Bunyip Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 1 hour ago, foxfanazer said: There's only one rumour worrying me right now and that's Andros Townsend. If we sign him I genuinely don't know what our ambitions are We have no ambitions. that's why the likes of Mahrez and Drinkwater want out. The appointment of Shakespear was a backward step and showed no ambition from the owners. You want to move up or at least try and sit at the big table you need a top manager with ambition and the money and recruiting muscle to go with it we did none of those things. we have missed that chance of a lifetime after the poor recruitment last season and our top players know we are on the downward spiral. Something is not right behind the scenes at the club and deep down most of us now expect to go back to a struggling Premiership club who will just be happy to survive each year. I know I'm going to get some stick for pointing out the obvious, but that is my honest opinion.
les-tah Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 23 minutes ago, Bunyip said: We have no ambitions. that's why the likes of Mahrez and Drinkwater want out. The appointment of Shakespear was a backward step and showed no ambition from the owners. You want to move up or at least try and sit at the big table you need a top manager with ambition and the money and recruiting muscle to go with it we did none of those things. we have missed that chance of a lifetime after the poor recruitment last season and our top players know we are on the downward spiral. Something is not right behind the scenes at the club and deep down most of us now expect to go back to a struggling Premiership club who will just be happy to survive each year. I know I'm going to get some stick for pointing out the obvious, but that is my honest opinion. jeees because the likes of ronald de boer and rafa are working really well. But i agree with last years recuritment... whoever fault that was. That was a chance to springboard us to the top.
Babylon Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 People can bid all they want, the club aren't stupid. No matter what the players want, we aren't going to commit footballing suicide by letting everyone leave without replacements.
Guest Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 4 minutes ago, Babylon said: People can bid all they want, the club aren't stupid. No matter what the players want, we aren't going to commit footballing suicide by letting everyone leave without replacements. I hope this is the case. Surely our owners are too clever to sell without getting replacements in first and we have no reason to sell Mahrez or Drinky at all. I cannot believe that we're offering Gray to anyone and certainly not plus £10m (or any cash) for Townsend. Gray is simply the better player and if anything it'd be £10m in the opposite direction. Didn't we turn down a large offer from Bournemouth for Gray. That just sounds like media stupidity. And why is it that every player in the transfer discussions is waaay overpriced other than Leicester players who seem to be underpriced (I'm talking about Mahrez and Drinky here)? Are my glasses so blue tinted or is this again media BS?
HighPeakFox Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 Most of what is printed is BS. The whole thing is largely a charade.
foxy boxing Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 At the end of the day players come and players go, as a club we need to find decent replacements for those who depart. we need quality in all areas and those coming in need to hit the ground running and be able to adapt to whatever playing style!
Joefox Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 It's the reality of a club our size. We are affectively just an unofficial scouting tool for the top clubs. Any players we buy who turn out quality will want to leave for a top club when a bid comes in. Its ra like if Maguire carries on like this they'll be an upcoming bid for him soon as well.
PaulW Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 2 hours ago, Bunyip said: We have no ambitions. that's why the likes of Mahrez and Drinkwater want out. The appointment of Shakespear was a backward step and showed no ambition from the owners. You want to move up or at least try and sit at the big table you need a top manager with ambition and the money and recruiting muscle to go with it we did none of those things. we have missed that chance of a lifetime after the poor recruitment last season and our top players know we are on the downward spiral. Something is not right behind the scenes at the club and deep down most of us now expect to go back to a struggling Premiership club who will just be happy to survive each year. I know I'm going to get some stick for pointing out the obvious, but that is my honest opinion. Yup.......that's how they became self-made billionaires.
Wymsey Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 It does seem, now, that some players wish to leave and other big clubs want them. This makes me wonder whether there's been some discontent I the squad recently or someone has said something which we don't know about.
goose2010 Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 Sick of people saying that our recuitment was poor last season, if West Brom or Burnley won the league this season would you see the top players automatically wanting to sign for them? no you wouldnt we punched massively above our weight last season and it proved to be impossible to reprocude. I think some of you need a reality check, basically thinking the likes of Pogba should have signed for us because we were in the champs league and united werent?! Get your head out of Football Manager and get in the real world!
Guest Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 20 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: It does seem, now, that some players wish to leave and other big clubs want them. This makes me wonder whether there's been some discontent I the squad recently or someone has said something which we don't know about. It doesn't make me think of discontentment. Players want to play for one of the historically big teams and be part of history. I don't want players to leave but if they are going to be let go then we need replacements first - and that means today!!
Bunyip Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 2 hours ago, PaulW said: Yup.......that's how they became self-made billionaires. They became billionaires alright but not through football.
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 1 hour ago, goose2010 said: Sick of people saying that our recuitment was poor last season, if West Brom or Burnley won the league this season would you see the top players automatically wanting to sign for them? no you wouldnt we punched massively above our weight last season and it proved to be impossible to reprocude. I think some of you need a reality check, basically thinking the likes of Pogba should have signed for us because we were in the champs league and united werent?! Get your head out of Football Manager and get in the real world! Our recruitment was absolutely awful last season. Truly awful imo. We were never going to attract Neymar, but we were in the best position that we may well ever have been, to be able to attract some really very good players. We got Mendy, Musa and Slimani. The club somehow went from being run almost like clockwork (team players as opposed to 'big signings' etc) to being run in an almost shambolic way, overnight. It was bizarre.
goose2010 Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 Just now, Col city fan said: Our recruitment was absolutely awful last season. Truly awful imo. We were never going to attract Neymar, but we were in the best position that we may well ever have been, to be able to attract some really very good players. We got Mendy, Musa and Slimani. Who says we were in a good posistion? The reason why we won the league is because we were a tight unit that played for each other if we had signed another 4 or 5 players and disrupted that team who knows where we would be now! Everyone were creaming over the new signings before the season started! Musa - proven to score goals with champs league experience Silmani - see above Mendy - unreal stats playing in the french league (see kante a season before signed for us) just because they haven't exactly worked out isnt Rudkins fault is it! We owed the squad that won us the league the chance to play at the very highest of levels and lets be honest they all did us proud. So to use the line 'Our recruitment was absolutely awful last season' isnt justified.
Babylon Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 41 minutes ago, Bunyip said: They became billionaires alright but not through football. No they just won the championship and the premier league in their first 5 years in football.
Babylon Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 5 hours ago, Bunyip said: We have no ambitions. that's why the likes of Mahrez and Drinkwater want out. The appointment of Shakespear was a backward step and showed no ambition from the owners. You want to move up or at least try and sit at the big table you need a top manager with ambition and the money and recruiting muscle to go with it we did none of those things. we have missed that chance of a lifetime after the poor recruitment last season and our top players know we are on the downward spiral. Something is not right behind the scenes at the club and deep down most of us now expect to go back to a struggling Premiership club who will just be happy to survive each year. I know I'm going to get some stick for pointing out the obvious, but that is my honest opinion. Bet you slated them for having no ambition in getting Pearson back and then getting Ranieri, how did they work out? It's not about names, or fancy en vogue foreign managers. It's about making the right decisions, they have nearly always made the right calls so far. Did Ronaldo want to leave united because United had no ambition? You could name hundreds of players who have left good, ambitious clubs to move to bigger teams. It's about personal ambition, their careers are short with no guarantees so 99% of the time players take those opportunities to move to already big clubs over sticking it out at smaller clubs who have long term ambitions. What the owners want to do takes decades without silly money... even with a billion quid it can take 5 or 6 years. We're not Man City or Chelsea and never will be without an oil tycoon. Get over it.... the best we can hope for is top of the second pack and currently our spend matches that.
PaulW Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 1 hour ago, Bunyip said: They became billionaires alright but not through football. Lucky they've got you to let them know where they're going wrong.
Bunyip Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 19 minutes ago, PaulW said: Lucky they've got you to let them know where they're going wrong. Just quoting a fact, it has nothing to do with me letting them know anything.
PaulW Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 2 minutes ago, Bunyip said: Just quoting a fact, it has nothing to do with me letting them know anything. 'Fact'?.......thought you were 'just stating my honest opinion'. The facts are that the owner's are amongst the world's most successful, (& richest) businessmen, & that football these days is first & foremost a business. Think I'd trust their judgement.
Bunyip Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 32 minutes ago, Babylon said: Bet you slated them for having no ambition in getting Pearson back and then getting Ranieri, how did they work out? It's not about names, or fancy en vogue foreign managers. It's about making the right decisions, they have nearly always made the right calls so far. Did Ronaldo want to leave united because United had no ambition? You could name hundreds of players who have left good, ambitious clubs to move to bigger teams. It's about personal ambition, their careers are short with no guarantees so 99% of the time players take those opportunities to move to already big clubs over sticking it out at smaller clubs who have long term ambitions. What the owners want to do takes decades without silly money... even with a billion quid it can take 5 or 6 years. We're not Man City or Chelsea and never will be without an oil tycoon. Get over it.... the best we can hope for is top of the second pack and currently our spend matches that. You bet wrong, then ask me a rhetorical question asking me how did that work out ? they appointed sven and the other clown Sousa before him so not really " nearly always right ". I don't expect us to be like Man City or Chelsea but I do expect us to at least get recruitment right and replace the billy big B*llocks who are now so desperate to leave us they feel the need to hand in transfer requests so they can leave on the cheap.
Bunyip Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 1 minute ago, PaulW said: 'Fact'?.......thought you were 'just stating my honest opinion'. The facts are that the owner's are amongst the world's most successful, (& richest) businessmen, & that football these days is first & foremost a business. Think I'd trust their judgement. They did not make their billions through football that's, not an opinion it's a fact.
Fox92 Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 2 hours ago, goose2010 said: Sick of people saying that our recuitment was poor last season, if West Brom or Burnley won the league this season would you see the top players automatically wanting to sign for them? no you wouldnt we punched massively above our weight last season and it proved to be impossible to reprocude. I think some of you need a reality check, basically thinking the likes of Pogba should have signed for us because we were in the champs league and united werent?! Get your head out of Football Manager and get in the real world! We needed a new solid centre back at the very least and didn't get one. We needed a replacement for Kante, it seemed Ranieri always wanted Mendy without proper looking. Musa must not have been scouted properly, the lad struggles to control a football yet we paid £16mill. I think Slimani was a good buy but at £30mill I'm expecting someone as a key striker yet he never got a chance really. We gave players new contracts on the back of a good season. In football you've got to say thanks and bye. United didn't stand still and keep Bruce for years - I'm not talking about pulling power here but just basic stuff - we didn't go in for Keane/didn't want to pay his price yet a summer later moves for £25mill. It just seems we missed out. Since winning the league we've gone backwards, including losing a key player while two want to leave.
Babylon Posted 30 August 2017 Posted 30 August 2017 6 minutes ago, Bunyip said: You bet wrong, then ask me a rhetorical question asking me how did that work out ? they appointed sven and the other clown Sousa before him so not really " nearly always right ". I don't expect us to be like Man City or Chelsea but I do expect us to at least get recruitment right and replace the billy big B*llocks who are now so desperate to leave us they feel the need to hand in transfer requests so they can leave on the cheap. Mandaric was still Chairman for both appointments for starters, it's called learning from your mistakes. They clearly learnt their lessons early. Considering those players haven't gone yet how exactly to you think we're going to replace them. How about you moan on that once they've gone... and oh, by the way we aren't going to be able to replace a player of the year winner like for like. So don't even expect that one.
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