Buce Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 19 minutes ago, Strokes said: I can’t believe it’s come to this, @Buce is counting on tories to do the right thing. It’s official, the worlds gone mad Reading the runes, bro, that’s all. I wouldn’t count on that shower of shit for anything.
fuchsntf Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 12 hours ago, Collymore said: BBC News - BA flight lands in Edinburgh instead of Düsseldorf by mistake https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47691478 It is hugely unusual for passengers to board a flight and then arrive at the wrong destination - and it presents lots of uncomfortable questions about procedure and standards. The uncomfortable question is why not one passenger realised they were travelling north out of London and didn't go over the sea. Just sums up how dumb the general public are an so unaware of their surroundings. I don't give a crap about cloud cover or nightime, you should be on the ball... Edit - Looks like it was day light and clear sky. Beggars belief. Obvious the pilot and crew were.... remainers!!
Strokes Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 Just now, Buce said: Reading the runes, bro, that’s all. I wouldn’t count on that shower of shit for anything. Phew, I was really beginning to panic then.
fuchsntf Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 12 hours ago, bovril said: I do hope one of the options is to send 10 of our top people (5 men and 5 women) to a cave for 50 years to rear children and restart civilisation. I tried it 5 times...it didn't work!!!! What does a 200+ yr old pensioner do...I tried to drop out of society 5 times ,but since I dropped,I haven't found bottom yet..!! It's the long haul climbing back ,that gets to you...!!
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 10 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: But to avoid No Deal, we have to either agree an acceptable solution (May's Deal or an acceptable alternative) or request a longer extension. Otherwise, we leave with No Deal on 12th April. If we don't agree an acceptable solution before then and don't request a longer extension, there's nothing the EU can do to prevent No Deal on 12th April, even assuming it wants to. Am I right or am I missing something? It's not just about the Euro elections, either. If we agree an acceptable solution that requires us to take part in the Euro elections, I'm sure they'd agree that. But I cannot imagine them accepting the situation just dragging on interminably, dominating EU politics forever with no sign of a solution on the horizon. They have plenty of other problems to focus on, so need to see light at the end of the tunnel to agree an extension, surely? I don't actually disagree with anything you say - I'm just going on the logic that the EU seems absolutely desperate to make sure we don't leave without a deal. I suppose we'll know more tomorrow evening after the "indicative" votes but I wouldn't be surprised to see a longer extension if that didn't produce anything fruitful, I also wouldn't be surprised to see the deal pass either though now after the Letwin amendment, that does feel like a game changer.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: Phew, I was really beginning to panic then. If the backbenchers collapse the government, it will be for another election - not to stop no deal.
Guest the fox Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 In other news, Conor McGregor announced his retirement from MMA. Don't know really, this could be just a negotiation tactic by him.
bovril Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 Just now, the fox said: In other news, Conor McGregor announced his retirement from MMA. Don't know really, this could be just a negotiation tactic by him. Potential replacement for Barnier?
Alf Bentley Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 3 minutes ago, MattP said: I don't actually disagree with anything you say - I'm just going on the logic that the EU seems absolutely desperate to make sure we don't leave without a deal. I suppose we'll know more tomorrow evening after the "indicative" votes but I wouldn't be surprised to see a longer extension if that didn't produce anything fruitful, I also wouldn't be surprised to see the deal pass either though now after the Letwin amendment, that does feel like a game changer. Yes, it's possible that the EU could backtrack and agree a longer extension even if our situation is still unclear - but we'd have to request that, wouldn't we? The EU could informally let May know that it was prepared to be flexible - but she (or some successor) would have to make the request, and that would be massively controversial in the UK - requesting a longer extension, agreeing to pay more money to the EU, agreeing to take part in Euro elections etc. Would May or any other PM make that request, particularly with no plan in place. I'm also not sure that the EU is as desperate to avoid No Deal as you suggest. They'd definitely prefer it, but not at any price - including the price of everlasting disruption of EU politics and EU-UK relations? If we requested a longer extension with no plan, it would only take 1 country to veto that. Many EU nations would not be much affected by a No Deal Brexit (directly, at least) - and might feel that Brexit is distracting from more important projects. Some EU nations would be more badly affected (Ireland, Netherlands, Germany to a lesser extent) but the EU could easily legislate to offer them extra funds to compensate for damage. Benn was talking about the second phase of indicative votes happening on Monday. Don't know if that's confirmed? If so, any third attempt to pass May's Deal would have to happen before that process has ended - so that boat might have sailed for the ERG/DUP?
Innovindil Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 14 minutes ago, the fox said: In other news, Conor McGregor announced his retirement from MMA. Don't know really, this could be just a negotiation tactic by him. It was last time he retired
AKCJ Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 13 hours ago, Collymore said: The uncomfortable question is why not one passenger realised they were travelling north out of London and didn't go over the sea. Just sums up how dumb the general public are an so unaware of their surroundings. I don't give a crap about cloud cover or nightime, you should be on the ball... That's a joke yeah?
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 49 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Benn was talking about the second phase of indicative votes happening on Monday. Don't know if that's confirmed? If so, any third attempt to pass May's Deal would have to happen before that process has ended - so that boat might have sailed for the ERG/DUP? I actually don't know the answer to that - I assumed they would all be done on Wednesday and the government would then proceed from that point?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 3 hours ago, The Guvnor said: Thought you already lived in a cave. It's more of a burrow, less of your lip
Alf Bentley Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 2 minutes ago, MattP said: I actually don't know the answer to that - I assumed they would all be done on Wednesday and the government would then proceed from that point? I checked afterwards. What Benn said seems to be correct: first phase of indicative vote tomorrow, second on Monday. However, May's Deal could be brought back on Thurs/Fri, if Bercow allows it and if she thinks she has the votes.... Better leave it there for now, before we piss everyone off.
The Guvnor Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 4 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: It's more of a burrow, less of your lip ?
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 4 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: I checked afterwards. What Benn said seems to be correct: first phase of indicative vote tomorrow, second on Monday. However, May's Deal could be brought back on Thurs/Fri, if Bercow allows it and if she thinks she has the votes.... Better leave it there for now, before we piss everyone off. The indicative votes will probably help the Prime Minister then if that's the case. If she can prove beyond doubt the house will vote for full SM/CU and show just how little support Canada + and No Deal have her deal might be the only option for those opposing her.
Finnegan Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 @MattP @Alf Bentley I'm a little bit confused with Bercow letting it come back. Does she not have to prove that the deal is significantly different? Or if she can demonstrate that there's been a large swing in MPs that would vote for it is that enough to bring back the same deal and try again?
leicsmac Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-approves-controversial-copyright-reform/a-48062142 Why the EU would want to follow the US with their IP-is-totally-utterly-sacred-and-every-idea-is-owned-and-must-be-monetised rubbish, I'm not entirely sure.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 5 minutes ago, Finnegan said: @MattP @Alf Bentley I'm a little bit confused with Bercow letting it come back. Does she not have to prove that the deal is significantly different? Or if she can demonstrate that there's been a large swing in MPs that would vote for it is that enough to bring back the same deal and try again? She can argue that the new EU deadlines are a significant change, it would be a pretty brave speaker to go against allowing a vote the EU have specifically agreed to extend Article 50 for us to have. I know Bercow is loving the attention and probably using all this to boost his profile for the after dinner circuit but he surely wouldn't dare risk being the man who forced Britain into a no deal Brexit by blocking it.
Alf Bentley Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 6 minutes ago, Finnegan said: @MattP @Alf Bentley I'm a little bit confused with Bercow letting it come back. Does she not have to prove that the deal is significantly different? Or if she can demonstrate that there's been a large swing in MPs that would vote for it is that enough to bring back the same deal and try again? In theory, it has to be different - though she could claim that the extension makes it different? In practice, it's hard to imagine Bercow refusing to allow it to be debated if May is close to having the numbers for it - and she presumably will only bring it back if that's the case. I'm just guessing, though, and Bercow is a massive egotist - even if I agree with his earlier decision - so who knows what he might do to give himself a bit of a swagger?
Innovindil Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 7 minutes ago, leicsmac said: https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-approves-controversial-copyright-reform/a-48062142 Why the EU would want to follow the US with their IP-is-totally-utterly-sacred-and-every-idea-is-owned-and-must-be-monetised rubbish, I'm not entirely sure. I want to know what happens if YouTube/Facebook whatever fail to keep copyrighted material off their platforms. Honestly have never seen anything about it.
leicsmac Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 4 minutes ago, Innovindil said: I want to know what happens if YouTube/Facebook whatever fail to keep copyrighted material off their platforms. Honestly have never seen anything about it. TBH, having thought about it, the only answer is nothing. Or next to nothing, anyway. Regulation of the Internet on any kind of large scale for whatever purpose is a fools errand for the most part - the Chinese with all the Emperors men can't stop people poking holes in their Great Firewall with regularity.
Nick Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 27 minutes ago, Finnegan said: @MattP @Alf Bentley I'm a little bit confused with Bercow letting it come back. Does she not have to prove that the deal is significantly different? Or if she can demonstrate that there's been a large swing in MPs that would vote for it is that enough to bring back the same deal and try again? I actually thought it was about the wording of bringing it back in the same ‘session’ - although the deal may be only different in small margins it might be arguable that due to changes in timelines and developing circumstances that this may be classed as a new or different session in the process?
Alf Bentley Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 8 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: I actually thought it was about the wording of bringing it back in the same ‘session’ - although the deal may be only different in small margins it might be arguable that due to changes in timelines and developing circumstances that this may be classed as a new or different session in the process? There was something about the parliamentary "session", but I think parliament would have to specifically declare an end to the existing session and the start of a new session for that to apply. More likely to come down to a decision as to whether May's Deal has changed, I suspect. Anyway, she has to persuade 75 MPs to switch sides (ignoring abstentions) before it's worth her while trying.
inckley fox Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 24 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: There was something about the parliamentary "session", but I think parliament would have to specifically declare an end to the existing session and the start of a new session for that to apply. More likely to come down to a decision as to whether May's Deal has changed, I suspect. Anyway, she has to persuade 75 MPs to switch sides (ignoring abstentions) before it's worth her while trying. What are the numbers like on that? How many MPs do the DUP and the ERG account for? And is there a danger that other Tories, sensing the opportunity for a softer alternative, will now turn their backs on May's deal?
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