leicsmac Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 11 minutes ago, Sampson said: https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1205301043724214273?s=20 Absolutely no self awareness. It is a question though...given the way the votes appear to be playing out right now, how much of this comes down to Brexit, how much of it to personal dislike of Corbyn, and how much to dislike of policy? I think Inno above has it right when they say it's a perfect storm.
Phube Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 Just now, Beliall said: **** me, Andrew Neil has wierd ears And hair!
Leicester_Loyal Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 34 minutes ago, Foxxed said: Whip up a bit of fear, whip a bit of anger, cause a bit of outrage against the immigrants, against the EU, against whoever can be found. That's a little rich after all the NHS claims from Labour isn't it? I can't stand Jess Phillips, it's brilliant seeing her smug face almost in tears.
Sampson Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 13 minutes ago, leicsmac said: It is a question though...given the way the votes appear to be playing out right now, how much of this comes down to Brexit, how much of it to personal dislike of Corbyn, and how much to dislike of policy? I think Inno above has it right when they say it's a perfect storm. Every expert and MP rom all parties has suggested that voices on the street have told them Corbyn and his fantasy ideas are deeply unpopular on the doorsteps. The problem is the Labour Party has been taken over by the middle-class London-bubble Guardian-reading Left who speak about social Left and radical policies which don't the working class Northern and Midlands don't care about - they care about new buildings and jobs in their town, not free broadband - and who constantly talk down to those voters, tell them they're "red Tories" or racists, if they get told that, they'll just say "fine, I'll vote Tory then". If Boris sees out his term to 2024, then Tony Blair will be the only Labour leader to win an election in 50 years. Britain is a "small c" conservative country. Always has been and always will be. Labour will never win without moving back to the Centre ground. It doesn't matter how amazing people think their policies are on the Left, they'll always be opposition policies on the Left.
Mark_w Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 Glad Liz survived relatively safely still in the end. Not sure if she’ll be a Labour MP next time I vote for her though.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 This is unreal, traditional working class towns/cities are flocking to the Conservatives. They've gained Scunthorpe, Wrexham and Burnley ffs!
Phube Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 8 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: This is unreal, traditional working class towns/cities are flocking to the Conservatives. They've gained Scunthorpe, Wrexham and Burnley ffs! Turkeys voting for Christmas, seems to be modern politics!
Leicester_Loyal Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 A fight breaks out in the crowd as John Mcdonnell is elected, someone got punched.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 12 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Horrible woman. Boris's dad was equally as stupid and horrible too.
leicsmac Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 51 minutes ago, Sampson said: Every expert and MP rom all parties has suggested that voices on the street have told them Corbyn and his fantasy ideas are deeply unpopular on the doorsteps. The problem is the Labour Party has been taken over by the middle-class London-bubble Guardian-reading Left who speak about social Left and radical policies which don't the working class Northern and Midlands don't care about - they care about new buildings and jobs in their town, not free broadband - and who constantly talk down to those voters, tell them they're "red Tories" or racists, if they get told that, they'll just say "fine, I'll vote Tory then". If Boris sees out his term to 2024, then Tony Blair will be the only Labour leader to win an election in 50 years. Britain is a "small c" conservative country. Always has been and always will be. Labour will never win without moving back to the Centre ground. It doesn't matter how amazing people think their policies are on the Left, they'll always be opposition policies on the Left. Fair enough. You know, I reckon I underestimate how strong a sentiment self-interest is. I wouldn't go so far as to say the status quo will hold for all time, though - the future isn't exactly predictable and "always" is a very long time. As we've discussed before, things can happen that might make people think of something beyond their own line of sight. Or not - I know you've hinted that you'd rather be dead than be part of a collective and I'm sure there are others that share that sentiment, so we'll see. NB. As if Javid is talking about "unity" right now when the course of action that is about to occur (along with practically all others, tbh) is going to leave the UK divided pretty much in two for a long time, no matter what bones are thrown in an attempt to alleviate. That's veering pretty close to delusional, IMO. 1 minute ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Horrible woman. Boris's dad was equally as stupid and horrible too. Mate, it's a parody account than urban likes to quote because apparently parodic strawmen are funny.
The whole world smiles Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 3 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Horrible woman. Boris's dad was equally as stupid and horrible too. To be fair to her she is a comedian being offensive comes with the territory.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 1 minute ago, The whole world smiles said: To be fair to her she is a comedian being offensive comes with the territory. I suppose so Sedgefield goes blue! Blairs old seat, been Labour since 1935.
urban.spaceman Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 Just now, Tuna said: Jo Swinson loses her seat by 149 votes! Ouch!
Tuna Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 All that talk of tactical voting, Raab retains his seat albeit with a slim majority and Boris with an increased majority.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 1 minute ago, Tuna said: This is magnificent They're all tumbling.
Tuna Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 Dominic Grieve has lost in Beaconsfield, not surprising really.
urban.spaceman Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 I really want to go to bed but I don’t know if I can
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