PL: Third of fans say they watch illegal streams of matches

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

3 hours ago, stripeyfox said:

I tried one of the kodi app things but it was a complete ballache trying to find what I was looking for. I don't assume I have an automatic right to watch every game which some people apparently do....

 

Err, what?  Do you work for Sky?

[ultrafox]

Nevermind streaming.....if SKY, BT SPORT, or the PL are so concerned about the law, why are they not going after everyone in continental Europe and beyond with a SKY subscription. It's illegal to watch UK SKY or BT Sports outside of the UK owing to licencing contracts.

Reason they don't go after anyone is...they still get big revenue from beyond the UK........illegally!  ...and they know it.

 

Talk about double standards!

 

 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 hours ago, Webbo said:

Is that true though? Can Germans watch any German league matches at 3pm in Germany?

I don't have personal experience with that, but I do remember Klopp remarking once that its easier to watch the Prem in Germany than in England

[Webbo]

2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I don't have personal experience with that, but I do remember Klopp remarking once that its easier to watch the Prem in Germany than in England

That's because people living in Germany are unlikely to be attending a match in England so it won't affect the gates.

[Guest MattP]

1 hour ago, Vacamion said:

I currently pay for Sky Sport and BT Sports.

 

The only times I watch a stream is when the product is not on sale elsewhere.

 

I'd happily pay a further subscription to watch Leicester City's games and pay for a legal, reliable stream.

 

There's a gap in the market.  The Premier League needs to meet it.

Spot on, I would also happily pay to watch games I can't get access to.

 

If you kick off at 3pm on a Saturday and give me no legal way to pay for the product to watch it, I'll have to find an illegal way to do so.

 

I sympathise with them if people are stealing the product on Super Sunday but the only have themselves to blame for games we can't get.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

The FA are considering the attendances at lower league teams as well. Would you really pay £20 to go and watch Stockport County lose in January, when you could around to your mate's house, sit in the warm and drink beer watching world class players for next to nothing? It wasn't that long ago that we were in league 1, we could've been suffering because of this. People who claim to be against modern football and care about the whole game should consider this.

 

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

That's because people living in Germany are unlikely to be attending a match in England so it won't affect the gates.

I don't know if i'm being ignorant here, but is it all really just to protect match attendance?  I thought it was more about protecting the elites of the prem.  Going to matches is different to watching it on TV.  I would go to more matches if I could.  I thought people liked going to games?

Its not as if if it was available on telly and legal streams people would stop going to matches.  Or, if thats the case, soon the stadiums will empty and then the games will be replaced with Fifa on the playstation anyway

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

 

I don't know if i'm being ignorant here, but is it all really just to protect match attendance?  I thought it was more about protecting the elites of the prem.  Going to matches is different to watching it on TV.  I would go to more matches if I could.  I thought people liked going to games?

Its not as if if it was available on telly and legal streams people would stop going to matches.  Or, if thats the case, soon the stadiums will empty and then the games will be replaced with Fifa on the playstation anyway

(And we'd still do shit in the transfer market for expert gamers  )

[ultrafox]

8 minutes ago, Webbo said:

That's because people living in Germany are unlikely to be attending a match in England so it won't affect the gates.

 

I honestly don't think gate receipts would be affected that much. There's so much football on TV these days. The affect has already happened.

 

If anything...if there was such a thing as a LCFC TV season ticket I think the our revenue would be increased. 

 

 It's a different experience watching games live....many fans still prefer the day out and being part of the atmosphere. I know I do.

 

Do you think many season ticket holders would swap their season ticket for a TV Season ticket? Maybe one for a poll?

[Webbo]

Just now, ultrafox said:

 

I honestly don't think gate receipts would be affected that much. There's so much football on TV these days. The affect has already happened.

 

If anything...if there was such a thing as a LCFC TV season ticket I think the our revenue would be increased. 

 

 It's a different experience watching games live....many fans still prefer the day out and being part of the atmosphere. I know I do.

 

Do you think many season ticket holders would swap their season ticket for a TV Season ticket? Maybe one for a poll?

If we had TV season tickets and Man U sold 10 times more than we did, don't you think that Man U would be demanding 10 times the money? At the minute the money is quite fairly distributed, that could all change and not necessarily to our benefit. Doing this will open up a whole can of worms. It's not just  a case of Sky/ the premier league being greedy.

[Beliall]

1 hour ago, ScouseFox said:

what the hell are the other two thirds of people doing 

Supporting Derby

[Captain...]

3 minutes ago, ultrafox said:

I honestly don't think gate receipts would be affected that much. There's so much football on TV these days. The affect has already happened.

 

Exactly, the law came about pre-sky, pre-digital,  pre-internet, pre-illegal streaming.

 

It is actually from the 60s,  football was a very different beast back then, lower league clubs relied on revenue from fans, not TV and if fans stopped going then they would be bankrupt. Now a days the TV money filters down the league, whilst all clubs would like to increase their attendances the reality is that the big clubs are already hoovering up the fan base with the wall to wall sky and BT coverage, so the damage is already done, but it is that very same TV money that is keeping these clubs alive along with the inflated transfer fees in the Prem and Championship trickling down either directly or with sell on clauses. Illegal streaming and pubs showing 3 o'clock games means there is already an alternative, so I really see no point in persisting with this archaic outdated rule.

[ozleicester]

hahahaha

 

Eat the rich

[Guest MattP]

11 minutes ago, ultrafox said:

I honestly don't think gate receipts would be affected that much. There's so much football on TV these days. The affect has already happened.

I think it would effect the gates a little, longer term a lot more, I know a few people now who don't go to the games when they are on TV despite having season tickets.

 

That's before we even start on teams like Stoke and West Brom who can't even sell out now most of the time for a 3pm kick off on a Saturday. 

 

It would only be natural for attendances to drop on a Saturday if the games were avaliable on television. 

[Webbo]

3 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Exactly, the law came about pre-sky, pre-digital,  pre-internet, pre-illegal streaming.

 

It is actually from the 60s,  football was a very different beast back then, lower league clubs relied on revenue from fans, not TV and if fans stopped going then they would be bankrupt. Now a days the TV money filters down the league, whilst all clubs would like to increase their attendances the reality is that the big clubs are already hoovering up the fan base with the wall to wall sky and BT coverage, so the damage is already done, but it is that very same TV money that is keeping these clubs alive along with the inflated transfer fees in the Prem and Championship trickling down either directly or with sell on clauses. Illegal streaming and pubs showing 3 o'clock games means there is already an alternative, so I really see no point in persisting with this archaic outdated rule.

What you say is very true, the damage is done now and it's inevitable that we will get what people are asking for eventually. It's just that there will be negative consequences too.

[ultrafox]

Good pre-season discussion this!

[Captain...]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

What you say is very true, the damage is done now and it's inevitable that we will get what people are asking for eventually. It's just that there will be negative consequences too.

I guess it depends on whether fans take an interest in their local club or not, if I lived near Leyton Orient, Charlton or Blackpool I know who I would be supporting and it wouldn't be them, but you have clubs like AFC Wimbledon, Forest Green Rovers, Accrington Stanley, Lincoln that have attracted fans and caught the public interest. There is also a "hipster" football movement where some fans are put off the big clubs and want to support the lower league clubs, this is where something like safe standing in lower league grounds could help attract more fans.

 

You are right of course that by removing that law there is no guarantee of anything getting better, Sky and BT will still monopolise and will use that to turn football into more of a product.

[Guest MattP]

6 minutes ago, Captain... said:

I guess it depends on whether fans take an interest in their local club or not, if I lived near Leyton Orient, Charlton or Blackpool I know who I would be supporting and it wouldn't be them, but you have clubs like AFC Wimbledon, Forest Green Rovers, Accrington Stanley, Lincoln that have attracted fans and caught the public interest. There is also a "hipster" football movement where some fans are put off the big clubs and want to support the lower league clubs, this is where something like safe standing in lower league grounds could help attract more fans.

Are there many lower league grounds that don't have standing? 

 

I often go and watch Newport away if City aren't playing as two mates support them, been 8-10 times and never not stood.

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

I feel threre was a Netflix that meant you could stream every PL game in 4k then I imagine that 90% of streamers would pay for it.

DAZN almost have it right - 10 euros a month gets you a **** ton of sport. However, they don't have rights for 3pm kick-offs in the UK so I haven't paid for it just yet. They have bought rights for Bundesliga starting 18/19 though. Can stream via phone, laptop, PS4, etc. I think they will end up taking over.

 

https://www.dazn.com/en-DE for anyone in DACH countries or Japan that is interested

[Sambiasso]

4 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

And the annoying thing is that, it's your isp, who you pay money to provide a service, is going to grass you up to the law. Bit like a drug pusher grassing up the people he sells drugs to.

Not when you use a VPN.

[Captain...]

7 minutes ago, MattP said:

Are there many lower league grounds that don't have standing? 

 

I often go and watch Newport away if City aren't playing as two mates support them, been 8-10 times and never not stood.

I don't know to be honest, but I was thinking the likes of Shrewsbury that are bringing safe standing to the New Meadow. You want an antidote to the Premier League, then a lower league club with sanitised all seater stadia aren't going to fit the bill.

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

To be fair, we can go and watch the game live. 

but not everyone can. people here who want to go and watch it live but can't do so don't have the option to flick on the TV, find their sports channel and tune in. Whereas those who don't have any intention of going to watch it live can still stick their tele on and watch it. 

[Bryn]

Its quite simple to fix, televise all the games. I want to watch Leicester City, I'm happy to pay for it but there's no legal method.

[WigstonWanderer]

What do people feel about delayed transmission that avoids the 3pm to 5pm reserved slot. Not the same as live, but better than nothing.

 

what do you actually get in the uk now? Are all games broadcast eventually on Sky/BT?

[StanSP]

4 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

What do people feel about delayed transmission that avoids the 3pm to 5pm reserved slot. Not the same as live, but better than nothing.

 

what do you actually get in the uk now? Are all games broadcast eventually on Sky/BT?

in UK Sky and BT share a lot of live matches but only at 12.30pm & 5.30pm on a Saturday and 1.30pm and 4pm on a Sunday. Oh and 8pm on a Monday night.

 

The choice for games is chosen entirely by Sky and BT. Monday night football is always on Sky and depending on the deal, they get first choice on games for their time-slot.  

[WigstonWanderer]

6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

in UK Sky and BT share a lot of live matches but only at 12.30pm & 5.30pm on a Saturday and 1.30pm and 4pm on a Sunday. Oh and 8pm on a Monday night.

 

The choice for games is chosen entirely by Sky and BT. Monday night football is always on Sky and depending on the deal, they get first choice on games for their time-slot.  

But do the 3pm matches ever get broad cast in full, delayed?

 

Worst possible situation btw, having them split between Sky & BT, the exact opposite of what would normally be expected from competition. True competition would be if more that one provider had rights to each match.