The Doctor Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 AfD third biggest party and looking like official opposition - then people asking how they're far right... I know the terms Nazi and far-right are tossed around liberally, but surely a party whose leader suggested that Nazi soldiers should be a point of national pride are still warranting that. They're actually Nazi sympathisers this time, not just people we disagree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 5 hours ago, MattP said: http://news.sky.com/story/labour-conference-delegates-block-meaningful-vote-on-brexit-11051966 For the second year on the bounce, quite astounding really they refuse to debate the biggest political decision of our time. P.S The people shouting "scab" at Dennis Skinner The irony of all political irony. I'm glad tbh. Thibk the party has ti hold the line it is. The members would force thigh policy to stay in the single market why v would not be good for there election chances. Need to accept the only way you're getting into government (either party) is to leave the single market then as quietly as possible pay for free trade and try to minimise the concessions around immigration as far as possible. Its exactly what the tories will do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 4 minutes ago, The Doctor said: AfD third biggest party and looking like official opposition - then people asking how they're far right... I know the terms Nazi and far-right are tossed around liberally, but surely a party whose leader suggested that Nazi soldiers should be a point of national pride are still warranting that. They're actually Nazi sympathisers this time, not just people we disagree with. They are a vile party. My area of Germany had quite a few afd voters, mainly in the Russian part of the city and the area where it is run down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 42 minutes ago, toddybad said: I'm glad tbh. Thibk the party has ti hold the line it is. The members would force thigh policy to stay in the single market why v would not be good for there election chances. Need to accept the only way you're getting into government (either party) is to leave the single market then as quietly as possible pay for free trade and try to minimise the concessions around immigration as far as possible. Its exactly what the tories will do too. Glad? How can anyone be glad the party they support refuses to even debate the biggest political decision probably of our lives, it's unbelievable. Me and @Alf Bentley had a conversation about this last year and one thing we both agreed on was that it shows Labour at that minute wasn't a serious party, they are now a potential government, you can get away with ducking the big issues when you are 24% in the polls and no one expects you to win but not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 So Merkel gets 33% of the vote and is still Queen of Europe whereas May gets 42%+ and is a dead woman walking, strange world. Chaotic result tbh and the coalition could now takes months to work out, AfD did better than expected and will take about 90 seats, I think Angela may be remembered for her refugee policy more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 30 minutes ago, MattP said: Glad? How can anyone be glad the party they support refuses to even debate the biggest political decision probably of our lives, it's unbelievable. Me and @Alf Bentley had a conversation about this last year and one thing we both agreed on was that it shows Labour at that minute wasn't a serious party, they are now a potential government, you can get away with ducking the big issues when you are 24% in the polls and no one expects you to win but not now. Sorry but the tories are hardly covering themselves in glory over brexit. It lasted 1 day after Mays speech for boris fanboys to start attacking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 17 minutes ago, toddybad said: Sorry but the tories are hardly covering themselves in glory over brexit. It lasted 1 day after Mays speech for boris fanboys to start attacking again. I have no idea what that has to do with the Labour conference deciding it doesn't want to debate Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 (edited) Saddest thing about the conference I've read is that Laura Kuennsberg has had to hire bodyguards. How have we got to that point in a country like this? Edited 25 September 2017 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 So here the oldies got attacked for c\using Brexit, are the 35-44 years going to get similar treatment for their support of the Nazis. Quote According to analysis by broadcaster ARD, the AfD vote was highest among 35-44 year-olds, at 16%, and lowest among those above the age of 70, at 7%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 2 minutes ago, davieG said: So here the oldies got attacked for c\using Brexit, are the 35-44 years going to get similar treatment for their support of the Nazis. Most of the voters for the Front National in France are young as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 7 minutes ago, MattP said: Most of the voters for the Front National in France are young as well. The same forces at work as brexit. Yet its the older crowd here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 9 minutes ago, davieG said: So here the oldies got attacked for c\using Brexit, are the 35-44 years going to get similar treatment for their support of the Nazis. That's a troubling stat but at 16% it's nowhere near the levels of saturation in the Brexit vote so it's hardly a fair comparison. If 65% of 35-44 y/os voted for them then you'd have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Just now, Carl the Llama said: That's a troubling stat but at 16% it's nowhere near the levels of saturation in the Brexit vote so it's hardly a fair comparison. If 65% of 35-44 y/os voted for them then you'd have a point. Aye but Brexit is nowhere near as dangerous as AfD in fact it's not even in the same league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 I'm not overly sure there's any need for Labour to debate Brexit. Unless you're an ostrich and have your head in the sand, you'd know that Corbyn is, always has been and always will be a eurosceptic and the only leader that will deliver a hard brexit no questions asked. The party is now run as a dictatorship with Corbyn at the helm so what he says goes. It astounds me that anybody out there thinks that Labour will somehow keep us closely aligned to the EU. They haven't shouted it from the rooftops but it doesn't need Sherlock Holmes to find this out. They'd leave the single market, customs union etc, they'd ditch freedom of movement and they'd nationalise everything. For Labour with Corbyn at the helm, a party conference is now a waste of time. He should just send a leaflet to everyone saying, 'agree or fvck off'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 1 minute ago, davieG said: Aye but Brexit is nowhere near as dangerous as AfD in fact it's not even in the same league. No but at 16% I'm not going to get too concerned, pretty sure BNP had similar at their peak but we're not goosestepping to Jerusalem today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 3 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: I'm not overly sure there's any need for Labour to debate Brexit. Unless you're an ostrich and have your head in the sand, you'd know that Corbyn is, always has been and always will be a eurosceptic and the only leader that will deliver a hard brexit no questions asked. The party is now run as a dictatorship with Corbyn at the helm so what he says goes. It astounds me that anybody out there thinks that Labour will somehow keep us closely aligned to the EU. They haven't shouted it from the rooftops but it doesn't need Sherlock Holmes to find this out. They'd leave the single market, customs union etc, they'd ditch freedom of movement and they'd nationalise everything. For Labour with Corbyn at the helm, a party conference is now a waste of time. He should just send a leaflet to everyone saying, 'agree or fvck off'. They're debating it today anyway. They just aren't debating staying in the single market - correctly in my view. Not sure which parties you think aren't run by the leader. The tories usually are its just their leader is basically dancing to the tune of the various cabinet factions to keep her job as long as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 4 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: No but at 16% I'm not going to get too concerned, pretty sure BNP had similar at their peak but we're not goosestepping to Jerusalem today. Well I seem to remember Brexit Leave voters and particularly the oldies being accused of pushing the country to the far right and being racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 35 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: No but at 16% I'm not going to get too concerned, pretty sure BNP had similar at their peak but we're not goosestepping to Jerusalem today. The BNP never got anywhere near 16% of the national vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Len McCluskey's words leaving the stage "Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Corbyn flag flying here." This is a religious gathering, not a political conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 23 minutes ago, MattP said: Len McCluskey's words leaving the stage "Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Corbyn flag flying here." This is a religious gathering, not a political conference. In fairness, political factions do become rather zealot-like in the way they follow particular ideologies - the same could be said of thatcherism as corbynism. Me and you are probably both good examples of this in the way we both argue on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSi13 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 29 minutes ago, MattP said: The BNP never got anywhere near 16% of the national vote. Indeed, it got a whopping 1.9% of the vote at its peak in 2010. The British have never voted for the Far-Right in numbers like we've seen in Germany and France. If European leaders aren't going to wake up and smell the coffee now. Then they never will. Sadly it will be our grandchildren that pay the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, toddybad said: In fairness, political factions do become rather zealot-like in the way they follow particular ideologies - the same could be said of thatcherism as corbynism. Me and you are probably both good examples of this in the way we both argue on here.... I've never seen a Tory singing a song dedicated to the leader or walking through the conference hall holding a picture of Thatcher above their heads. McDonnell is on now, not only are Labour doing HS2 but it's extending all the way to Scotland and Cornwall now, imaginative I'll give him that. Most bizarre policy so far is probably that parliament would determine the share price of nationalised industries, playing again onto that fear that it's only fat cats buying them (research shows small investors actually do most), economics of the mad house. Not sure if they would even be allowed to do this under the current humans rights act, i.e the right to property includes shares in utilities etc Cash in your pensions if this lot get elected as quick as you can. Edited 25 September 2017 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 PFI contracts to come back into the public. I think that's about 60 billion they need to find at first glance. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 So labours brexit stance is "um... Let's not talk about it"? Outstanding. And people keep telling me the Torys can't come to an agreement. Labour can't even discuss disagreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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