Guest Posted 20 July 2018 Share Posted 20 July 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, MattP said: Massive difference between leaking/briefing and then putting up official alternative policy - as I say look at the shit a few amendments caused. But we're talking about whether anybody has a potential solution. Hard Brexiteers have been banging on about all sorts of things but none of them are a solution. They don't need to put up an alternative policy to discuss potential policies - but they've never come up with anything that would either be agreed by the EU or would actually work. Nobody has an answer. It's why all you get from people like Boris, when he publically calls out May's plan as bad, are more of the same soundbites about believing in Britain. They don't like the way Brexit is going but have absolutely no idea what they actually want in a world that needs a practical solution. It's just fantasies with no thought at all to the real world. Edited 20 July 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 20 July 2018 Share Posted 20 July 2018 21 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Don’t say you wouldn’t have the derty slaaaaaag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lionator Posted 20 July 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 20 July 2018 3 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: I just want somebody - anybody to come up with a workable solution to this problem, because quite frankly I am not sure there is a solution that doesn't at least cause and economic problems and major unemployment in the short/medium term. My fear as well as this will lead to a global recession, If one of the major economies and financial centres suddenly has a financial crash there will be wider implications. You were told this but it just got dismissed as 'project fear' as opposed to 'project this is what will happen if we leave the European Union'. We have been part of this organisation for 45 years, we are deeply entrenched in it and there's no workable solution, Boris keeps chuntering on about saving Brexit but he doesn't offer a solution because there isn't one! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 20 July 2018 Share Posted 20 July 2018 2 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Don’t say you wouldn’t have the derty slaaaaaag. My word. That is sexy. HARD Brexit for me tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 20 July 2018 Share Posted 20 July 2018 None of the parties seem to have any clue how to deliver a successful Brexit. I voted remain but we've got to get on with it somehow. Whichever way it pans out - hard, soft, no deal - it's going to be a big vote loser for the Govt of the day. Long term however Brexit might end up being a good thing...but a lot of trouble before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 July 2018 Share Posted 20 July 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: None of the parties seem to have any clue how to deliver a successful Brexit. I voted remain but we've got to get on with it somehow. Whichever way it pans out - hard, soft, no deal - it's going to be a big vote loser for the Govt of the day. Long term however Brexit might end up being a good thing...but a lot of trouble before that. I think the trouble is 44 years of integration across innumerable complex systems means I'm not convinced we actually CAN come out in any realistic way without 'project fear' becoming 'project underselling the devastation of reality'. I don't think there's anybody anywhere who understands all of the complexities and issues it raises. I get that for many leavers just walking away sounds simple and easy but I don't think any of the leave politicians realised they were opening Pandora's Box and they've allowed millions to believe in something that isn't achievable without ripping the heart out of our economy. It's hope over reality I'm afraid. Edited 20 July 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 If you genuinely still think Brexit will be good for this country you're a ****ing idiot, I'm afraid. With all due respect, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 3 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: If you genuinely still think Brexit will be good for this country you're a ****ing idiot, I'm afraid. With all due respect, of course. What about if I still think it'll be good for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 13 minutes ago, Innovindil said: What about if I still think it'll be good for me? What makes you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 15 minutes ago, Innovindil said: What about if I still think it'll be good for me? Then you're a self-centred cvnt. With all due respect, of course... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, toddybad said: What makes you think that? Most of my income is paid in AUD from Oz. No deal Brexit and a Labour government would be great for me personally. It always baffles me how anyone is daft enough to fall for the "xxxxx will be a disaster for everyone". It's never like that Edited 21 July 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 Proper hard left Labour outside the Co-Op on Aikman Avenue today. Pleasant people but some craziness, the woman on the stall gave me Venezuela as an example of where their policies have been successful. It's usually us who throw that line in. Brutally honest though on everything, they'd go for No deal Brexit, wealth tax, massive corp tax hike, as much borrowing as necessary, refreshing in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buce Posted 21 July 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 21 July 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Most of my income is paid in AUD from Oz. No deal Brexit and a Labour government would be great for me personally. It always baffles me how anyone is daft enough to fall for the "xxxxx will be a disaster for everyone". It's never like that Thing is, Matt, none of us is an island - you won't remain unaffected if society falls apart, regardless of your personal finances. And although I too am unlikely to be affected economically, whatever happens, I still care about what kind of a country my daughter is going to grow up in. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buce said: Thing is, Matt, none of us is an island - you won't remain unaffected if society falls apart, regardless of your personal finances. And although I too am unlikely to be affected economically, whatever happens, I still care about what kind of a country my daughter is going to grow up in. Of course, whatever happens though society isn't going to fall apart, I'm pretty sure of that. I care about the last as much as you, we just have different viewpoints on it. Edited 21 July 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 21 hours ago, Lionator said: You were told this but it just got dismissed as 'project fear' as opposed to 'project this is what will happen if we leave the European Union'. We have been part of this organisation for 45 years, we are deeply entrenched in it and there's no workable solution, Boris keeps chuntering on about saving Brexit but he doesn't offer a solution because there isn't one! We have NOT been part of the E.U. for 45 years, do your homework. We joined the Common Market, which was completely different. It was purely based on trade, within some European Countries, and that was all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 On 19/07/2018 at 21:01, toddybad said: It's just the majority of people pushing for no deal or hard Brexit don't have jobs to worry about. Pure banal supposition, like most of your posts are based on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 On 19/07/2018 at 20:41, Buce said: DT is, like, 300 years old like most Brexiters. I like, kind of see your point, I dig the heavy stuff, like crazy, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 4 hours ago, Buce said: Thing is, Matt, none of us is an island - you won't remain unaffected if society falls apart, regardless of your personal finances. And although I too am unlikely to be affected economically, whatever happens, I still care about what kind of a country my daughter is going to grow up in. Wow, and I didn't have to be the one to say it this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: Pure banal supposition, like most of your posts are based on. It's a football forum. I don't need to be as accurate as a politician. My point is clearly that it's easy for you to support a hard Brexit when you don't have a job to worry about. But you don't want to answer that do you? Much easier to worry about the precise wording of a sentence and argue over whether pensioners add up to 10% or 51% of Brexiteers. I'd rather post supposition than some of the stuff you post. Poor child. Edited 21 July 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bovril Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 Inside Bannon's Plan to Hijack Europe for the Far Right https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-bannons-plan-to-hijack-europe-for-the-far-right?ref=scroll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, bovril said: Inside Bannon's Plan to Hijack Europe for the Far Right https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-bannons-plan-to-hijack-europe-for-the-far-right?ref=scroll Well, it worked in the US so why not? And I don't believe for a second that the ethno-nationalists will be kept out of this one. If he succeeds in what he wants to do wrt installing far more nationalist groups across Europe, then IMO it is an extreme probability at least some or all of Europe sees war again within a couple of decades afterwards. That's the endgame for Bannon and those like him, after all and he knows it takes that to get it: a victorious white Europe and the US, cleansed of the unclean "hordes". Edited 21 July 2018 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 43 minutes ago, bovril said: Inside Bannon's Plan to Hijack Europe for the Far Right https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-bannons-plan-to-hijack-europe-for-the-far-right?ref=scroll Just leave Merkel in charge of Germany with a European Commission enforcing migration and monetary policy on the poorer nations and it will happen naturally, no need for Bannon at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 July 2018 Share Posted 21 July 2018 29 minutes ago, MattP said: Just leave Merkel in charge of Germany with a European Commission enforcing migration and monetary policy on the poorer nations and it will happen naturally, no need for Bannon at all. Maybe so, but he'll certainly do his best to accelerate the process. Honestly though, I can't get my head round the mentality of anyone who would want that kind of endgame. It means at the best quite serious social upheaval and at the worst a death count in the hundreds of thousands to millions (the likely outcome is probably somewhere between the two). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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