Guest MattP Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 I'd put my house on not one of these indicative votes producing a majority.
Guest MattP Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 1 minute ago, Kopfkino said: Give it Rory Stewart Very good shout - been extremely impressed with him for some time. He'll get abuse for speaking posh of course but we could do a lot worse.
StanSP Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 2 minutes ago, Buce said: All about the DUP now. I wonder what price they put on their integrity this time?
Nick Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 8 minutes ago, MattP said: I'd put my house on not one of these indicative votes producing a majority. I wouldn’t quite yet! There’s one or two that might get over 250 though!
Bobby Hundreds Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 Were the DUP paid that billion quid upfront?
Guest MattP Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 3 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said: Were the DUP paid that billion quid upfront? You can't buy off the DUP on this. They've always said they find a border in Irish sea as completely unacceptable. If they don't protect their own country in the Union no one else will.
Strokes Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 1 hour ago, StanSP said: The candidates for the next leader are absolutely appalling . Raab, Javid, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Johnson. Literally not one appealling candidate at all. I’d be more than happy with Javid or Gove.
AoWW Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 7 hours ago, Alf Bentley said: Is that you, @AoWW? Grandmother?!!! Er, nope, not me. He'd "lost her phone number"... hmmm, silly bint.
EnderbyFox Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 8 minutes ago, MattP said: The deal dies again.... So surely even if the deal scrapes through the DUP would vote with Labour in a motion of no confidence and trigger a GE to stop her?
Leicester_Loyal Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 Fair play to the DUP, but I still think they'll be some change to shift them.
Alf Bentley Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 1 hour ago, Kopfkino said: Give it Rory Stewart Head and shoulders above all the front runners. Seems to have competence and integrity, 2 qualities all the others lack. Would settle for him right now. Would prefer no Tory Govt at all, obviously. 10 minutes ago, MattP said: The deal dies again.... I wonder if "not be supporting" translates as opposing or abstaining? That matters. If the DUP oppose May, then she probably needs at least 15-20 Labour defectors (in addition to the 3 last time). She lost by 149 last time, so needs 75 net switchers. There were 75 Tories who opposed her last time, but about 8 of them are Remainers, who presumably won't switch? Even if she gets 55-60 out of 75 Tory rebels (i.e. almost all ERG), then she needs 15-20 extra Labour votes......that's the maths, isn't it?
Guest MattP Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 10 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said: So surely even if the deal scrapes through the DUP would vote with Labour in a motion of no confidence and trigger a GE to stop her? Whilst Corbyn and McDonnell lead the Labour party surely the DUP would nothing that could help bring them to office? A backstop is crap but it's not as bad as having people in charge who don't even want your country to exist.
Legend_in_blue Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 DUP have hit another nail in her coffin. She's done. She was the moment she lost her majority at the last election. She doesn't have the numbers, never did.
Buce Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 12 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Head and shoulders above all the front runners. Seems to have competence and integrity, 2 qualities all the others lack. Would settle for him right now. Would prefer no Tory Govt at all, obviously. I wonder if "not be supporting" translates as opposing or abstaining? That matters. If the DUP oppose May, then she probably needs at least 15-20 Labour defectors (in addition to the 3 last time). She lost by 149 last time, so needs 75 net switchers. There were 75 Tories who opposed her last time, but about 8 of them are Remainers, who presumably won't switch? Even if she gets 55-60 out of 75 Tory rebels (i.e. almost all ERG), then she needs 15-20 extra Labour votes......that's the maths, isn't it? Rees-Smug said he will only support May's deal if the DUP are on board, so probably true of others. 19:55 'No way' enough ERG Tories will switch for May's deal to pass, says ERG source An ERG source has sent out some lines from the speech that Steve Baker, the ERG deputy chairman, gave at the ERG meeting this evening. It turns out he really did talk about bulldozing parliament. (See 7.43pm.) Baker said: I’m consumed with a ferocious rage after that pantomime [May in the ‘22] ... What is our liberty for if not to govern ourselves? Like all of you I have wrestled with my conscience about what to do. I could tear this place down and bulldoze it into the river. These fools and knaves and cowards are voting on things they don’t even understand. We’ve been put in this place by people whose addiction to power without responsibility has led them to put the choice of no Brexit or this deal. I may yet resign the whip rather than be part of this. The source said that Baker received an enormous standing ovation at the end of the speech and that he was hugged by Jacob Rees-Mogg and others afterwards. “We are not a hugging group,” the source said. He also said he thought there was “no way” that enough ERG members were going to switch for Theresa May’s deal to pass. Nigel Dodds (@NigelDoddsDUP) The DUP do not abstain on the Union. https://t.co/l4oSPj75V2 March 27, 2019
Alf Bentley Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 6 minutes ago, Buce said: Rees-Smug said he will only support May's deal if the DUP are on board, so probably true of others. Heard him say earlier that he'd support the deal so long as DUP at least abstained. No chance of it passing if the DUP oppose, I presume. As well as everything else, JRM seems to be a piss poor tactician, after the botched coup against May and then this fiasco over the (apparently botched) late switch in her favour.
Buce Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said: Heard him say earlier that he'd support the deal so long as DUP at least abstained. No chance of it passing if the DUP oppose, I presume. As well as everything else, JRM seems to be a piss poor tactician, after the botched coup against May and then this fiasco over the (apparently botched) late switch in her favour. He and Johnson both. And only May could throw herself under a bus and miss...
Guest MattP Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 3 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Heard him say earlier that he'd support the deal so long as DUP at least abstained. No chance of it passing if the DUP oppose, I presume. As well as everything else, JRM seems to be a piss poor tactician, after the botched coup against May and then this fiasco over the (apparently botched) late switch in her favour. Mogg is certainly a formidable debater and orator but as you say, his record now in terms of political strategy is absolutely appalling. You certainly wouldn't be hiring him to run any campaigns or leadership bids.
StanSP Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 No majority for any of the alternatives. The closest one being Customs Union - 8 votes in favour of not having it. Next closest being a confirmatory vote.
Guest MattP Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 2 hours ago, MattP said: I'd put my house on not one of these indicative votes producing a majority. Confirmed but Ken Clarke's Customs Union amendment got close.
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