Would you date a Transsexual?

[Benguin]

27 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

No, you said this:

 

“I've definitely heard you discussing gay rights before and it seems you don't care for their opinion as they only want the cock.”

 

You are wrong. 

Not sure you have read the entire posts or understood or ... What? 

 

I know he is not homophobic, that's the point, he's contradicting himself saying that he doesn't care for people who do not wish to court people based on their genitals. That's basically what a homophobe does.

[Buce]

7 minutes ago, Benguin said:

Not sure you have read the entire posts or understood or ... What? 

 

I know he is not homophobic, that's the point, he's contradicting himself saying that he doesn't care for people who do not wish to court people based on their genitals. That's basically what a homophobe does.

 

2 hours ago, ozleicester said:

If you only judge a person by the their genitalia I don't really care about your opnion

 

Spot the difference. 

[ozleicester]

1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

 

Spot the difference. 

? Serves me right for joining a topic which is only designed for trolling and ignorance.

[Innovindil]

Nah. 

[Benguin]

6 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

 

Spot the difference. 

Do you not understand what implying something is?

 

In a thread about whether or not you would date a tranny, he was implying that he doesn't care for someone's opinion if they judge, when courting, based on genitalia. If he wasn't implying that then what was the point of the comment in this thread.

[Buce]

1 minute ago, Benguin said:

Do you not understand what implying something is?

 

In a thread about whether or not you would date a tranny, he was implying that he doesn't care for someone's opinion if they judge, when courting, based on genitalia. If he wasn't implying that then what was the point of the comment in this thread.

 

You are being obtuse. 

 

I don’t know if it’s deliberate or congenital but either way I’m done discussing it with you. 

[Benguin]

5 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

You are being obtuse. 

 

I don’t know if it’s deliberate or congenital but either way I’m done discussing it with you. 

Have you considered perhaps that you are bloody minded rather than me being obtuse? 

[Nick]

8 hours ago, MattP said:

I'm interested as these days most folk seem to accept what people would define themselves as.

 

I think this question would answer whether they genuinely believe it.

No it doesn’t answer that question  - it simply serves to highlight your lack of understanding. 

 

Its surely about an individuals right to choose how they feel their identity/gender is best presented not whether or not sections of a community find others sexually attractive or compatible. 

[Benguin]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

No it doesn’t answer that question  - it simply serves to highlight your lack of understanding. 

 

Its surely about an individuals right to choose how they feel their identity/gender is best presented not whether or not sections of a community find others sexually attractive or compatible. 

Surely if you wouldn't sleep with a Granny just because they are a tranny and no other reason then you are actually not at ease with it all and don't see them as the sex they have changed too hence making op's purpose for the thread legit.

[Nick]

1 minute ago, Benguin said:

Surely if you wouldn't sleep with a Granny just because they are a tranny and no other reason then you are actually not at ease with it all and don't see them as the sex they have changed too hence making op's purpose for the thread legit.

Commencing your statement with the word ‘Surely’ does not make your banter any less ignorant old son.

[Benguin]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Commencing your statement with the word ‘Surely’ does not make your banter any less ignorant old son.

Where is the ignorance? Assuming you spotted the mistake "Granny" should have been "tranny"

[Guest MattP]

28 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

? Serves me right for joining a topic which is only designed for trolling and ignorance.

It's a small social experiement actually, certainly not designed for trolling or what you percieve to be as ignorance. Not every opinion you disagree with is trolling, if people took that attitude you would be considered one of the biggest trolls on the board.

 

It was also a good idea to get the debate out of the other two threads I mentioned.

 

7 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

No it doesn’t answer that question  - it simply serves to highlight your lack of understanding. 

 

Its surely about an individuals right to choose how they feel their identity/gender is best presented not whether or not sections of a community find others sexually attractive or compatible. 

Nope, you've misunderstood the intention of the question (as I knew some would as they look at it through their own eyes) sadly as shown by the second line here, I'm not trying to get to the bottom of how an individuals right to choose how they feel their identity/gender is best presented, I'm looking for the response to how others look at them for doing so.

 

If a hetrosexual male genuinely believes a ex-man who has transitioned to a women is one, they would have no problem in dating "her", the results are pretty much what I expected them to be and it shows the vast majority don't believe this to be the case, we can use a lot of fancy words, claims about how it's not really about genitals, claim posters confusing gender and sex, throw in the usual cries of "transphobic" "showing your ignorance" etc to try and shut it down as is par for the course these days - but the reality of what people believe is in the result and no matter how desperate you are you can't change that.

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

It's a small social experiement actually, certainly not designed for trolling or what you percieve to be as ignorance. Not every opinion you disagree with is trolling, if people took that attitude you would be considered one of the biggest trolls on the board.

 

It was also a good idea to get the debate out of the other two threads I mentioned.

 

Nope, you've misunderstood the intention of the question (as I knew some would as they look at it through their own eyes) sadly as shown by the second line here, I'm not trying to get to the bottom of how an individuals right to choose how they feel their identity/gender is best presented, I'm looking for the response to how others look at them for doing so.

 

If a hetrosexual male genuinely believes a ex-man who has transitioned to a women is one, they would have no problem in dating "her", the results are pretty much what I expected them to be and it shows the vast majority don't believe this to be the case, we can use a lot of fancy words, claims about how it's not really about genitals, claim posters confusing gender and sex, throw in the usual cries of "transphobic" "showing your ignorance" etc to try and shut it down as is par for the course these days - but the reality of what people believe is in the result and no matter how desperate you are you can't change that.

Wow,  you make so many self righteous and presumptuous leaps in this to suit your agenda it’s actually quite funny Matt. 

 

I’m presuming you have a penis Matthew but what if one day you realised that having it or not was not what defined you as a man?

[Benguin]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Wow,  you make so many self righteous and presumptuous leaps in this to suit your agenda it’s actually quite funny Matt. 

 

I’m presuming you have a penis Matthew but what if one day you realised that having it or not was not what defined you as a man?

If having a willy is not what defines you as a man why are we moving towards a culture that will willingly allow and pay for you to change your genitalia so that you can define yourself by that genitalia. Why don't we just tell all trans people, seeking gender reassignment on the NHS, that getting their new willy or fanny "won't define them as what they seek to be." 

[Guest MattP]

6 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Wow,  you make so many self righteous and presumptuous leaps in this to suit your agenda it’s actually quite funny Matt. 

 

I’m presuming you have a penis Matthew but what if one day you realised that having it or not was not what defined you as a man?

What's even more funny is how you come into threads like this, start calling everyone ignorant, things like "old son", saying they don't understand and then somehow seeing nothing wrong with calling others self-righteous, tremendous effort. Yes I have a penis, it is one of the things that defines me as a man and always will be.

 

Do you mind answering the qustion, would you date a women who used to be a man?

[Guest the fox]

4 hours ago, leicsmac said:

If the victim is an innocent (like the baby you suggested), absolutely not. Harsher sentencing, absolutely.

 

I'm referring to incidents where the murdered party did something wrong in the eyes of the killer and difference in timeframe resulting from that - for instance, like if that woman kills her husband, does it really matter if she cracks him over the head with an ashtray as soon as she finds him, or a couple of weeks afterwards when she's had time to think about it? Does that really merit radically different sentencing?

 

Sorry for veering this offtopic btw.

leisc, come on man, it makes the world of difference. premeditated murder means that you had time to think about it and made your choice, while the other can be in a moment of blind rage.

 

and as far as sentences go, it's 20-25 to life for the crime committed in the heat of the moment and the death sentence for the premeditated murder (imo), 

[Benguin]

2 minutes ago, the fox said:

leisc, come on man, it makes the world of difference. premeditated murder means that you had time to think about it and made your choice, while the other can be in a moment of blind rage.

 

and as far as sentences go, it's 20-25 to life for the crime committed in the heat of the moment and the death sentence for the premeditated murder (imo), 

I believe murder sentences should be as low as 5 years in some cases and indefinite sentences in others. The scale is huge regardless of the end result being the same. 

 

@leicsmac just to further explain this, consider the purpose of prison. People go to prison to keep the public safe and to rehabilitate them, so if you fail to distinguish between different types of murder's, consider instead the difference in time in which someone is no longer a threat. Clearly a wife provoked by sexual infidelity in a fit of rage is going to be safe to the public and rehabilitated far sooner than someone who spends two weeks mulling it over and still goes through with it.

[Steven]

5 hours ago, Benguin said:

That's a ridiculous world view! You think a woman who slams an ashtray onto her husband's head when she finds out he's been sleeping with her sister, should be equally sentenced to someone who ripped a baby limb from limb and ate it?

"The Law is reason free from passion.". 

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Steven said:

"The Law is reason free from passion.". 

Pretty sure I've seen numerous cases where judges have given shorter and more lenient sentences to people who have committed so called "crimes of passion".

[Steven]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

Pretty sure I've seen numerous cases where judges have given shorter and more lenient sentences to people who have committed so called "crimes of passion".

I am sure I have also seen judges give needlessly long sentences when they feel some sense of "moral outrage". 

[Benguin]

5 minutes ago, Steven said:

"The Law is reason free from passion.". 

Aristotle's philosophy of law requires a suitable context to be healthy and right. Unfortunately it is far too simplistic here.

[Buce]

3 minutes ago, MattP said:

Pretty sure I've seen numerous cases where judges have given shorter and more lenient sentences to people who have committed so called "crimes of passion".

 

There is no such thing in British law as a 'crime of passion', though I would argue that there should be.

[Voll Blau]

Imagine thinking showing a sexual interest in someone was the only way for you to show approval of their right to exist as they please.

[David Guiza]

15 minutes ago, MattP said:

Pretty sure I've seen numerous cases where judges have given shorter and more lenient sentences to people who have committed so called "crimes of passion".

6 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

There is no such thing in British law as a 'crime of passion', though I would argue that there should be.

It's been years since I studied criminal law but from memory mitigating and aggravating circumstances are taken into account and have been for decades, illustrated in the partial defence of provocation which can reduce a murder sentence to manslaughter based on the 'provoking' circumstances upon the defendant. 

 

 

[James.]

Why isn't the question "Would you treat a transsexual as an equal"?

 

Think you f**ked this one Matt, the question is ridiculously skewed to favour the conclusions you want to draw.