Questions for Brendan Rodgers

[Lesta Legend]

4 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Spot on, Ric.

Obviously I have an anti-Puel agenda (mainly because he was 10% good and 90% shiit) and I keep seeing this "He laid the foundations" bolllocks.

He drained the club - players, staff (football and non-football) and fans. He was stubborn and arrogant and because of that wouldn't make a number of tweaks which might have given him a longer reign.

Someone said he was "was really on to something last few games before he was sacked" which is patently rubbish given we took one point from six league games and were dumped out of the FA Cup by L2 opposition.

He was out of his depth in English football - as proved with us and Southampton. He just didn't "get" it.

He got a few things correct - then again a stopped clock is right twice a day.

The stories from players (and we're talking regulars not just those on the fringes) about what he was constantly doing wrong were mind boggling at times.

Let's not over emphasise his part in the Rodgers revolution.

We're well shot of him.

Just happy Rogers figured out immediately that playing to your strengths was the obvious thing required, wasn’t rocket science. Now playing a consistent team barring injuries and building momentum. 

 

While Im aware of the changes we needed to make I won't look back at Puels reign with any fondness and I'm just enjoying watching my team again and couldn't care less. 

[Ric Flair]

11 hours ago, Koke said:

 

I largely agree. Although he didn't help himself by playing 3 DMs (Ndidi, Mendy & Hamza) at home to the likes of Palace, but he definitely had the right blueprint, as proved by the players brought in and the ones he moved on. 

 

In the end he had too much going against him. Partly his own errors but also massively the fanbase and some players.

 

Puel was a net positive for us. He left us in a far better state than he found us in, and for that I thank him and will always wish him well where ever he goes. I will never ever understand the total disrespect and vitriol he faced here, some if it quite disgraceful tbh. He did a lot of donkey work that needed go be done, and hopefully Rodgers will continue moving the club foward.

Win only a quarter of your home games in a year, continually struggle against absolute dross and it's really no surprise the vitriol that came his way. Most fans only get to see the home games, which were God awful. He was massively wrong about Vardy towards the end as well, he'd lost him.

[mad biker]

7 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

You could say Claude took the woman out to all the nice restaraunts, got the nice jewellery, married her, got her the house...

 

But then had to watch Rodgers do her doggy style whilst he watches tied up from afar 

You "could" say that, in fact you did say it but I think it was more like erectile disfunction from Claude, he simply was unable to rise to the occasion !

[Richard]

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Edited 12 April 2019 by Richard

[Babylon]

5 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Spot on. One of the biggest things that could hamper us over the next 20 years is fan mentality.

 

I firmly believe there’s a football hierarchy that is very hard to break. Bournemouth will find their way back to League One/League Two, Notts County will find their way back up to League One/The Championship, Sheffield Wednesday will find their way back to the Premier League.

 

The only way you break this, in my opinion, is with an extraordinary event such as Man City’s investment or our Premier League title win. Yes, without that I’d accept that we should be bobbing between the top two tiers (as has been our history), but we have a worldwide profile and sizeable investment to change that.

 

We should be moving beyond that Southampton/Sheffield Wednesday/Derby County category  (or any previously comparable club) to sit alongside a club like Everton or West Ham - those who you expect to see in Europe and late stages of Cups every few years.

 

The mentality of many fans in the Puel era told me that many weren’t willing to think that way and simply be happy with survival.

 

Rodgers is speaking like he’s ready for the challenge of putting us on that next level which is great.

There is a very big difference between what you've said, progressing to sit alongside Everton and West Ham and what Kilworth said in that we're currently underachieving being 7th because we're already a top 6 club, which is patently ridiculous. 

[CosbehFox]

12 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Puel was a net positive for us. He left us in a far better state than he found us in, and for that I thank him and will always wish him well where ever he goes. I will never ever understand the total disrespect and vitriol he faced here, some if it quite disgraceful tbh. He did a lot of donkey work that needed go be done, and hopefully Rodgers will continue moving the club foward.

I'd say Puel had three big positives. 

 

1) Encouraged youth to break through and placed trust in likes of Chilwell etc. This has helped assist the club have a different focus at the very least. When Puel started, we didn't see the likes of Hamza introduced into games or finally allowing Barnes a chance. 

2) Started the cleansing of the squad which was badly needed. This summer will see that continue. 

3) At very least started the shape/structure to differ our game. Rodgers has come along got the midfield shape right and then added pace. But the shape was there. 

[Babylon]

6 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

and I keep seeing this "He laid the foundations" bolllocks.

You think Rodgers would have taken the job with a team still full of the likes of Simpson & Okazaki? We couldn't keep the ball and treated it like a hot potato, the work Puel put in, in terms of trying to make us more comfortable on the ball, creative full backs, creative 10, progressing young players and focusing on youth and clearing out the dead wood has put us in a position to attract Rodgers as most of the dirty work with the squad has been done. That's not just down to Puel clearly, the club and Rudkin also share the credit on going in that direction. But to suggest it's bollocks and that you can't see that we're in an infinitely healthier position than we've looked for quite some time. 

 

6 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

He was out of his depth in English football - as proved with us and Southampton. He just didn't "get" it.

Yeah, those two top 10 finishes, three quarter finals and a cup final are a real blemish. People can disagree about his methods, the style of football, the man management etc. But that's hardly out of his depth, his methods are just not attractive to the English Palette. We were sat 7th under him a few times and he was still getting slated, so this is about style and not much else. I didn't like it either, I said a million times he had until the end of the season for that to improve, or less if things started to drop off any more (which they did). 

 

Rodgers is a better manager and it's brilliant we were in a position to get him, if we'd been scraping about the bottom three like we had been the previous year and a third or half whatever it was. Then we might not have been able to, so at the very least he steadied a ship that looked a bit wobbly for some time. 

Edited 12 April 2019 by Babylon

[RowlattsFox]

5 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Spot on, Ric.

Obviously I have an anti-Puel agenda (mainly because he was 10% good and 90% shiit) and I keep seeing this "He laid the foundations" bolllocks.

He drained the club - players, staff (football and non-football) and fans. He was stubborn and arrogant and because of that wouldn't make a number of tweaks which might have given him a longer reign.

Someone said he was "was really on to something last few games before he was sacked" which is patently rubbish given we took one point from six league games and were dumped out of the FA Cup by L2 opposition.

He was out of his depth in English football - as proved with us and Southampton. He just didn't "get" it.

He got a few things correct - then again a stopped clock is right twice a day.

The stories from players (and we're talking regulars not just those on the fringes) about what he was constantly doing wrong were mind boggling at times.

Let's not over emphasise his part in the Rodgers revolution.

We're well shot of him.

I can't see how someone who was barely outside the top 10 in the Premier League for the two clubs you've mentioned can be seen as out of his depth in English football. You can criticise his style, personality, tactics etc but he did have a way of getting enough results to keep clubs at a reasonable league position. He made mistakes and it was the right time to sack him but there are worse managers. 

 

Rodgers is a better fit, I think everyone can agree on that. 

[Ric Flair]

17 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

I can't see how someone who was barely outside the top 10 in the Premier League for the two clubs you've mentioned can be seen as out of his depth in English football. You can criticise his style, personality, tactics etc but he did have a way of getting enough results to keep clubs at a reasonable league position. He made mistakes and it was the right time to sack him but there are worse managers. 

 

Rodgers is a better fit, I think everyone can agree on that. 

Yeah, he can be labelled many things but I wouldn't say he was out of his depth. His methods seemed to be incompatible with senior players and after a bright start things deteriorated. Even the young players started to suffer such as Maddison and Ndidi. He has given Rodgers a lot of very good resources though to progress this club, therefore i'm glad we had him at the helm. Anybody who wishes we didn't don't deserve Ricardo, Maddison and YOURI TIELEMANS.

[Mike Oxlong]

6 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Spot on, Ric.

Obviously I have an anti-Puel agenda (mainly because he was 10% good and 90% shiit) and I keep seeing this "He laid the foundations" bolllocks.

He drained the club - players, staff (football and non-football) and fans. He was stubborn and arrogant and because of that wouldn't make a number of tweaks which might have given him a longer reign.

Someone said he was "was really on to something last few games before he was sacked" which is patently rubbish given we took one point from six league games and were dumped out of the FA Cup by L2 opposition.

He was out of his depth in English football - as proved with us and Southampton. He just didn't "get" it.

He got a few things correct - then again a stopped clock is right twice a day.

The stories from players (and we're talking regulars not just those on the fringes) about what he was constantly doing wrong were mind boggling at times.

Let's not over emphasise his part in the Rodgers revolution.

We're well shot of him.

 

On this occasion your usual objective analysis has gone AWOL Geoff. 

[brucey]

13 hours ago, lcfc sheff said:

Great post btw.

 

I genuinely think the team on paper isn’t far off that, I think we’ve underperformed massively. The other teams challenging us for me aren’t as good currently so 7th is for us to lose.

 

in terms of breaking into the top 6 we just need some consistency. 

By underperformance I assume you mean us losing against poor teams we should be beating or at least drawing. The thing is that the other clubs challenging for 7th could say the exact same thing. Wolves have dropped 6 points to Huddersfield and dropped 5 points to Fulham - they've actually underperformed far more than us this season if you look at the stats.

 

Edited 12 April 2019 by brucey

[Wymsey]

8 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Spot on, Ric.

Obviously I have an anti-Puel agenda (mainly because he was 10% good and 90% shiit) and I keep seeing this "He laid the foundations" bolllocks.

He drained the club - players, staff (football and non-football) and fans. He was stubborn and arrogant and because of that wouldn't make a number of tweaks which might have given him a longer reign.

Someone said he was "was really on to something last few games before he was sacked" which is patently rubbish given we took one point from six league games and were dumped out of the FA Cup by L2 opposition.

He was out of his depth in English football - as proved with us and Southampton. He just didn't "get" it.

He got a few things correct - then again a stopped clock is right twice a day.

The stories from players (and we're talking regulars not just those on the fringes) about what he was constantly doing wrong were mind boggling at times.

Let's not over emphasise his part in the Rodgers revolution.

We're well shot of him.

If he was English, reckon you'd appreciated him more..

Think you need to analyse what he's actually achieved at both clubs, and compare his times at both compared to other managers that hadn't achieved the level that Puel did at Leicester and Southampton.

 

He's got easily critisised by some, including yourself, when he's actually did some good ground work that has helped shaped both clubs quite decently now (especially at LCFC).

Edited 12 April 2019 by Wymeswold fox