DB11 Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Over the course of the 2016-17 season, FoxesTalk visitors have been able to cast votes after each Leicester City fixture. I will post a summary of these over the next few days and they will be in three parts. Part 1: Referee and Opposition Awards Part 2: Manager and Team Awards Part 3: Player Awards Player Awards are based on a minimum of five games Most Man of the Match Awards : Kasper Schmeichel Kasper Schmeichel : 11 Marc Albrighton : 6 Jamie Vardy : 5 Riyad Mahrez : 4 Demarai Gray : 4 The most consecutive man of the match awards went to Kasper Schmeichel, who won it three times in a row for his performances against Southampton (H), Chelsea (A), FC Copenhagen (H) Best Individual Performance : Kasper Schmeichel v Sevilla (H) Kasper Schmeichel @ Leicester City 2-0 Sevilla 9.42 Kasper Schmeichel @ West Ham United 2-3 Leicester City : 9.25 Jamie Vardy @ Leicester City 4-2 Manchester City : 9.19 Marc Albrighton @ Leicester City 2-0 Sevilla 9.17 Christian Fuchs @ Leicester City 2-0 Sevilla 9.03 Worst Individual Performance : Jeffrey Schlupp v FC Porto (A) Jeffrey Schlupp @ FC Porto 5-0 Leicester City : 1.80 Jeffrey Schlupp @ Chelsea 3-0 Leicester City : 2.16 Wes Morgan @ Southampton 3-0 Leicester City : 2.22 Luis Hernandez @ FC Porto 5-0 Leicester City : 2.29 Ahmed Musa @ FC Porto 5-0 Leicester City : 2.38 Most Consistent Performer : Leonardo Ulloa Leonardo Ulloa : 1.0003 Ron Robert-Zieler : 1.120 Demarai Gray : 1.125 Wilfred Ndidi : 1.275 Kasper Schmeichel : 1.317 The number represents the standard deviation in the player's rating throughout the season - the lower the number the less the player's average rating varied throughout the season Most Inconsistent Performer : Jamie Vardy Jamie Vardy : 1.809 Wes Morgan : 1.692 Luis Hernandez : 1.677 Robert Huth : 1.631 Marc Albrighton : 1.631 FoxesTalk Player of the Season : Kasper Schmeichel Kasper Schmeichel : 6.87 Wilfred Ndidi : 6.63 Yohan Benalouane : 6.37 FoxesTalk Flop of the Season : Marcin Wasilewski Marcin Wasilewski : 4.02 Jeffrey Schlupp : 4.23 Luis Hernandez : 4.74 If Wasilewski had played one less game thus been ineligible for these awards, the next poorest player to make up the bottom three would have been Ahmed Musa with an average rating of 4.89 Player by Player Analysis A few stats on each player in order of their performance 1st : Kasper Schmeichel Rating: 6.87 Best & Worst: 9.42 - Sevilla (H) | 4.00 - Tottenham Hotspur (H) MOTM Awards: 11 2nd : Wilfred Ndidi Rating: 6.63 Best & Worst: 8.77 - Liverpool (H) | 4.07 - Tottenham Hotspur (H) MOTM Awards: 3 3rd : Yohan Benalouane Rating: 6.37 Best & Worst: 8.20 - Athletico Madrid (A) | 3.05 - Tottenham Hotspur (H) MOTM Awards: 2 4th : Christian Fuchs Rating: 6.07 Best & Worst: 9.03 - Sevilla (H) | 2.62 - Southampton (A) MOTM Awards: 1 5th : Danny Simpson Rating: 6.06 Best & Worst: 8.47 - Sevilla (H) | 2.84 - Southampton (A) MOTM Awards: 1 6th : Danny Drinkwater Rating: 6.01 Best & Worst: 8.45 - Swansea (H) | 2.84 - Swansea (A) MOTM Awards: 1 7th : Marc Albrighton Rating: 5.99 Best & Worst: 9.17 - Sevilla (H) | 3.34 - Millwall (A) MOTM Awards: 6 8th : Riyad Mahrez Rating: 5.96 Best & Worst: 8.58 - Burnley (H) | 2.95 - Tottenham Hotspur (H) MOTM Awards: 4 9th : Islam Slimani Rating: 5.94 Best & Worst: 8.94 - Burnley (H) | 2.82 - Everton (H) MOTM Awards: 2 10th : Robert Huth Rating: 5.93 Best & Worst: 8.47 - Sevilla (H) | 2.74 - Manchester United (H) MOTM Awards: 2 11th : Ben Chilwell Rating: 5.92 Best & Worst: 8.15 - Athletico Madrid (H) | 2.55 - FC Porto (A) MOTM Awards: 3 12th : Demarai Gray Rating: 5.81 Best & Worst: 8.43 - Stoke City (A) | 3.53 - Tottenham Hotspur (H) MOTM Awards: 4 13th : Daniel Amartey Rating: 5.78 Best & Worst: 8.56 - Swansea (H) | 3.20 - Tottenham Hotspur (H) MOTM Awards: 1 14th : Jamie Vardy Rating: 5.74 Best & Worst: 9.19 - Manchester City (H) | 3.06 - Swansea (A) MOTM Awards: 5 15th : Shinji Okazaki Rating: 5.73 Best & Worst: 8.45 - Crystal Palace (H) | 2.92 - Southampton (A) MOTM Awards: 3 16th : Leonardo Ulloa Rating: 5.70 Best & Worst: 8.40 - Stoke (A) | 4.21 - West Bromwich Albion (H) MOTM Awards: 0 17th : Wes Morgan Rating: 5.58 Best & Worst: 8.71 - Athletico Madrid (H) | 2.22 - Southampton (A) MOTM Awards: 0 18th : Ron Robert-Zeiler Rating: 5.42 Best & Worst: 7.27 - Burnley (H) | 4.10 - Middlesbrough (H) MOTM Awards: 0 19th : Andy King Rating: 5.34 Best & Worst: 7.80 - Manchester City (H) | 3.14 - Sunderland (A) MOTM Awards: 0 20th : Nampalys Mendy Rating: 5.09 Best & Worst: 7.64 - Everton (A) (FAC) | 3.28 - Millwall (A) MOTM Awards: 0 21st : Ahmed Musa Rating: 4.89 Best & Worst: 8.51 - Everton (A) (FAC) | 3.28 - Millwall (A) MOTM Awards: 2 22nd : Luis Hernandez Rating: 4.74 Best & Worst: 7.22 - FC Porto (H) | 2.29 - FC Porto (A) MOTM Awards: 0 23rd : Jeffrey Schlupp Rating: 4.23 Best & Worst: 5.97 - Brugge (A) | 1.80 - FC Porto (A) MOTM Awards: 0 24th : Marcin Wasilewski Rating: 4.02 Best & Worst: 6.42 - Derby (H) | 2.58 - FC Porto (A) MOTM Awards: 0 And so that concludes the 2016-17 FoxesTalk Awards. 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shen Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 How bizarre that Ndidi, who has been good in general but rather inconsistent, was rated more consistently than Vardy who along with Schmeichel was probably the most consistent player throughout the season. Just highlights how merciless many on here were during the poor first half of the season.
foxy boxing Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Kasper head and shoulders above any other player surprised people think Benny was the third choice player of the season which shows how disappointing other players have been
Suzie the Fox Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 2 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: Kasper head and shoulders above any other player surprised people think Benny was the third choice player of the season which shows how disappointing other players have been No shock with kasper but very suprised with benny making 3rd.
ousefox Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 21 minutes ago, shen said: How bizarre that Ndidi, who has been good in general but rather inconsistent, was rated more consistently than Vardy who along with Schmeichel was probably the most consistent player throughout the season. Just highlights how merciless many on here were during the poor first half of the season. Did you miss Vardy being dog shit for a few months? His class form since has made amends thankfully.
Melbourne Fuchs Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 When we win matches and play well as a team every player gets a higher rating, so it's no surprise really that Ndidi and Benny are our second and third best players this season.
Guest ttfn Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 23 minutes ago, shen said: How bizarre that Ndidi, who has been good in general but rather inconsistent, was rated more consistently than Vardy who along with Schmeichel was probably the most consistent player throughout the season. Just highlights how merciless many on here were during the poor first half of the season. Vardy was atrocious for much of the first half of the season. He was consistent to the extent that he was consistently poor until Ranieri got the bullet (with the odd exception) and then consistently pretty good thereafter. (That's not a pointed comment by the way - whose "fault" it was that he was so ineffective has been done to death). I think a lot of people are letting the positive back end to the season mask their memories of what was a really abject first six months and Vardy personified that more than most. And that's the beauty of these ratings - they tell us a story of how we felt at the time.
shen Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 24 minutes ago, Watson said: Did you miss Vardy being dog shit for a few months? His class form since has made amends thankfully. I did not miss the first half of the season, no. 19 minutes ago, ttfn said: Vardy was atrocious for much of the first half of the season. He was consistent to the extent that he was consistently poor until Ranieri got the bullet (with the odd exception) and then consistently pretty good thereafter. (That's not a pointed comment by the way - whose "fault" it was that he was so ineffective has been done to death). I think a lot of people are letting the positive back end to the season mask their memories of what was a really abject first six months and Vardy personified that more than most. And that's the beauty of these ratings - they tell us a story of how we felt at the time. He was not atrocious. But then I realise I could be in the minority thinking this. He got next to no service during that half season. He was actually not a lot worse re: conversion rates and even distance run in that period. I do not believe people were taking this into account when they slated him. If you are referring to his pressing game, it was plainly obvious the team wasn't coherent in it's press so his solo sprint presses looked absolutely useless. I thought then and even more now that the criticism was highly unfair and I believe his 'flourish' post-Ranieri proves just that. His workrate and his efficiency on the ball never stooped to the levels some on here make out.
Guest ttfn Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 42 minutes ago, shen said: I did not miss the first half of the season, no. He was not atrocious. But then I realise I could be in the minority thinking this. He got next to no service during that half season. He was actually not a lot worse re: conversion rates and even distance run in that period. I do not believe people were taking this into account when they slated him. If you are referring to his pressing game, it was plainly obvious the team wasn't coherent in it's press so his solo sprint presses looked absolutely useless. I thought then and even more now that the criticism was highly unfair and I believe his 'flourish' post-Ranieri proves just that. His workrate and his efficiency on the ball never stooped to the levels some on here make out. His distance covered, number of sprints etc weren't good at all, they were at the very least not at the same level as his teammates - a Times article at the end of November had Musa, Slimani and Okazaki all in the top 10 for most sprints by PL strikers per 90 mins and Vardy wasn't in there - and I'd suggest (albeit anecdotally) that they would have been significantly down year-on-year. Happy to concede that it may not have been his doing (seems unlikely given that the rest of the forwards were still charging around like nutters) but even the most generous analysis of a striker who scored in 3 games before Christmas can't come to the conclusion that he was anything other than poor. And I still contend that a huge part of the reason he wasn't getting any chances was that he wasn't making the right runs or getting in the right positions (and again, happyyo acknowledge that this may have been part of our "tactics" in the first half of the season but his output was undeniably not good enough).
shen Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 8 minutes ago, ttfn said: His distance covered, number of sprints etc weren't good at all, they were at the very least not at the same level as his teammates - a Times article at the end of November had Musa, Slimani and Okazaki all in the top 10 for most sprints by PL strikers per 90 mins and Vardy wasn't in there - and I'd suggest (albeit anecdotally) that they would have been significantly down year-on-year. Happy to concede that it may not have been his doing (seems unlikely given that the rest of the forwards were still charging around like nutters) but even the most generous analysis of a striker who scored in 3 games before Christmas can't come to the conclusion that he was anything other than poor. And I still contend that a huge part of the reason he wasn't getting any chances was that he wasn't making the right runs or getting in the right positions (and again, happyyo acknowledge that this may have been part of our "tactics" in the first half of the season but his output was undeniably not good enough). Would you happen to have a link to that article? Here is the article on the Beeb from February 2017 (which arguably includes an even worse run) which dismisses that claim. Vardy actually made more sprints (!) up to that point than he did last season.
Guest ttfn Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 47 minutes ago, shen said: Would you happen to have a link to that article? Here is the article on the Beeb from February 2017 (which arguably includes an even worse run) which dismisses that claim. Vardy actually made more sprints (!) up to that point than he did last season. It's the Times, it's behind a paywall. I took a picture of it at the time and posted it on here, it's somewhere in the annals of FT.
shen Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Just now, ttfn said: It's the Times, it's behind a paywall. I took a picture of it at the time and posted it on here, it's somewhere in the annals of FT. I don't know which of the sources from the Times or the BBC hold up, but my guess is both do. Assuming the stats from the BBC are correct, then we can debunk the view that he didn't run/work as hard as we're accustomed to. Nor can we say he lost his 'edge', because he at least matched his conversion rate from last season. We also agree that he's largely not at fault for not getting as many chances as last season. Basically, we can boil his responsibility down to whether or not he 'made the right runs', which is not as easily quantifiable. But if you're telling me that a striker not 'making the right runs' (and otherwise performs well) is the difference between an 'atrocious' Vardy and a brilliant Vardy, then you have proven my point regarding the overly critical assessment of his performances this season.
Captain... Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 25 minutes ago, shen said: I don't know which of the sources from the Times or the BBC hold up, but my guess is both do. Assuming the stats from the BBC are correct, then we can debunk the view that he didn't run/work as hard as we're accustomed to. Nor can we say he lost his 'edge', because he at least matched his conversion rate from last season. We also agree that he's largely not at fault for not getting as many chances as last season. Basically, we can boil his responsibility down to whether or not he 'made the right runs', which is not as easily quantifiable. But if you're telling me that a striker not 'making the right runs' (and otherwise performs well) is the difference between an 'atrocious' Vardy and a brilliant Vardy, then you have proven my point regarding the overly critical assessment of his performances this season. Vardy needs other people to perform to look good, he can make all the runs in the world, but if nobody passes to him he will look shite, see his early England games. When we were playing poorly and just lumping balls at him then it is no surprise he got poor ratings. It's also no surprise that Kasper came out with the best ratings as the performance of his team mates doesn't negatively affect his performances in the same way.
shen Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Just now, Captain... said: Vardy needs other people to perform to look good, he can make all the runs in the world, but if nobody passes to him he will look shite, see his early England games. When we were playing poorly and just lumping balls at him then it is no surprise he got poor ratings. It's also no surprise that Kasper came out with the best ratings as the performance of his team mates doesn't negatively affect his performances in the same way. I understand the psychology behind Vardy getting lower ratings when the team performed poorly as a collective. I'm just pointing out how misguiding I think his ratings, in particular, are. Looking in isolation, I maintain that his individual performances throughout the season were at a reasonably high level, which stats tend to back up. So for him only to be rated our 14th best player of the season and the most inconsistent one just illustrates how superficial and/or prejudiced these ratings can be.
shen Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 1 hour ago, ttfn said: Thanks for that! So basically it shows which players sprint the most, with Musa and Okazaki featuring in the top 10. Incidentally, did either even complete 90 minutes up until that graph was printed? Vardy's sprint stats, as shown in the BBC article, were higher this season than last. That's the real comparison, because I assume we both agree that last season he was mint?
Guest ttfn Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 59 minutes ago, shen said: Thanks for that! So basically it shows which players sprint the most, with Musa and Okazaki featuring in the top 10. Incidentally, did either even complete 90 minutes up until that graph was printed? Vardy's sprint stats, as shown in the BBC article, were higher this season than last. That's the real comparison, because I assume we both agree that last season he was mint? Vardy was unbelievable for huge chunks of the 2015/16 season but there were also huge chunks of the season where he was either barely able (Watford home to Stoke home) or under instructions not to (the run in) make the sort of lung-bursting runs we'd become accustomed to. I wouldn't say that last season's average accurately reflects the sort of work we are accustomed to seeing Vardy put in at all - he was shit hot for 3 months and was then "managed" for the rest of the season. I'd have thought that the difference in sprints between when he was really at it up to November and the rest of the season are pretty big. You can say what you like about it, my opinion is that his movement was poor, his application was poor and his touch was poor for at least half of the season (given how few chances he had it's hard to comment on his finishing). He's obviously clearly a confidence player and it's no coincidence that once he started chasing lost causes again, taking chances on getting in behind defenders and being a general nuisance, his productivity shot right up. A huge part of Vardy at his best is that he wins a ridiculous number of cheap throws, corners and free kicks in the channels from being a pest. He turns hoofs from our generally technically limited defenders into balls which allow us to get down the pitch because he's always on the move. We didn't see that in the first half of this season and the team suffered as a result. I could point to him scoring 2 goals before December but that wasn't the biggest loss of him not performing. We weren't getting the real Vardy at all.
KingsX Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Great OP, and shaping up as a good thread. No shock that Vardy's and Benny's positions in the table are drawing the comments so far. Thanks DB11 for the match polls and this.
lcfcben76 Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Love that Schlupp was here half a season but still managed to bag himself the two lowest individual performance ratings
UPinCarolina Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 27 minutes ago, lcfcben76 said: Love that Schlupp was here half a season but still managed to bag himself the two lowest individual performance ratings not as surprised as he is
Thracian Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 How Benny gets third best player of the season I've no idea. He had his good and bad days but there weren't so many anyway and certainly not enough to justify that rating on the face of it But does it actually reflect how disappointing we were before Ranieri's sacking rather than anything marvellous about Benny?
WigstonWanderer Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 42 minutes ago, Thracian said: How Benny gets third best player of the season I've no idea. He had his good and bad days but there weren't so many anyway and certainly not enough to justify that rating on the face of it But does it actually reflect how disappointing we were before Ranieri's sacking rather than anything marvellous about Benny? Think it was just sheer relief finding that we had someone to fill the gap at CB position caused by injuries, etc. He had some good performances early on, but a bit dodgy towards the end.
shen Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 18 hours ago, ttfn said: Vardy was unbelievable for huge chunks of the 2015/16 season but there were also huge chunks of the season where he was either barely able (Watford home to Stoke home) or under instructions not to (the run in) make the sort of lung-bursting runs we'd become accustomed to. I wouldn't say that last season's average accurately reflects the sort of work we are accustomed to seeing Vardy put in at all - he was shit hot for 3 months and was then "managed" for the rest of the season. I'd have thought that the difference in sprints between when he was really at it up to November and the rest of the season are pretty big. You can say what you like about it, my opinion is that his movement was poor, his application was poor and his touch was poor for at least half of the season (given how few chances he had it's hard to comment on his finishing). He's obviously clearly a confidence player and it's no coincidence that once he started chasing lost causes again, taking chances on getting in behind defenders and being a general nuisance, his productivity shot right up. A huge part of Vardy at his best is that he wins a ridiculous number of cheap throws, corners and free kicks in the channels from being a pest. He turns hoofs from our generally technically limited defenders into balls which allow us to get down the pitch because he's always on the move. We didn't see that in the first half of this season and the team suffered as a result. I could point to him scoring 2 goals before December but that wasn't the biggest loss of him not performing. We weren't getting the real Vardy at all. I respect your opinion and I wasn't expecting to sway you as such. It would be interesting to see how the stats were distributed across last season. I don't quite agree with your assessment of it, but fine. My view is that he is actually a pretty consistent performer even when things are not going his way. As has been mentioned, he is wholly dependent on good service and support. As you say, when he's at his best it's when his teammates can launch the ball in the direction he's actually heading. It sounds easy, but it requires lots of anticipation from both Vardy, the wingers and the passer. That coordination was entirely lacking and I do not think it was because Vardy suddenly forgot how to make good runs. When you see him play, it's very much second nature to him. So either he was 'managed', as you call it, to not do those runs, or the whole team coordination was disjointed as a result of confusing tactics and poor service and support.
shen Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 1 hour ago, Thracian said: How Benny gets third best player of the season I've no idea. He had his good and bad days but there weren't so many anyway and certainly not enough to justify that rating on the face of it But does it actually reflect how disappointing we were before Ranieri's sacking rather than anything marvellous about Benny? Without a doubt, yes. As you say, he had bad days, but fewer in total than those involved under Ranieri. I'm sure if you look in isolation post-Ranieri, Benny would not be top three.
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