LiberalFox Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Also those claiming May has links to Saudi extremist, they are aware that Demi god Barack Obama was dealing with the same people right? If we are going to be snooty who we do trade deals with over tenuous links, we might as well push ahead with brexit and become isolated and remove all foreign aid whilst we at it. I think we could be a bit less cosy with them. I wouldn't remove the foreign aid commitment but it ought to be a lot more transparent and I don't think using it as a slush fund is right.
Strokes Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 2 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: I think we could be a bit less cosy with them. I wouldn't remove the foreign aid commitment but it ought to be a lot more transparent and I don't think using it as a slush fund is right. Oh I agree but this has been a systematic problem for a long time, you have to think about where it ends and the huge knock on effect it can have and for what gain. The Lib Dems where in coalition with the tories until 2015 what did they do to expose this or rectify it?
Steven Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 14 minutes ago, Strokes said: Oh I agree but this has been a systematic problem for a long time, you have to think about where it ends and the huge knock on effect it can have and for what gain. The Lib Dems where in coalition with the tories until 2015 what did they do to expose this or rectify it? They asked for the report that May has buried into terrorist funding by the Saudis.
Strokes Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 7 minutes ago, Steven said: They asked for the report that May has buried into terrorist funding by the Saudis. The one that's due yet? And when did they ask for it?
LiberalFox Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 Just now, Strokes said: Oh I agree but this has been a systematic problem for a long time, you have to think about where it ends and the huge knock on effect it can have and for what gain. The Lib Dems where in coalition with the tories until 2015 what did they do to expose this or rectify it? It's a bit difficult to say. Part of the issue with being in a coalition is you are effectively supposed to be working as one government so you can't just go leaking e-mails and whatnot to show what you were doing. I don't think the Lib Dems were ever in a position to make foreign policy. I generally don't like the coalition but I don't know what the record on Saudi Arabia and the use of foreign aid is. The thinking behind working with these regimes is to influence them in to being more progressive but I just don't see the evidence of it happening. I'd argue Iran is making more progress despite being opposed by the West. I think Corbyn has a better record on this issue but of course the "attack line" from the Tories is to say he's only trying to weaken us and our allies. I think the point about Obama and the US is also true, I really don't think the Saudis would care too much if we withdrew our support and maybe it would cost a few exports and jobs but it would allow us to start aggressively cracking down on Saudi backed extremism. We could cut off a lot more of the funding. Personally I'd like us to be in the EU and to push for a tougher stance on Saudi Arabia and more dialogue with Iran. I'd like the EU to work as one entity to cut off funding for extremist versions of Islam.
Strokes Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 1 minute ago, LiberalFox said: It's a bit difficult to say. Part of the issue with being in a coalition is you are effectively supposed to be working as one government so you can't just go leaking e-mails and whatnot to show what you were doing. I don't think the Lib Dems were ever in a position to make foreign policy. I generally don't like the coalition but I don't know what the record on Saudi Arabia and the use of foreign aid is. The thinking behind working with these regimes is to influence them in to being more progressive but I just don't see the evidence of it happening. I'd argue Iran is making more progress despite being opposed by the West. I think Corbyn has a better record on this issue but of course the "attack line" from the Tories is to say he's only trying to weaken us and our allies. I think the point about Obama and the US is also true, I really don't think the Saudis would care too much if we withdrew our support and maybe it would cost a few exports and jobs but it would allow us to start aggressively cracking down on Saudi backed extremism. We could cut off a lot more of the funding. Personally I'd like us to be in the EU and to push for a tougher stance on Saudi Arabia and more dialogue with Iran. I'd like the EU to work as one entity to cut off funding for extremist versions of Islam. How much money do the Saudis have invested in the ftse?
LiberalFox Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 1 minute ago, Strokes said: How much money do the Saudis have invested in the ftse? I've no idea.
Captain... Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Also those claiming May has links to Saudi extremist, they are aware that Demi god Barack Obama was dealing with the same people right? If we are going to be snooty who we do trade deals with over tenuous links, we might as well push ahead with brexit and become isolated and remove all foreign aid whilst we at it. What does that have to do with anything? Obama is not accountable to us, May is. I do not want our government selling arms to questionable regimes, I don't want the US to be doing it either, but I don't get to vote for them. In the past we have actively courted the Saudis sending over the defence secretary and the PM to promote the arms trade. Whilst the links to extremists aren't proven if there is any doubt then you probably shouldn't be selling the weapons. That is ignoring their questionable human rights record.
Steven Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: The one that's due yet? And when did they ask for it? Quote “Theresa May now has a choice. Does she publish that report or keep it hidden?” Farron said. “Theresa May talks of the need to have some difficult and sometimes embarrassing conversations. That should include exposing and rooting out the source funding of terror, even it means difficult and embarrassing conversations with those like Saudi Arabia that the government claims are our allies.” The Conservatives were criticised last year for selling billions of pounds of arms to the Saudis. Cameron ordered the investigation as part of a deal with the Lib Dems in exchange for the party supporting the extension of British airstrikes against Islamic State into Syria in December 2015. The Home Office’s extremism analysis unit was directed by Downing Street in January 2016 to investigate overseas funding of extremist groups in the UK, with findings to be shown to the then home secretary May and Cameron. Eighteen months on, the Home Office said the report, originally due to be published in spring 2016, had not yet been completed and publication was not guaranteed, given the sensitive nature of the content. A decision about the future of the investigation would be taken “after the election by the next government”, a Home Office spokesman said. Theresa May urged not to suppress report into funding of jihadi groups Jeremy Corbyn and Tim Farron tell PM not to block inquiry thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, a major buyer of British weapons https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/05/theresa-may-urged-not-to-suppress-report-into-funding-of-jihadi-groups
Innovindil Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 This comment on the BBC hys cracked me up 16. Posted by Templar 2 hours ago Shame for Ms Abbott She will be upset about missing the last 17 days of the campaign
Captain... Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said: They couldn't do anything else - all the slating might be a tad uncomfortable if it turns out she has early onset dementia.... Lin Brown though is a tough talking Londoner who certainly has a bit about her - she'll go down well I think. It could just be the pressure getting to her, we all know that mental health is a fragile thing. She has always been a bit odd, but she was confident and informed as a regular guest on the daily politics show, watching her now she doesn't really seem sure of anything. It could be something serious like early onset dementia or she could just be cracking under the strain. Either way it is the right call to pull her off the front line, politically and for the sake of her health.
Guest Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 8 minutes ago, Captain... said: It could just be the pressure getting to her, we all know that mental health is a fragile thing. She has always been a bit odd, but she was confident and informed as a regular guest on the daily politics show, watching her now she doesn't really seem sure of anything. It could be something serious like early onset dementia or she could just be cracking under the strain. Either way it is the right call to pull her off the front line, politically and for the sake of her health. I've been thinking this for a while - whether you agree with her politics or not she was always quite decent with neil and portillo but seems to be a shadow of what she was then.
ramboacdc Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 since @MattP wont post it: survation CON 42%, LAB 40%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 3% could be labour short 11 largest party or tory majority of 4.
ramboacdc Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 yougov will publish their revised poll tonight. then tomorrow we will find out if their new technique works.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 I see people have already branded the stick Abbott was getting as "racism".
Guest MattP Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 9 minutes ago, ramboacdc said: since @MattP wont post it: survation CON 42%, LAB 40%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 3% could be labour short 11 largest party or tory majority of 4. The reason I haven't posted it is because that's not from today. http://survation.com/conservative-lead-labour-dropped-16-points-month-whats-going/ Survation finish their groundwork at 9pm and will release the final poll around 10pm tonight. Tell you what, I won't bother, I'm not making the effort when I am already busy and Ive got people making snidy remarks about me avoiding ones i dont like, you post them for everyone instead.
Guest MattP Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 Final nowcast from Britain Elects before the election.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 Are either @MattP or @Alf Bentley doing a prediction thread?
katieakita Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 Fvck me someone casting a vote for who the Sun tells them to vote for. The same paper last week on the front page taking the p1ss out of a Labour Money tree and asking where the money would come from then the next day on the front page exposing 100's celebrity millionaires avoiding paying taxes. Call me cynical but the stories could be related but whoever you vote for make your own mind up not take the views of a left/right or centre newspaper
Guest MattP Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 1 minute ago, KingGTF said: Are either @MattP or @Alf Bentley doing a prediction thread? I've not got the time, working all day then playing petanque tonight. Go ahead if you want!
Alf Bentley Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 6 minutes ago, KingGTF said: Are either @MattP or @Alf Bentley doing a prediction thread? 4 minutes ago, MattP said: I've not got the time, working all day then playing petanque tonight. Go ahead if you want! I wouldn't be able to do one until late evening, so please proceed if you fancy it, @KingGTF If nobody has done one by late evening, I'll try to rustle something up.
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