Alf Bentley Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 3 minutes ago, inckley fox said: What are the numbers like on that? How many MPs do the DUP and the ERG account for? And is there a danger that other Tories, sensing the opportunity for a softer alternative, will now turn their backs on May's deal? 10 DUP. About 75 Tory rebels last time, but about 7-10 were Moderates, who'd presumably not switch to support May. So, unless she gets the DUP and almost all the ERG (unlikely), she'd need some extra defectors from Labour - possibly quite a lot. Only a few, if any extra Tories would turn their backs, I suspect. Even so, the numbers don't look good for her so far - a smaller, but still significant defeat, I'd guess....and she only has 2-3 days to turn it round. Would the DUP even prefer May's Deal to an alternative? Although they're pro-Hard Brexit, their main objection to May's Deal was the possibility of N. Ireland being treated differently from the rest of the UK. That wouldn't be the case with a Soft Brexit. Also, there's a lot of opposition to Brexit in N. Ireland, including local buinesses and a significant minority of Unionists (that's how N. Ireland voted 56% Remain at the referendum - vast majority of Catholics/Nationalists + significant minority of Protestants/Unionists).
EnderbyFox Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 That should be that then. 10 DUP wont vote for it and some of the ERG (Bridgen etc) have also said they wouldn't.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 8 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said: That should be that then. 10 DUP wont vote for it and some of the ERG (Bridgen etc) have also said they wouldn't. There are about 20 ERG that are over my dead body so in addition to the DUP that does look it for the deal. She's not getting 35 Labour MP's on board. Time for the indicative votes then to see what parliament will pass.
Nick Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: There was something about the parliamentary "session", but I think parliament would have to specifically declare an end to the existing session and the start of a new session for that to apply. More likely to come down to a decision as to whether May's Deal has changed, I suspect. Anyway, she has to persuade 75 MPs to switch sides (ignoring abstentions) before it's worth her while trying. Ah yes, sessions are the period between governments so it’s quite a barrier he’s put up! The substance needs to change significantly.
Strokes Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 26 minutes ago, MattP said: There are about 20 ERG that are over my dead body so in addition to the DUP that does look it for the deal. She's not getting 35 Labour MP's on board. Time for the indicative votes then to see what parliament will pass. Hopefully she will resign now, I won’t hold my breath.
AKCJ Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: Hopefully she will resign now, I won’t hold my breath. Who is likely to replace her?
davieG Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 I really don’t see how an extension or May’s resignation is going to change anything as there doesn’t appear to be a majority for any option unless the EU change which I can’t see happening.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 27 minutes ago, Strokes said: Hopefully she will resign now, I won’t hold my breath. If she can't get her deal through she hopefully will. 23 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Who is likely to replace her? Bookies think either Boris, Raab, Gove or Javid. Although the winner of the Tory leadership is never usually the favourite.
AKCJ Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 7 minutes ago, MattP said: If she can't get her deal through she hopefully will. Bookies think either Boris, Raab, Gove or Javid. Although the winner of the Tory leadership is never usually the favourite. Jesus imagine a world with Trump in the White House and Boris in 10DS
Foxxed Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 On 25/03/2019 at 16:57, Innovindil said: The irony of this is the majority of anti (current) establishment vitriol in this thread and its predecessors came from the left. Anti-establishment isn't against the governing party. It's more against the current institutions and rules that form those institutions. It's anti parliament and anti politicians. It's what Arran Banks attempted after the leave campaign: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arron_Banks#Westmonster It's the want to bloody the establishment. It's the angry wrecking ball vote. It's what will fuel Farage's Brexit Party.
Buce Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 Jussie Smollett: Prosecutors drop all charges against actor Prosecutors have dropped all charges against US actor Jussie Smollett for allegedly staging a racist and homophobic attack. The Empire star attended a court hearing in Chicago on Tuesday, where a judge sealed the case. Mr Smollett, 36, pleaded not guilty this month to 16 counts of disorderly conduct for allegedly lying to police. The black and openly gay actor thanked his supporters outside court after the hearing. He said: "I have been truthful and consistent on every single level since day one. "I would not be my mother's son if I was capable of one drop of what I've been accused of." Jussie Smollett: A complete timeline 'Pain and anger' over Jussie Smollett He added: "This has been an incredibly difficult time, honestly one of the worst of my entire life." Mr Smollett vowed he would continue to "fight for the betterment of the lives of marginalised people everywhere". The Cook County State's Attorney's office said in a statement: "After reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr Smollett's volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the City of Chicago, we believe this outcome is a just disposition and appropriate resolution to this case." But according to the Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago police Supt Eddie Johnson was not briefed on the decision to drop the charges. He only learned of the surprise move while attending a police academy graduation ceremony, according to the city newspaper. A police department source told the Sun-Times that Supt Johnson was "furious" and that the case against Mr Smollett was "rock solid". Mr Smollett voluntarily agreed to give up his $10,000 (£7,500) bail money, his lawyer said, emphasising there had been no deal with state prosecutors to dismiss the charges. Smollett attorneys Tina Glandian and Patricia Brown Holmes said in a statement that their client's record "has been wiped clean". "He was a victim who was vilified and made to appear as a perpetrator as a result of false and inappropriate remarks made to the public causing an inappropriate rush to judgement," the lawyers said. "Jussie and many others were hurt by these unfair and unwarranted actions. The entire situation is a reminder that there should never be an attempt to prove a case in the court of public opinion." Mr Smollett said he was attacked in the early hours on 29 January in downtown Chicago outside a sandwich shop by two masked men who shouted racist and homophobic slurs, poured bleach on him and put a rope round his neck. He claimed they shouted: "This is Maga country", a reference to President Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan, and that at least one of the assailants was white. But Chicago police said Mr Smollett paid two brothers, both of whom are black, $3,500 to stage the attack because he was "dissatisfied with his salary" on the TV show. His lawyer maintained outside court on Tuesday that the cheque was for nutrition and physical training. Ms Holmes also alleged that brothers Abimbola and Olabinjo Osundairo, who apologised for "their involvement in this situation" earlier this month, were Mr Smollett's attackers. "We already know who attacked him," the lawyer told reporters. "The two brothers have said that they attacked him." She could not offer a reason as to why the case "seemed to spiral somewhat out of control", but blamed Chicago police for not allowing the state to properly look into the incident. "You should allow investigation, and allow the state to investigate a charge before you go to the press," Ms Holmes said. Authorities had also accused Mr Smollett of sending a racist and homophobic letter to himself at a Fox studio beforehand. The US president lashed out last month at the actor on Twitter, saying, "what about MAGA and the tens of millions of people you insulted with your racist and dangerous comments!? #MAGA". Mr Smollett's family said in a statement to US media on Tuesday that the actor had been vindicated. "Jussie is a son, a brother, a partner, a champion for human rights, and a genuine soul who would never be capable of what he was falsely accused of," said their statement. "He was the victim of an assault and then falsely blamed for his own attack. This morning truth has prevailed and he has been vindicated. "All charges have been dismissed and his record expunged (cleared). The painful incidents we've witnessed him endure over the past 7 weeks have been heartbreaking and unjust to say the least. "While many were quick to rush to judgement before hearing the actual truth, we are grateful that the truth about Jussie has come to light. "We look forward to bringing the real perpetrators to justice. We thank God and our village for standing by us during this trying time." Mr Smollett stars as a gay musician on Fox's drama series Empire, which follows the ups and downs of a family-owned hip-hop label. The verified Twitter account of the writers' team on Empire posted a celebratory tweet after Mr Smollett's court appearance.
Buce Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 MPs likely to back soft Brexit or second vote, says minister who quit Steve Brine, who quit to vote against government, says fresh referendum is now on table Two ministers who resigned from the government on Monday night to back moves for parliament to take control of the Brexit process have said MPs are likely now to move towards a softer deal or a referendum. Steve Brine, the former health minister who was among three to resign their posts to rebel against the government, said he believed that both revoking article 50 and a second referendum were now on the table. Brine said he believed the prime minister’s deal was still “best of the options” but said that Conservative colleagues should realise “anything from here, as far as they are concerned, gets softer in terms of Brexit”. MPs backed an amendment tabled by the former Tory minister Oliver Letwin on Monday night to give them control of the parliamentary timetable to allow backbenchers to hold a series of votes on alternatives to her Brexit deal. The prime minister has declined to say whether she will abide by the outcome of a process of “indicative votes”. The former minister’s comments came as the health secretary, Matt Hancock, told Eurosceptics in his party that their only option now was to back Theresa May’s deal. “It demonstrated that the option of no deal simply won’t be allowed by the Commons and that the best way through this impasse is the one deal that has been negotiated with the EU, that can be delivered quickly now,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “The Commons is now absolutely clear it won’t allow [a no deal] and will legislate against if necessary. “The options are narrowing and that demonstrates that if you want to deliver on the result of the referendum … then vote for the prime minister’s deal. Because the idea of voting against it in the hope of getting no deal is clearly now not going to happen.” Brine rejected suggestions that May could not pursue any outcome in parliament that contradicted the Conservative manifesto – which ruled out single market and customs union membership. “You also have to remember that the manifesto of 2017 did not win a majority in the House of Commons,” he told the BBC. “And this is the crux of the whole matter, that the House of Commons and executive-led government works when you have got a majority in the House of Commons.” Brine said all outcomes were on the table. “You have to accept that a second referendum or revoking article 50 are on the table because they will probably be some options,” Brine told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. Hancock said the government could not commit to implementing options that might be impossible. “We cannot say – absolutely, whatever they pass,” he said. “If the Commons voted for the sun to rise in the west, the government would not be able to implement that. This whole debate has been characterised by people coming in with ideas which we now call unicorns in the political debate.” Richard Harrington, who resigned as business minister to oppose the government, said he regretted the situation had come to this. He told Today: “It’s absurd that now we are in a position of political impasse and … parliament hasn’t actually talked about it on the floor of the House of Commons.” Harrington said he did not think it was likely that the Commons would revoke article 50 and stop Brexit altogether, saying that would probably require a referendum. “If that were the case then I think it would be very plausible for the prime minister then to say I don’t want this because this is totally different from the last time the public were consulted in the first referendum,” he said. “Therefore, I feel it would be very legitimate before taking such a dramatic move as revoking article 50 to have another referendum, to see where the public are at.” Labour’s Hilary Benn, the chair of the Brexit select committee who has been among those pushing for indicative votes, said MPs would vote on a range of Brexit options on Wednesday and then attempt to whittle them down. “The first time round it will just be ‘here are the propositions’ and you vote for as many as you would like,” he said. “And then we will see the results from Wednesday night. The motion that we will move tomorrow suggests that we go through a similar process next Monday. “There will obviously be discussions between MPs looking at the results of what has happened on Wednesday night. Which are the most popular options? We may then change the system for next week as we are trying to narrow it down.” In a statement on his website, Alistair Burt, the third minister to resign on Monday night urged the prime minister to make Wednesday a free vote. “Parliament should seek urgently to resolve the situation by considering alternatives freely, without the instruction of party whips, and government should adopt any feasible outcome as its own in order to progress matters,” the former foreign office minister said. “I did not believe the government was prepared to do that, so had to vote to ensure this happens.”
ajthefox Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 Quote This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union. It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain. Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government. The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government. British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum. This Government stands by this commitment. Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them. Department for Exiting the European Union. TL:DR - Shove yer petition up yer arse.
Wymsey Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 Knife incident at ASDA, Thurmaston.. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/live-reports-assault-asda-thurmaston-2688498
Legend_in_blue Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 It was pleasing to hear overnight that Morgan and Costa had gone against the PM yesterday as part of the 30 strong group of Tory's voting for control. Local MPs doing their bit. It's a from me!
Dr The Singh Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 1 hour ago, Legend_in_blue said: It was pleasing to hear overnight that Morgan and Costa had gone against the PM yesterday as part of the 30 strong group of Tory's voting for control. Local MPs doing their bit. It's a from me! Wes is a legend
Alf Bentley Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 32 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Wes is a legend Quite right. Not sure Diego Costa should be meddling in British politics, though.
Buce Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 12 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Not sure Diego Costa should be meddling in British politics, though. He might as well - none of the natives have much of a clue.
Strokes Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 4 minutes ago, Buce said: He might as well - none of the natives have much of a clue. Racist
Strokes Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 12 minutes ago, Buce said: He might as well - none of the natives have much of a clue. Sorry buce, just a shit joke. Obviously not as funny as I thought.
Buce Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: Racist When I was very young, my first experience of black people was in the weekly episode of Tarzan, in which they were referred to as ‘the natives’. For some years, I thought that was the collective noun for people of African heritage.
Buce Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Sorry buce, just a shit joke. Obviously not as funny as I thought. Cross posted. I got it, belatedly.
Strokes Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 24 minutes ago, Buce said: I got it, belatedly. Good, I know I can push my luck sometimes.
EnderbyFox Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 Rees-Mogg He's certainly changed his tune from "The withdrawal agreement will leave us in a worse position than we are now" Hopefully leave voters will now realise he's just as self serving as the rest of them.
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