Wymsey Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 (edited) Just read up about this, and it is actually an event apparently taking place next month.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/11/world/europe/uk-muslims-letters.html It does annoy me in that just because only a handful of people devoted to this, or any other religion, is a terrorist etc - individuals, including those who've organised this event, believe that everyone holding a certain belief/religion is bad etc. I personally know a good number of Muslims who are in no way troublemakers etc via their faith, and agree with them that it's just a certain few of many that follow their religion that try to make their faith sour towards others. This type of thing will only aggravate negative attitudes between the different beliefs more, and hope it's just a handful of disrespectful individuals and not a big group from somewhere behind this. Edited 29 March 2018 by Wymeswold fox
Innovindil Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 It's a ****ing disgrace and if I see any dickhead joining in with this at work (probably the only time I'll see muslims during that day) then I'll probably smack them with a hammer. No one likes Muslim extremists. Why try and make more of them.
davieG Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 The dilemma is that it really should be ignored by the media because it was probably just a couple ignorants that started it and giving it the media coverage will have dragged out all the other ignorants who were probably ignorant of it. On the other had exposing it for what it is may just educate some of them. I'd go with the first option as there's other ways to educate people.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 My flatmate was telling me about this last night whilst he was watching a video of Tommy Robinson and Lord Pearson discussing a possible uprising against Muslims by the white working classes. I hastily retreated to my room knowing full well his impeccable ability to not listen to anything that disagrees with him meant that any efforts would be wasted.
Buce Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 My daughter told me about this yesterday, and it’s worse than just having a particular day. Apparently it is being treated as an online ‘game’, in the same way the ‘ice bucket challenge’ was, with virtual points being awarded relative to how original the ‘punishment’ was. Absolutely sickening.
urban.spaceman Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 (edited) I'm an atheist - well, an evangelical anti-theist, and I find Islam just as objectionable as the other religions, though I spend more time speaking against it than the others because of the abhorrent behaviour of its worst followers based on the more appalling sections of scripture, of which there is clearly a worrying number. But this is ****ing disgusting. Why can't people be opposed to something without resorting to violence against innocent people? Why the need for violence at all? Utter madness. What I will say is that this is the fault of the authorities and the media to address the main problem. The far-right are of course a problem, and anti-Muslim attacks are dispicible. But they're a reaction to the main problem of widespread Islamist activities as well as the grooming gang scandals being ignored and therefore enabled by authorities. They're a reaction to the instant slandering of anyone and everyone who criticises Islamic scripture as an "Islamophobe", as if that's some sort of racism. The public debate on this is just so bad. Not every Muslim is a child grooming terrorist. Not every critic of Islam is a kuckle dragging UKIP, BNP or EDL thug. The Right is wrong on Muslims and the Left is wrong on Islam. I'm fed up of the two of them feeding hatred and ignorance on other sides. There is absolutely no excuse for violence whatsoever. Edited 29 March 2018 by urban.spaceman 2
breadandcheese Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 This thing's ****ing disgusting. I hope they track down those behind the letters and punish them to the full extent of the law. I don't know how any sensible and decent person can even flirt with the idea that this is anything other than disgusting.
Buce Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 17 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: I'm an atheist - well, an evangelical anti-theist, and I find Islam just as objectionable as the other religions, though I spend more time speaking against it than the others because of the abhorrent behaviour of its worst followers based on the more appalling sections of scripture, of which there is clearly a worrying number. But this is ****ing disgusting. Why can't people be opposed to something without resorting to violence against innocent people? Why the need for violence at all? Utter madness. What I will say is that this is the fault of the authorities and the media to address the main problem. The far-right are of course a problem, and anti-Muslim attacks are dispicible. But they're a reaction to the main problem of widespread Islamist activities as well as the grooming gang scandals being ignored and therefore enabled by authorities. They're a reaction to the instant slandering of anyone and everyone who criticises Islamic scripture as an "Islamophobe", as if that's some sort of racism. The public debate on this is just so bad. Not every Muslim is a child grooming terrorist. Not every critic of Islam is a kuckle dragging UKIP, BNP or EDL thug. The Right is wrong on Muslims and the Left is wrong on Islam. I'm fed up of the two of them feeding hatred and ignorance on other sides. There is absolutely no excuse for violence whatsoever. 5 Can you give some examples?
Guest Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 I hope that the government searches for the creators of this sickness and punishes them.
Webbo Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 It'll be some pathetic saddo living with his mother. 1
Strokes Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 There are some disgusting bastards about, absolutely vile. It’s just terrorism by a different name.
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Hope they catch them and name and shame them.
Dr The Singh Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 39 minutes ago, Buce said: Can you give some examples? do we really have to do this??? Can't we just agree to disagree???? 1
Guest the fox Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 "25 points for pulling off a woman’s head scarf, 500 points for murdering a Muslim and 1,000 for bombing a mosque." Ain't that some shit. so, being mad about a terrorist group is attacking innocent people so the best thing you could manage is doing the same thing. what a load of bulljive. I always say, knock on enough doors and a person that you shouldn't mess with will answer. hopefully, the people who attempt such things won't scream "terrorist" when a guy that has a low tolerance for bullshit gets his hands on him
Buce Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 36 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: do we really have to do this??? Can't we just agree to disagree???? Why not? I'm genuinely interested to know what he means - I don't think people should get away with making assertions like that without providing some evidence. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if he had made such assertions about Sikhism.
Sir Shep Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Punish those responsible for this nonsense I say, but also don’t link us white working class with this either.
Carl the Llama Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 14 minutes ago, the fox said: "25 points for pulling off a woman’s head scarf, 500 points for murdering a Muslim and 1,000 for bombing a mosque." Ain't that some shit. so, being mad about a terrorist group is attacking innocent people so the best thing you could manage is doing the same thing. what a load of bulljive. I always say, knock on enough doors and a person that you shouldn't mess with will answer. hopefully, the people who attempt such things won't scream "terrorist" when a guy that has a low tolerance for bullshit gets his hands on him One of the objectives is to skin or rack a Muslim for 250 points. That doesn't seem fair given how much more difficult that would be than straight up murder for 500. This game has been poorly thought out.
FreoBondy Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Personally I think you should be punishing the people spreading this shit, ie the OP. Punishment = attending a Derby game.
Dr The Singh Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 16 minutes ago, Buce said: Why not? I'm genuinely interested to know what he means - I don't think people should get away with making assertions like that without providing some evidence. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if he had made such assertions about Sikhism. I get that, but unlike discussions on Sikhism, Islam has been battered around so many times and for so long. Doing it again. all it does is cause more harm then good and ultimately will only smear Islam and cause more pain to Muslims. Is it worth it
urban.spaceman Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. 1 hour ago, Buce said: Can you give some examples? 6 minutes ago, Buce said: Why not? I'm genuinely interested to know what he means - I don't think people should get away with making assertions like that without providing some evidence. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if he had made such assertions about Sikhism. https://quran.com/ is a good place to start. 4:101: And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. 2:191-193: And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. Plenty more.
urban.spaceman Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said: I get that, but unlike discussions on Sikhism, Islam has been battered around so many times and for so long. Doing it again. all it does is cause more harm then good and ultimately will only smear Islam and cause more pain to Muslims. Is it worth it 1 I don't see how quoting the Qu'ran is smearing Islam?
Buce Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said: And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. https://quran.com/ is a good place to start. 4:101: And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. 2:191-193: And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. Plenty more. I'm pretty sure you can find similar shit in the Old Testament.
Dr The Singh Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: I don't see how quoting the Qu'ran is smearing Islam? Interpretation of a 7th century book full of metaphors, without contextual history or background to what's written, then adding the context, history, background and metaphors................are far too many variables and hence can have many conutations = differing opinions = upset people 1
Dr The Singh Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 2 minutes ago, Buce said: I'm pretty sure you can find similar shit in the Old Testament. You calling the quran shit?
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