Would you Date a Muslim?

[Alf Bentley]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Well I respectfully disagree Alf.

 

I'm all for open discussion if the safe and respectful question/thread title is posed.

 

If the thread was titled appropriately and related to people offering their opinion and experience around relationships from differing heritages and cultures then great - but the title of this thread doesn't do that.

 

It in fact says something else entirely - it puts the forum in a negative light as it immediately suggests that this forum isn't for or occupied by Muslims its for others to suggest how they feel about Muslims in a context related only to intimacy. It's embarrassing and its pretty awful as is the transgender thread and its poll.

 

Good things may come from a wider discussion about relationships from mixed backgrounds and peoples degrees of comfortability with entertaining them - but the starter for ten shouldn't be divisive.

 

Respectfully agree to disagree.

 

I'd probably agree with you if this were a formal debating society or democratic institution, but it's a football forum so I think we should expect and tolerate a bit more rough and tumble.

Granted, the thread titles are provocative, but not offensively so, it seems to me....though I'd change my mind if several Muslims and/or transsexuals said that they did find it seriously offensive.

 

I can also imagine that a very respectful thread might only attract interest from right-on people. The more provocative titles probably attract more people who aren't right-on, and maybe a few of them might start to question their prejudices...

Again, that may be a naive hope on my part..... Must get on with other stuff now.

[Guest MattP]

37 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

I'm all for open discussion if the safe and respectful question/thread title is posed.

 

If the thread was titled appropriately and related to people offering their opinion and experience around relationships from differing heritages and cultures then great - but the title of this thread doesn't do that.

Come on buddy, we all know this isn't true, over the years you have gone into numerous threads and demanded posts are deleted and people are banned whatever the title is because of the opinions that have been shared you disagree with.

 

As I said earlier, I actually like the fact you don't hide it, there are many (including these days some even in parliament and high-ranking public positions right up to the current PM) people who claim to respect these rights that we have fought hundreds of years to achieve and then try their best to pass into legislation all sorts of things that seek to depose it.

 

People were offended when they were told the earth was flat, people were offended when they were told about evolution, they are still offended when you claim there is no god, fortunately the people who were trying to censor this were all defeated, take this away and to quote Orwell nothing will exist except an endless present in which the Party is always right. All you will be left with is silence.

Edited 26 January 2018 by MattP

[Guest MattP]

26 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

Respectfully agree to disagree.

 

I'd probably agree with you if this were a formal debating society or democratic institution, but it's a football forum so I think we should expect and tolerate a bit more rough and tumble.

Granted, the thread titles are provocative, but not offensively so, it seems to me....though I'd change my mind if several Muslims and/or transsexuals said that they did find it seriously offensive.

 

I can also imagine that a very respectful thread might only attract interest from right-on people. The more provocative titles probably attract more people who aren't right-on, and maybe a few of them might start to question their prejudices...

Again, that may be a naive hope on my part..... Must get on with other stuff now.

I actually love the fact out best debating society at the Oxford Union has so far resisted all this. The head of the Student Union was on The Big Questions last week and even stated openly that she would "no platform" Nigel Farage if he wanted to speak at a political event - that's how insane some of this is.

 

I watched a debate the other week at the OU (they are all on youtube and are fantastic viewing) where they invited the EDL leader, it was extremely interesting, far more interesting that just watching people with placards singing "racist so and so" over and over again as the debating chamber falls silent.

[Finnegan]

I'm not personally bothered whether anything here gets deleted, I thought all the constant spin off threads were either pretentious as **** or just really unfunny but other than that not overly offensive. 

 

That said, people get carried away with their "right" to free speech on here sometimes. 

 

This is, ultimately, a privately owned space and Mark (and his staff) have every right to feel content is just not appropriate for an inclusive, open, board with advertising commitments and open access to the entire fan base of a football club that thrives to be a family institution. 

 

Whilst it's great that we can have quite involved and adult conversation on foxestalk, sometimes you just have to accept a decision to shut it down is probably in the broader interests of the website even if you personally find it disappointing. 

 

You'd probably be kidding yourself if you believed a "majority" of the members here wanted to read a back and forth debate on ethics and cultural dating. 

[Blue Collar]

I lived in the UK for 4 years and realised the level of hatred between people is similar to that in Algeria pre-civil war and we had only the islamist zealots to tame. Now in the UK you have 2 types of extremists and if you empower them by letting them express themselves freely, you will get a dictatorship or a civil war, it's a rule. They don't need to convince millions, only few thousands will do and usually not the bright ones, the same thing happened in Algeria for too long until the State dealt with the matter very very hard. So yes the UK made mistakes by taking a lax attitude towards hate speech but it's never too late to mute the f....rs from all sides.

[Nick]

39 minutes ago, MattP said:

Come on buddy, we all know this isn't true, over the years you have gone into numerous threads and demanded posts are deleted and people are banned whatever the title is because of the opinions that have been shared you disagree with.

 

As I said earlier, I actually like the fact you don't hide it, there are many (including these days some even in parliament and high-ranking public positions right up to the current PM) people who claim to respect these rights that we have fought hundreds of years to achieve and then try their best to pass into legislation all sorts of things that seek to depose it.

 

People were offended when they were told the earth was flat, people were offended when they were told about evolution, they are still offended when you claim there is no god, fortunately the people who were trying to censor this were all defeated, take this away and to quote Orwell nothing will exist except an endless present in which the Party is always right. All you will be left with is silence.

Never asked for anybody to banned and never said that I don’t welcome the dialogue on the subject. I simply want the approach to be fair and inoffensive. The rest of what you have written is childlike inflammatory dogshit.

[Webbo]

We get criticised for deleting threads, we get criticised for not deleting threads, we can't win. I didn't delete Matt's thread because I didn't see any reason to. some people may think there was good reason to delete, they're entitled to their opinion  but I don't appreciate it when people question my motives.

[the fox]

8 hours ago, toddybad said:

This isn't really the sort of thing I normally say but I think this thread and Matt's earlier thread should be closed and deleted. 

 

I haven't read more than the first page but, even if people are only joking, I can imagine it makes great reading for our Muslim fans.

 

Surprised the mods haven't got involved.

hey, a muslim fox here. talking on behalf of myself here, i only found 1 disgusting post that was swiftly deleted by the mods.

 

i agree that this thread only put more fuel into the fire and looks like an overreaction to the trans thread, which makes the situation uglier , throwing a minority under the bus because another minority is/was offended. which could be seen as someone trying to bait out the alt-right bigots.

 

why should i be mad about people not liking our lifestyle? you see, "minorities" will try to agitate other minorities and make them think that anyone who don't support their life choices hates them. the most ideotic, backward thinking there is!

 

"love and peace in the world" isn't real! as long as people don't share the same veiws they won't really agree with each other. but that's a good thing, it makes life that much more fun.

 

in the end of the day, it's just preferences. most of the people who said "no" had a very fair and respectful reasons (mostly the "i don't agree/like that life style). 

 

people have the right to choose what they like, i put my opinion out there about not wanting to be with a trans individual and that's my choice. let's be a bit open and not get offended by everything we don't agree on.

 

i hate this, i really do. it's always the same trash recycled time and time again. not everyone that disagrees with you or your life choices dislikes you. 

Edited 26 January 2018 by the fox

[Innovindil]

16 minutes ago, the fox said:

hey, a muslim fox here. talking on behalf of myself here, i only found 1 disgusting post that was swiftly deleted by the mods.

 

i agree that this thread only put more fuel into the fire and looks like an overreaction to the trans thread, which makes the situation uglier , throwing a minority under the bus because another minority is/was offended. which could be seen as someone trying to bait out the alt-right bigots.

 

why should i be mad about people not liking our lifestyle? you see, "minorities" will try to agitate other minorities and make them think that anyone who don't support their life choices hates them. the most ideotic, backward thinking there is!

 

"love and peice in the world" isn't real! as long as people don't share the same veiws they won't really agree with each other. but that's a good thing, it makes life that much more fun.

 

in the end of the day, it's just preferences. most of the people who said "no" had a very fair and respectful reasons (mostly the "i don't agree/like that life style). 

 

people have the right to choose what they like, i put my opinion out there about being with a trans individual and that's my choice. let's be a bit open and not get offended by everything we don't agree on.

 

i hate this, i really do. it's always the same trash recycled time and time again. not everyone that disagrees with you or your life choices dislikes you. 

What an excellent post and a very refreshing point of view. 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

NO, NO, NO.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

NO, NO, NO.

I'm sure every muslim will be devastated to hear that.

[DatfoxesKid23]

Me and religous people wont work simple as

if they're not religous then I wouldn't mind much

Edited 26 January 2018 by DatfoxesKid23

[Captain...]

13 minutes ago, DatfoxesKid23 said:

Me and religous people wont work simple as

if they're not religous then I wouldn't mind much

They can't be worse than the psycho you mentioned in the other thread. They say opposites attract maybe you'd have a great time with a Muslim girl, why rule it out.

[DatfoxesKid23]

2 minutes ago, Captain... said:

They can't be worse than the psycho you mentioned in the other thread. They say opposites attract maybe you'd have a great time with a Muslim girl, why rule it out.

I know but after dumping that bitch Id rather be safe then sorry

[Captain...]

As for this thread and the mod debate, I do wonder if this thread would have been allowed without the context of the trans thread, which was in reaction to other threads and not out the blue. If it popped up after a terrorist attack for example would it have survived the mods?

 

Oh and I would date a Muslim (as if anyone really cares).

[Captain...]

5 minutes ago, DatfoxesKid23 said:

I know but after dumping that bitch Id rather be safe then sorry

You dumped her?!?!  get yourself over to your thread and let us know what happened, are the local cats safe?

Edited 26 January 2018 by Captain...

[Dr The Singh]

49 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

NO, NO, NO.

We already know this DT, this is what every women has said to you.

[Dr The Singh]

49 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I'm sure every muslim will be devastated to hear that.

Especially the men

[Guest MattP]

4 hours ago, the fox said:

hey, a muslim fox here. talking on behalf of myself here, i only found 1 disgusting post that was swiftly deleted by the mods.

 

i agree that this thread only put more fuel into the fire and looks like an overreaction to the trans thread, which makes the situation uglier , throwing a minority under the bus because another minority is/was offended. which could be seen as someone trying to bait out the alt-right bigots.

 

why should i be mad about people not liking our lifestyle? you see, "minorities" will try to agitate other minorities and make them think that anyone who don't support their life choices hates them. the most ideotic, backward thinking there is!

 

"love and peace in the world" isn't real! as long as people don't share the same veiws they won't really agree with each other. but that's a good thing, it makes life that much more fun.

 

in the end of the day, it's just preferences. most of the people who said "no" had a very fair and respectful reasons (mostly the "i don't agree/like that life style). 

 

people have the right to choose what they like, i put my opinion out there about not wanting to be with a trans individual and that's my choice. let's be a bit open and not get offended by everything we don't agree on.

 

i hate this, i really do. it's always the same trash recycled time and time again. not everyone that disagrees with you or your life choices dislikes you. 

Fantastic post. Top man.

[desertfox2]

Just a question. If this thread was would you date a Jewish person, would it be seen as anti-semetic? If so why the difference?

[Buce]

46 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

Just a question. If this thread was would you date a Jewish person, would it be seen as anti-semetic? If so why the difference?

 

Who knows, mate. 

 

There is no consistency on FT, just arbitrary decisions based on who and what is favoured by the mods. 

Edited 27 January 2018 by Buce

[hejammy]

The question is of intent. What was the intention of the person who created the thread. There is nothing to 'learn' here except to realise people have personal preferences in who they date which is their perogative. (in all societies we have some far right inclined people so nothing new learnt either) If the poster just wanted to fuel the fire for 'Muslim bashing' then absolutely it should be deleted. If he genuinely was curious or perhaps even had a situation that he needed to make a choice and was curious as to what other people thought, then he's just curious and whilst the wording of the topic needed some thought, the post is fine.

 

Unfortunately in this situation you really need to know the person to gain an insight into his intentions.  

 

I do feel however, the title should be changed to "would you date a religious person" 

Edited 27 January 2018 by hejammy

[Innovindil]

9 minutes ago, hejammy said:

The question is of intent. What was the intention of the person who created the thread. There is nothing to 'learn' here except to realise people have personal preferences in who they date which is their perogative. (in all societies we have some far right inclined people so nothing new learnt either) If the poster just wanted to fuel the fire for 'Muslim bashing' then absolutely it should be deleted. If he genuinely was curious or perhaps even had a situation that he needed to make a choice and was curious as to what other people thought, then he's just curious and whilst the wording of the topic needed some thought, the post is fine.

 

Unfortunately in this situation you really need to know the person to gain an insight into his intentions.  

 

I do feel however, the title should be changed to "would you date a religious person" 

This thread was started as a way to try and get the would you date a transexual person thread locked. 

 

Literally just dummy spitting because they took offense over other opinions invading their safe space. 

 

 

[Dr The Singh]

1 hour ago, desertfox2 said:

Just a question. If this thread was would you date a Jewish person, would it be seen as anti-semetic? If so why the difference?

I don't think it would be anti semetic, actually pro semetic as this thread is pro Muslim, majority people have got over religious barriers and take people for who they are, which is good.

[the fox]

15 hours ago, desertfox2 said:

Just a question. If this thread was would you date a Jewish person, would it be seen as anti-semetic? If so why the difference?

 i have no problem marrying a jew/christian women.

Edited 27 January 2018 by the fox