Karljohn Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 On 11/02/2018 at 13:25, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said: Gareth Barry played 53 times for England, not a good comparison. 53 caps? Wow. England really are shit. 1
Legend_in_blue Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 (edited) When we're playing him, we're carrying a Championship level player. Nothing wrong with that as long as he's used in the right kind of games and not alongside too many players of a similar level. We can't afford to carry more than one or two if we want to be pushing top half consistently and none at all if we're pushing for 7th/8th imo. Saturday was completely the wrong game for him to be starting in. Edited 12 February 2018 by Legend_in_blue 1
SheppyFox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 He’s not good enough, he shouldn’t be starting.
dmayne7 Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 Love this thread; perfect display of the hypocrisy of Foxestalk. People in here defending James by praising him for doing the very things that they slagged off King, and even Amartey, for doing/playing like. Top work
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 37 minutes ago, SheppyFox said: He’s not good enough, he shouldn’t be starting. He shouldn't even be on the bench 2
fleckneymike Posted 12 February 2018 Author Posted 12 February 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Babylon said: What does Iborra do? Compare their stats and nothing stands out with either of them. James is used to tick the ball over, keep possession and switch the play. People can say "oh he doesn't tackle like N'didi", but they don't mention he's top on interceptions or pass completion percentages. Iborra had some absolute stinkers where he gave the ball away over and over again. That's what ended up costing him his place IMO, whilst not flashy James can keep the ball well and I've not seen him have a stinker yet to the levels Iborra did, where he was constantly presenting the ball to the oppo, unforced in dangerous positions. When the manager wants to keep possession, and play a passing game I would hazard a guess he went for someone who gives him a 7/10 most games, rather than someone who swings wildly between the odd 9/10 and some 2/10. Can we do better than James, yes I'm sure we can. But the scape goating of him and threads like this I find unfair. Just to add, I saw a few people saying Iborra should start because of his heading ability at set pieces. Iborra wins 46% of his attempted headers, James 60%. Ndidi is actually top on interceptions by a distance of 23. Silva is top on pass completion by 3% Edited 12 February 2018 by fleckneymike
Buzzell Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 (edited) Steady eddy that doesn’t really do anything spectacular in a game of football. I don’t think he should be starting but I don’t sit and watch the lads train. It’s either he’s really good in training or Iborra is piss poor. He is a decent squad player mind. Would really love to see N’Didi and Iborra in the middle of the park with Silva just behind Vardy with Diabate one side and Riyad on the other. Think we should try that out. Edited 12 February 2018 by buzzer_b
kingfox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 1 hour ago, SheppyFox said: He’s not good enough, he shouldn’t be starting. MOTM worthy performance against Chelsea showed he's not good enough did it? All this bashing after losing to the best team in the league, why single him out? Maguire was piss poor but of course he gets a pass because he's meant to be special.
fleckneymike Posted 12 February 2018 Author Posted 12 February 2018 9 minutes ago, kingfox said: MOTM worthy performance against Chelsea showed he's not good enough did it? All this bashing after losing to the best team in the league, why single him out? Maguire was piss poor but of course he gets a pass because he's meant to be special. Why do we always try and stop discussions with a bout of whataboutery? As I made it clear from my opening post, our defeat at Man City was not James' fault. All this thread is about is what qualities does James have that makes him deserving of a starting place in our side? So far we've had he remind Puel of himself and two factually incorrect observations about his passing and intercepting merits.
whoareyaaa Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 thought he looked pretty decent in the first half then the manager completely ripped the midfield to bits lacking fitness but he does have something about him and I;ve not been his best fan in the past
Ike O'Noclassed Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 8 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: thought he looked pretty decent in the first half then the manager completely ripped the midfield to bits lacking fitness but he does have something about him and I;ve not been his best fan in the past Doesn't flap under pressure, go awol when there's balls to be won, make failed attempts to construct offside traps rather than make a tackle, run out of puff after 45 minutes, panic when there's no out ball immediately available ... 1
kingfox Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, fleckneymike said: Why do we always try and stop discussions with a bout of whataboutery? As I made it clear from my opening post, our defeat at Man City was not James' fault. All this thread is about is what qualities does James have that makes him deserving of a starting place in our side? So far we've had he remind Puel of himself and two factually incorrect observations about his passing and intercepting merits. Course it wasn't but people are bashing him off of that performance in a game where the majority of the team was shite. The Chelsea away game and the games against Watford etc... will show you why he sometimes starts. He's made more interceptions than Iborra this season and played less games...that's a fact. Also where has Iborra shown that his passing is any better than James', Iborra's passing at times has been atrocious this season. People bang on about starting Iborra or starting him in a three as if we're in a crisis. We played three in the middle against Man City for a reason, for 45 minutes it worked until he bizarrely decided to change it. I can't see three in the middle being a regular thing because where will that leave Iheanacho and Okazaki? Matty James has shown at times this season that he's still capable of doing a job. When we start him though he shouldn't be playing a full 90, he should be taken off between 60-70 minutes and of course he shouldn't be starting week in week out; however he is still a valuable member of the squad and is perfect for the occasional start and being 3rd/4th choice. Edited 12 February 2018 by kingfox 1
whoareyaaa Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 24 minutes ago, Ike O'Noclassed said: Doesn't flap under pressure, go awol when there's balls to be won, make failed attempts to construct offside traps rather than make a tackle, run out of puff after 45 minutes, panic when there's no out ball immediately available ... Josh low left ages ago
FLAN Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 47 minutes ago, fleckneymike said: Why do we always try and stop discussions with a bout of whataboutery? As I made it clear from my opening post, our defeat at Man City was not James' fault. All this thread is about is what qualities does James have that makes him deserving of a starting place in our side? So far we've had he remind Puel of himself and two factually incorrect observations about his passing and intercepting merits. So my mirror image point wins by default!
Stadt Posted 12 February 2018 Posted 12 February 2018 He's not mobile enough to play in a holding pair but his passing is generally very clean and effective, breaks the lines without being overly eye catching. The defensive aspects of Drinkwater's game were under-appreciated and besides N'Didi we don't have another midfielder that was (usually) as good as him at breaking up play and winning the ball back.
SheppyFox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 7 hours ago, kingfox said: MOTM worthy performance against Chelsea showed he's not good enough did it? All this bashing after losing to the best team in the league, why single him out? Maguire was piss poor but of course he gets a pass because he's meant to be special. It isn’t about one game, he’s had a lot more poor performances.
Babylon Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, fleckneymike said: Ndidi is actually top on interceptions by a distance of 23. Silva is top on pass completion by 3% The stats are per 90 minutes, it's hardly fair to compare the totals of someone who has played 2400 minutes with someone who has played 817. You know that damn well and are just being obtuse. Just as Silva having played 126 minutes is hardly a basis for looking at any stats currently, it's nowhere near a big enough sample. That's a game and a half FFS. James averages more interceptions than anyone else in CM per game FACT. Of anyone with a reasonable amount of data to actually judge on, he has the best pass completion rate, FACT. He wins a larger percentage of headers than Iborra, FACT (just to ruin the Iborra should play for his heading stuff). Despite all these stats, you were also told what his job was in the team and given an outline of why he possibly starts over some of the others. Ignored. Question about what Iborra does, ignored. Siva should, given time to get used to the league grow into being the No.2, considering his pedigree and the flashes we've seen so far. But he's not there just yet. Edited 13 February 2018 by Babylon 1
Babylon Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 3 hours ago, SheppyFox said: It isn’t about one game, he’s had a lot more poor performances. Has he though? I look through the list of games he's played and pretty much did well or did bugger all wrong in all the games you'd expect, and perhaps sturggled a bit (like all the other players) in the games against bigger teams. It seems a pretty even divide at the moment as you'd expect from most players.
kingfox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 4 hours ago, SheppyFox said: It isn’t about one game, he’s had a lot more poor performances. As Babs said has he though? I can only think of the Everton and Man City games where I'd class him as poor, and as I've said already in those two games the majority of the team were shite. Brighton, Huddersfield, Watford he put in a good shift and he produced a MOTM worthy performance at Chelsea. Arsenal and Man Utd away games he wasn't bad either. 3-2 up against Arsenal till he went off and Man Utd couldn't break us down till about 70 mins. 1
Father Ted Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 This is why I stopped posting on foxestalk. A largely clueless majority of ******. James is class.
4everfox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 On 10/02/2018 at 23:54, Collibosher70 said: He's garbage...silva and iborra for me Yeah let's leave out the player with the best tackling stats in Europe, great call.
Babylon Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 1 hour ago, Max Wall said: Thread title is unnecessariy insulting. We've been through this before with his "Is Musa a competition winner" thread. 1
Max Wall Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 Just now, Babylon said: We've been through this before with his "Is Musa a competition winner" thread. Agreed. Maybe I'm just old now. I have pretty stark opinions still but can't see the need for the 'he's useless' thread titles.
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