on what the country requires.

He hasn't. He wants lots more immigration of any kind, to give them some free stuff so they vote for him.

 

Trouble is there wont be any free stuff when he moves all business out of the country and crashes the economy.

[RobHawk]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

He hasn't. He wants lots more immigration of any kind, to give them some free stuff so they vote for him.

 

Trouble is there wont be any free stuff when he moves all business out of the country and crashes the economy.

fake news! Your talking shit! Wheres your evidence that corbyn ever said that?

 

[Finnaldo]

Just now, Foxin_mad said:

He hasn't. He wants lots more immigration of any kind, to give them some free stuff so they vote for him.

 

Trouble is there wont be any free stuff when he moves all business out of the country and crashes the economy.

 

No, he specifically said he'd lower immigration to an acceptable level and for our means, where did you hear otherwise?

 

You seem to be making this up as you go along and it seems very, very desperate.

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, toddybad said:

I'd be very interested to hear what mattp, webbo and jonthehat have to say about this. 

I think it says all you need to know, the government are prepared to be dishonest, for self preservation at times like this. 

[Guest Foxin_mad]

2 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

fake news! Your talking shit! Wheres your evidence that corbyn ever said that?

 

[Guest Foxin_mad]

6 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

 

No, he specifically said he'd lower immigration to an acceptable level and for our means, where did you hear otherwise?

 

You seem to be making this up as you go along and it seems very, very desperate.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immigration-policies-uk-general-election-2017-labour-conservatives-lib-dems-ukip-a7765286.html

 

Its absolute bollocks, what exactly is a fair level. We can not afford anymore strain on public services, he wants to pay for a 'migrant impact fund' who the **** pays for this shit? Oh yes the nasty rich men and the employment creating businesses again.

 

Its an absolute shambles, he can not afford any of the stuff he is promising and this country is going to become an absolute disaster zone if he gets into power. I am desperate yes because I am seriously afraid for my country becoming the next failed Socialist experiment because people are so out of touch with how real life works.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immigration-policies-uk-general-election-2017-labour-conservatives-lib-dems-ukip-a7765286.html

 

Its absolute bollocks, what exactly is a fair level. We can not afford anymore strain on public services, he wants to pay for a 'migrant impact fund' who the **** pays for this shit? Oh yes the nasty rich men and the employment creating businesses again.

 

Its an absolute shambles, he can not afford any of the stuff he is promising and this country is going to become an absolute disaster zone if he gets into power. I am desperate yes because I am seriously afraid for my country becoming the next failed Socialist experiment because people are so out of touch with how real life works.

This is absolute bollocks. Embarrassing.

[davieG]

33 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Not the time for politics IMO.

 

What happened to change your mind?

 

There's an election on when would be a better time for politics?

[matty98]

7 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Who is this guy? I want to see his evidence. Seems like a political rant. Who determines what exposed is?

 

Its a major terrorist attack so I can see that some leave maybe cancelled. We can not just have police sitting around 'just in case', there is a limit to what we have available to spend despite what Labour promise. 

 

When they **** the economy over and no one has a job they will not be bale to fund anything they promise!

He's a senior police officer so it's not a 'political rant', it's someone with a genuine concern about a real problem. 

[Guest Foxin_mad]

1 minute ago, toddybad said:

This is absolute bollocks. Embarrassing.

Show me how you are going to fund Labours manifesto then.

 

They will crash the economy, business and the rich will not pay for his socialist experiment. I suggest you read up on Corbyns highly regarded state of Venezuela.

 

I just hope I can escape abroad if he ever get is, we will become a 3rd world socialist state.

 

 

[theessexfox]

Just now, Foxin_mad said:

Show me how you are going to fund Labours manifesto then.

 

They will crash the economy, business and the rich will not pay for his socialist experiment. I suggest you read up on Corbyns highly regarded state of Venezuela.

 

I just hope I can escape abroad if he ever get is, we will become a 3rd world socialist state.

 

 

Do you think the policies he's implementing are in any way similar to those in Venezuela? This isn't state socialism ffs. 

[Guest Foxin_mad]

3 minutes ago, davieG said:

What happened to change your mind?

 

There's an election on when would be a better time for politics?

Not over a terror attack, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the attack would not have happened if we had 100000 more Police on the streets, which we cant afford anyway at present.

 

Perhaps a party should be honest and say we will put 1p on the income tax of everyone for various schemes, instead of hard hitting those who create jobs and invest in training.

[Finnaldo]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immigration-policies-uk-general-election-2017-labour-conservatives-lib-dems-ukip-a7765286.html

 

Its absolute bollocks, what exactly is a fair level. We can not afford anymore strain on public services, he wants to pay for a 'migrant impact fund' who the **** pays for this shit? Oh yes the nasty rich men and the employment creating businesses again.

 

Its an absolute shambles, he can not afford any of the stuff he is promising and this country is going to become an absolute disaster zone if he gets into power. I am desperate yes because I am seriously afraid for my country becoming the next failed Socialist experiment because people are so out of touch with how real life works.

 

Both parties are a shambles by usual standards but either way it goes it's not going to be a disaster. The Labour manifesto is fully costed and it's likely the more ambitious policies will be met with compromise, especially in a coalition. If you seriously think the man will keep going and going until the country was bankrupted I could imagine being as deluded as you think 'Comrade Corbyn' and his United British Soviet Republic is. 

[Guest Foxin_mad]

Just now, theessexfox said:

Do you think the policies he's implementing are in any way similar to those in Venezuela? This isn't state socialism ffs. 

Have you read his policies?

 

Of course they are, he is a socialist and he admires Venezuela and Chavez.

 

He wants to renationalise rail and energy and royal mail initially, and create a state owned power company, who knows where this ends?

 

He wants Unions to have power to bring the country to a standstill.

 

He wants control over pay, and will stop the public sector dealing with companies who do not agree to his pay caps. Wonder if he will cap Chief Executive pay in Labour councils?

 

its absolutely the route, him and Momentum want to take us.

[nnfox]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Not over a terror attack, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the attack would not have happened if we had 100000 more Police on the streets, which we cant afford anyway at present.

 

Perhaps a party should be honest and say we will put 1p on the income tax of everyone for various schemes, instead of hard hitting those who create jobs and invest in training.

Too sensible to feature on any manifesto.  There is a perception that this would be a vote loser.  Any government knows that the first rule of government is to stay in power and remain in charge.  Common sense comes further down the list unfortunately.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Show me how you are going to fund Labours manifesto then.

 

They will crash the economy, business and the rich will not pay for his socialist experiment. I suggest you read up on Corbyns highly regarded state of Venezuela.

 

I just hope I can escape abroad if he ever get is, we will become a 3rd world socialist state.

 

 

Look at the costings.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land. Business rates up to a level which is less than in 2010 and still lower than the g7 average.....not going to break the economy

5% on above £80k. Of course they'll pay, it isn't ridiculous in any way to implement this policy. If it was an extra 30% you'd have a point but 5? Come on.....seriously. 

Socialist experiment? Putting back HALF of the police the tories have cut? Giving schools enough money to do their job? Taking the nhs out of crisis? Ecpecting employers to pay staff enough so that the state doesn't have to fund their survival? Which of these are loony marxist policies? They're all fundamentally sensible.

You've been brainwashed into believing that we're an extremely poor country and that deficit reduction is best done via cuts. This is nonsense. We're the 5th largest economy in the world. About time we acted like it and funded our public services properly and brought about growth - and deficit reduction - through expansion of the economy rather than regression.

[Finnaldo]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

Have you read his policies?

 

Of course they are, he is a socialist and he admires Venezuela and Chavez.

 

He wants to renationalise rail and energy and royal mail initially, and create a state owned power company, who knows where this ends?

 

He wants Unions to have power to bring the country to a standstill.

 

He wants control over pay, and will stop the public sector dealing with companies who do not agree to his pay caps. Wonder if he will cap Chief Executive pay in Labour councils?

 

its absolutely the route, him and Momentum want to take us.

 

Eastern Railways was nationalised and returned £209 million back to taxpayers, with high customer satisfaction.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nationalised-east-coast-rail-line-returns-209m-to-taxpayers-8866157.html