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[casablancas]

6 minutes ago, nnfox said:

Thank you.  I don't think you have read this wrong, the figures seem pretty straightforward.  The bit I'm not sure about though is whether these figures show that the police are systematic racists (which I don't believe they are) or it highlights broader inequality issues.  Either way, it is a surprise.

I can’t interpret the results to determine why, like you I can’t explain why the figures are as they are. But they are. 

Edited 10 June 2020 by casablancas

[jamfox]

18 minutes ago, casablancas said:

My fiancée is Indian and our son is a beautiful mix of us. That being said his ‘heritage’ is half English and half English Asian. What I take from that is English. He was conceived to two English parents in England in Leicester. 
 

however he has never been seen as English outside of his family.  he is apparently ‘brown’. His first experience of what I perceive ( yes my view not a fact) of racism / discrimination came at the age of 4. It wasn’t a child asking why his skin was a different colour, or why he has lovely long eyelashes ... it was your mom is a p@k! I wasn’t angry with the child. However with the other child’s family I was furious. I don’t agree that a child can be inherently racist. But they pick it up from households and other friends who pick it up from their households. This is the issue with what people from all over are facing. I did some research into arrest rates across England. EVERY police force who submitted stats to the ONS reported that the group who suffered the highest arrest rate were those who were considered to be ‘black’. This floored me. How can every area of Britain have this problem. I woulda assumed areas of a higher density of black people MAY have had higher arrest rates whilst areas dominant of a white gene pool would have a higher arrest rate of those considered ‘white’. How all but one police force (did not submit stats) had a considerably higher arrest rate for ‘black’ people without some form of discrimination I can’t explain ... can you? 
 

We know racism is creeping back into football to the point where my son won’t play at school or for his local team ( I won’t name it) following his own experiences. But how many times this season have we seen it on motd, or live (Manchester derby) or England / Bulgaria. We have problems across this society. I don’t know the way forward , other than everyone is treated equal. We all have the same organs, bleed the same colour and are have the exact same basic needs to survive. 
 

as an aside ... I am actually scared how my family will be treated going into the near future. Particularly when I consider the fact people (in society) are complaining at a removal of a statue basically idolising the slave trade. The fact this is not fully explored at school is wrong. 
 

I read an article re: friends and how the cast would if they could have more people of colour. For me this is the lesson. We need equal opportunity for everyone. No matter creed, colour, disabilities or gender and the list goes on.  

 

 

 

 

Its shocking to here about your personal experience, things should be getting better and all though race relations have come a long way its story’s like that bring home we still have a long way to go, I’m complete with you and its depressing to here you say that.  

 

Ref statues, I was not sure what to think and had to give it some thought, some people might want them to stand because it creates inequality and harbour racist views but there is another side and I think the conversation needs some calm reflection as some of the points are quite nuanced.

If your going to remove all statues of public figures that have colonialist blood on their hands then following that consistently your going to remove a lot of statues, right now debate is raging about Churchill being a racist and judging buy today’s standards some of the things he said you would be racist today , his past is controversial politically in days of the empire but I ask do we take done his statue ?  apart from the cultural war this would start ( feels like we are not far off anyway)  I think you have to balance who he was at the time he was around and also recognise his place in defeating Nazi Germany.

Its like the oxford University statue of Rhodes, I found this

 

“ Lord Patten said: "Four years ago I said the Rhodes Trust was doing fantastically good work and I did that on the basis of having stood alongside Nelson Mandela at a conference with Tony Blair and Bill Clinton in 2003 at which he said how strongly he supported the trust.

"He then set up the Mandela Rhodes Trust to help heal the divisions. “He went through all the preamble of the South African Constitution to highlight his point and, finishing to sign the agreement between the Mandela Trust and Rhodes, he said looking at a photograph of Cecil Rhodes, ‘Cecil, you and I are going to have to work together now.’ “If all the problems associated with Cecil Rhodes history…if it was alright for Mandela then I have to say it’s pretty well alright for me." The Mandela Rhodes foundation apparently has put millions into scholarships for African kids

 

In 2018 Sadiq Khan proudly unveiled a statue of the suffragist Millicent Fawcett – the first-ever statue in Parliament Square of a woman. At the time, Khan declared that ‘from the very first week of my Mayoralty, I supported Caroline Criado Perez’s campaign to put up a statue of a woman in Parliament Square, and I’m so proud that the day of its unveiling is now upon us.’  But when you start to research her you find out,

“Fawcett was such a fan of Empire, that in 1901 she was commissioned by the government to lead an investigation into British concentration camps in South Africa during the second Boer war, after high mortality rates and appalling conditions were reported there.

The camps had been created after the British began conducting a scorched earth policy during the war, which involved burning down villages, homes and crops to root out a guerrilla campaign. As a result, tens of thousands of men, women and children were displaced and forcibly moved into the camps.When she arrived, Fawcett thought the camps were deeply necessary for the war, and her eventual report said the commission had a ‘generally favourable’ view of them. She also suggested that many of the deaths were caused by the ‘unsanitary habits’ of the Boers. Around 28,000 Boers died in the camps.

So, does he now tear it down two years later?

 

I’m just saying I want to stand with you in solidarity, but this is not always such a clear cut issue, sometimes statues exist because of something in spite of something else and you cant really judge historical figures but the standards of today. If we are going to take something down ok, things don’t stand for ever, but you need calm reflection the twitter mob rule is not the way it should be done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[casablancas]

6 minutes ago, jamfox said:

 

 

 

 

Its shocking to here about your personal experience, things should be getting better and all though race relations have come a long way its story’s like that bring home we still have a long way to go, I’m complete with you and its depressing to here you say that.  

 

Ref statues, I was not sure what to think and had to give it some thought, some people might want them to stand because it creates inequality and harbour racist views but there is another side and I think the conversation needs some calm reflection as some of the points are quite nuanced.

If your going to remove all statues of public figures that have colonialist blood on their hands then following that consistently your going to remove a lot of statues, right now debate is raging about Churchill being a racist and judging buy today’s standards some of the things he said you would be racist today , his past is controversial politically in days of the empire but I ask do we take done his statue ?  apart from the cultural war this would start ( feels like we are not far off anyway)  I think you have to balance who he was at the time he was around and also recognise his place in defeating Nazi Germany.

Its like the oxford University statue of Rhodes, I found this

 

“ Lord Patten said: "Four years ago I said the Rhodes Trust was doing fantastically good work and I did that on the basis of having stood alongside Nelson Mandela at a conference with Tony Blair and Bill Clinton in 2003 at which he said how strongly he supported the trust.

"He then set up the Mandela Rhodes Trust to help heal the divisions. “He went through all the preamble of the South African Constitution to highlight his point and, finishing to sign the agreement between the Mandela Trust and Rhodes, he said looking at a photograph of Cecil Rhodes, ‘Cecil, you and I are going to have to work together now.’ “If all the problems associated with Cecil Rhodes history…if it was alright for Mandela then I have to say it’s pretty well alright for me." The Mandela Rhodes foundation apparently has put millions into scholarships for African kids

 

In 2018 Sadiq Khan proudly unveiled a statue of the suffragist Millicent Fawcett – the first-ever statue in Parliament Square of a woman. At the time, Khan declared that ‘from the very first week of my Mayoralty, I supported Caroline Criado Perez’s campaign to put up a statue of a woman in Parliament Square, and I’m so proud that the day of its unveiling is now upon us.’  But when you start to research her you find out,

“Fawcett was such a fan of Empire, that in 1901 she was commissioned by the government to lead an investigation into British concentration camps in South Africa during the second Boer war, after high mortality rates and appalling conditions were reported there.

The camps had been created after the British began conducting a scorched earth policy during the war, which involved burning down villages, homes and crops to root out a guerrilla campaign. As a result, tens of thousands of men, women and children were displaced and forcibly moved into the camps.When she arrived, Fawcett thought the camps were deeply necessary for the war, and her eventual report said the commission had a ‘generally favourable’ view of them. She also suggested that many of the deaths were caused by the ‘unsanitary habits’ of the Boers. Around 28,000 Boers died in the camps.

So, does he now tear it down two years later?

 

I’m just saying I want to stand with you in solidarity, but this is not always such a clear cut issue, sometimes statues exist because of something in spite of something else and you cant really judge historical figures but the standards of today. If we are going to take something down ok, things don’t stand for ever, but you need calm reflection the twitter mob rule is not the way it should be done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with many of your sentiments mate. For me ... I am obsessed with history and would hate to loose it. But as you say it’s such a emotive issue that it is very hard to have a debate without coming off as either one or the other. There is no easy answer. But for me ... my thoughts are somewhat swayed by the sh1t my fiancée and son go through day in day out. I honestly adore history and it’s only through history we can change. It’s such a big thing but one thing is clear. We really shouldn’t have to be discussing this in 2020. The curriculum needs changing first and foremost for me. 

Edited 10 June 2020 by casablancas

[Dr The Singh]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

If blackface is offensive, racist, whatever you want to call it, is whiteface? Will White Chicks be removed from Sky and no longer be put onto the telly? It doesn't offend me in the slightest but it may offend someone.

I dunno ask White Jesus, cus he is still in action.....

[Dr The Singh]

1 hour ago, casablancas said:

My fiancée is Indian and our son is a beautiful mix of us. That being said his ‘heritage’ is half English and half English Asian. What I take from that is English. He was conceived to two English parents in England in Leicester. 
 

however he has never been seen as English outside of his family.  he is apparently ‘brown’. His first experience of what I perceive ( yes my view not a fact) of racism / discrimination came at the age of 4. It wasn’t a child asking why his skin was a different colour, or why he has lovely long eyelashes ... it was your mom is a p@k! I wasn’t angry with the child. However with the other child’s family I was furious. I don’t agree that a child can be inherently racist. But they pick it up from households and other friends who pick it up from their households. This is the issue with what people from all over are facing. I did some research into arrest rates across England. EVERY police force who submitted stats to the ONS reported that the group who suffered the highest arrest rate were those who were considered to be ‘black’. This floored me. How can every area of Britain have this problem. I woulda assumed areas of a higher density of black people MAY have had higher arrest rates whilst areas dominant of a white gene pool would have a higher arrest rate of those considered ‘white’. How all but one police force (did not submit stats) had a considerably higher arrest rate for ‘black’ people without some form of discrimination I can’t explain ... can you? 
 

We know racism is creeping back into football to the point where my son won’t play at school or for his local team ( I won’t name it) following his own experiences. But how many times this season have we seen it on motd, or live (Manchester derby) or England / Bulgaria. We have problems across this society. I don’t know the way forward , other than everyone is treated equal. We all have the same organs, bleed the same colour and are have the exact same basic needs to survive. 
 

as an aside ... I am actually scared how my family will be treated going into the near future. Particularly when I consider the fact people (in society) are complaining at a removal of a statue basically idolising the slave trade. The fact this is not fully explored at school is wrong. 
 

I read an article re: friends and how the cast would if they could have more people of colour. For me this is the lesson. We need equal opportunity for everyone. No matter creed, colour, disabilities or gender and the list goes on.  

Don't worry my friend, be strong, what you need to install in your son is that in all walks of society you have to work twice as hard as the opposite white guy to succeed especially in the work place.

 

I learnt that very quick, and things turned out ok for me.

[casablancas]

8 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Don't worry my friend, be strong, what you need to install in your son is that in all walks of society you have to work twice as hard as the opposite white guy to succeed especially in the work place.

 

I learnt that very quick, and things turned out ok for me.

I taught him to ignore them that didn’t work, then I tried teaching him to use reason and logic and that didn’t work.  Then I taught him self defence that did work. Quite quickly actually. He’s a little sod though so had to teach him the discipline that goes with martial arts. Tbh it’s my mrs my heart brakes for mate. No one should have to work harder because they are different. We all need to work harder to bridge our differences. While I can’t even begin to understand what yourself and my mrs have had to go through ... I hope to one day be part of fix for it. 

Edited 10 June 2020 by casablancas

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, casablancas said:

I taught him to ignore them that didn’t work, then I tried teaching him to use reason and logic and that didn’t hurt. When I taught him self defence that did work. Quite quickly actually. He’s a little sod though so had to teach him the discipline that goes with martial arts. Tbh it’s my mrs my heart brakes for mate. No one should have to work harder because they are different. We all need to work harder to bridge our differences. While I can’t even begin to understand what yourself and my mrs have had to go through ... I hope to one day be part of fix for it. 

I can only go on my experiences in life and around 700 of my family members, for 4 generations in Britian's have gone through.

 

Not all negative, Compared to majority of the western world, Britian is still the most diverse and respecting and things are changing.  Changing ignorant attitudes, stereotypes and perception's is very a generational thing.  More generations past the greater dispelling of old thoughts

[casablancas]

1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said:

I can only go on my experiences in life and around 700 of my family members, for 4 generations in Britian's have gone through.

 

Not all negative, Compared to majority of the western world, Britian is still the most diverse and respecting and things are changing.  Changing ignorant attitudes, stereotypes and perception's is very a generational thing.  More generations past the greater dispelling of old thoughts

Reading this makes me very very sad and ashamed and I genuinely mean that. It’s wrong. I am ashamed of what people from all walks of life that don’t fit the ‘mould’ have to go through. 

[Pliskin]

57 minutes ago, casablancas said:

My fiancée is Indian and our son is a beautiful mix of us. That being said his ‘heritage’ is half English and half English Asian. What I take from that is English. He was conceived to two English parents in England in Leicester. 
 

however he has never been seen as English outside of his family.  he is apparently ‘brown’. His first experience of what I perceive ( yes my view not a fact) of racism / discrimination came at the age of 4. It wasn’t a child asking why his skin was a different colour, or why he has lovely long eyelashes ... it was your mom is a p@k! I wasn’t angry with the child. However with the other child’s family I was furious. I don’t agree that a child can be inherently racist. But they pick it up from households and other friends who pick it up from their households. This is the issue with what people from all over are facing. I did some research into arrest rates across England. EVERY police force who submitted stats to the ONS reported that the group who suffered the highest arrest rate were those who were considered to be ‘black’. This floored me. How can every area of Britain have this problem. I woulda assumed areas of a higher density of black people MAY have had higher arrest rates whilst areas dominant of a white gene pool would have a higher arrest rate of those considered ‘white’. How all but one police force (did not submit stats) had a considerably higher arrest rate for ‘black’ people without some form of discrimination I can’t explain ... can you? 
 

We know racism is creeping back into football to the point where my son won’t play at school or for his local team ( I won’t name it) following his own experiences. But how many times this season have we seen it on motd, or live (Manchester derby) or England / Bulgaria. We have problems across this society. I don’t know the way forward , other than everyone is treated equal. We all have the same organs, bleed the same colour and are have the exact same basic needs to survive. 
 

as an aside ... I am actually scared how my family will be treated going into the near future. Particularly when I consider the fact people (in society) are complaining at a removal of a statue basically idolising the slave trade. The fact this is not fully explored at school is wrong. 
 

I read an article re: friends and how the cast would if they could have more people of colour. For me this is the lesson. We need equal opportunity for everyone. No matter creed, colour, disabilities or gender and the list goes on.  

I am really sorry to hear about your family and your sons experiences, I surely hope that they haven’t had a negative impact on him or you? And you’re right regarding his parents it is probably a reflection on them, he has to have learnt it from somewhere, it’s abhorrent and I really hate it! 
 

I wanted to touch upon your mention of arrests, for which you’re exactly right. I have been quite vocal about my support for the cops, as my siblings are both cops, and I would like to think decent, integral and proper too. 
 

I have some experience with working with the police as I worked on a police control room taking the calls whilst at uni. So I feel I can probably come up with some explanation, probably won’t be very good but hey ho.

 

The first thing I noticed was that crime levels are significantly higher in cities than in rural areas. Lost more people in cities and a greater ethnic diversity in a city also. You probably get a more frequent divide between the financially comfortable and those struggling. Let’s take Leicester city and Ashby as two examples, but let’s say the area were measuring in the city is the same to that of Ashby. And area centrally in the city will have a denser population than Ashby, it will also have a more diverse population, Ashby’s population is likely to be predominantly white British, with some diversity throughout the town, but not as vast as an area in the city. 
 

Crime wise Ashby will be much lower, you’ll probably get a serious crime every now and then, but mainly community issues about who’s cat has taken a shit outside someone’s house, and low level crime. you’ll have that couple that always have a domestic, the person who always gets pissed, and the person who always gets caught stealing. This probably with a few extras thrown in on over the weekend keeps Ashby ticking over. 
 

An area in the city though is different. Lots more crime varying from low to serious, the regularity of low level crime will be greater, and the same applies for serious crime too. So naturally arrest rates will be higher. The city with it being so varied will have a lot more less affluent areas, and unfortunately as per a government study in 2013, https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/demographics/people-living-in-deprived-neighbourhoods/latest

 

Shows that ethnic groups are more likely to live in income deprived areas particularly in city settings, which again is a shocking why is this? And surely evidence of the systematic racism that the black lives matter movement are rightly fighting. Black African, Caribbean and as it states other black have quite high percentages floating around the 18-20% mark, of communities living in income deprived areas.  
 

There is also evidence to suggest that from various studies, and I have experienced this working in the environment that the lower income areas are more likely to have higher crime rates https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/povertyandcrime.pdf (one of many studies but there doesn’t seem to be a .gov example). But this tends to be repeat a lot of the times in more diverse communities, stress, anxiety and depression all play a part, and I think from my experience these communities end up getting stuck in a cycle of crime with each other, which means they are potentially being arrested more often. 
 

One thing I noticed was that it tended to be repeat offenders being arrested, they probably make up a large number of those arrest figures, I can remember a chap who would arrested weekly, his offending history was older than me, for every arrest made against him is logged and obviously takes the stats up, he was from a community of Ghanaian people, so if he was being arrested regularly, it would probably not give a true reflection of the stats, it would register as a single arrest, so it wouldn’t say Joe Bloggs was arrested 20 times in 2019 the stats will show Joe Bloggs was arrested once, but twenty time’s, if that makes sense? So this wouldn’t mean the whole community are always getting nicked, but one chap is actually getting nicked multiple time’s. 
 

I think this is a constant theme running through the above mentioned areas, and I think the statistics are more of a systematic failing as to why stats suggest some ethnic groups are more likely to live in low income areas, the questions should be why is this? And a mixture of repeat offenders being arrested multiple times over a year, which naturally bumps the figures up.  
 

I really hope I haven’t come across as a bellend? And not trying disprove the stats more potentially explain why, we know with football that stats don’t always paint the picture as they’re just figures grabbed off a computer screen, and there’s little context to them. The reason I felt the need to try and come up with an explanation is because I’ve seen a lot of fantastic things done by cops, talking people off bridges, performing life saving first aid, charging people for hate offences, finding missing children and prevent serious injury or potentially death, and race in this occasions have never been the issue, it’s always been about a human being in my experience.

 

You’ll always, always get one or two who break the rules, and one or two make a total **** up. But having experienced the cops first hand, I can confidently say that they aren’t going around just nicking people for no reason, you have so many things to adhere too lawfully to arrest someone it just wouldn’t get through the custody process, and I wonder if those stats include any de-arrests? The stats don’t make for good reading but like I said, if you have one or two repeat offenders in more densely populated ethnic areas, then the stats will be bumped up depending on how many arrests are made. Im not saying white brits don’t get arrested a lot, because they do, but your repeat offender in Ashby probably gets nicked three time’s a year, for one reason or another, compared to a repeat offender in the city gets nicked three or four times a week.
 

Like I’ve said there’s a bigger problem and I think it’s more to do with why are ethnic groups more likely to A live in income deprived area and B live in areas with higher crime rates. As a country we need to do a lot bloody more to rectify this..... And start to protect ethnic communities from crime and poverty!  

[casablancas]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

I am really sorry to hear about your family and your sons experiences, I surely hope that they haven’t had a negative impact on him or you? And you’re right regarding his parents it is probably a reflection on them, he has to have learnt it from somewhere, it’s abhorrent and I really hate it! 
 

I wanted to touch upon your mention of arrests, for which you’re exactly right. I have been quite vocal about my support for the cops, as my siblings are both cops, and I would like to think decent, integral and proper too. 
 

I have some experience with working with the police as I worked on a police control room taking the calls whilst at uni. So I feel I can probably come up with some explanation, probably won’t be very good but hey ho.

 

The first thing I noticed was that crime levels are significantly higher in cities than in rural areas. Lost more people in cities and a greater ethnic diversity in a city also. You probably get a more frequent divide between the financially comfortable and those struggling. Let’s take Leicester city and Ashby as two examples, but let’s say the area were measuring in the city is the same to that of Ashby. And area centrally in the city will have a denser population than Ashby, it will also have a more diverse population, Ashby’s population is likely to be predominantly white British, with some diversity throughout the town, but not as vast as an area in the city. 
 

Crime wise Ashby will be much lower, you’ll probably get a serious crime every now and then, but mainly community issues about who’s cat has taken a shit outside someone’s house, and low level crime. you’ll have that couple that always have a domestic, the person who always gets pissed, and the person who always gets caught stealing. This probably with a few extras thrown in on over the weekend keeps Ashby ticking over. 
 

An area in the city though is different. Lots more crime varying from low to serious, the regularity of low level crime will be greater, and the same applies for serious crime too. So naturally arrest rates will be higher. The city with it being so varied will have a lot more less affluent areas, and unfortunately as per a government study in 2013, https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/demographics/people-living-in-deprived-neighbourhoods/latest

 

Shows that ethnic groups are more likely to live in income deprived areas particularly in city settings, which again is a shocking why is this? And surely evidence of the systematic racism that the black lives matter movement are rightly fighting. Black African, Caribbean and as it states other black have quite high percentages floating around the 18-20% mark, of communities living in income deprived areas.  
 

There is also evidence to suggest that from various studies, and I have experienced this working in the environment that the lower income areas are more likely to have higher crime rates https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/povertyandcrime.pdf (one of many studies but there doesn’t seem to be a .gov example). But this tends to be repeat a lot of the times in more diverse communities, stress, anxiety and depression all play a part, and I think from my experience these communities end up getting stuck in a cycle of crime with each other, which means they are potentially being arrested more often. 
 

One thing I noticed was that it tended to be repeat offenders being arrested, they probably make up a large number of those arrest figures, I can remember a chap who would arrested weekly, his offending history was older than me, for every arrest made against him is logged and obviously takes the stats up, he was from a community of Ghanaian people, so if he was being arrested regularly, it would probably not give a true reflection of the stats, it would register as a single arrest, so it wouldn’t say Joe Bloggs was arrested 20 times in 2019 the stats will show Joe Bloggs was arrested once, but twenty time’s, if that makes sense? So this wouldn’t mean the whole community are always getting nicked, but one chap is actually getting nicked multiple time’s. 
 

I think this is a constant theme running through the above mentioned areas, and I think the statistics are more of a systematic failing as to why stats suggest some ethnic groups are more likely to live in low income areas, the questions should be why is this? And a mixture of repeat offenders being arrested multiple times over a year, which naturally bumps the figures up.  
 

I really hope I haven’t come across as a bellend? And not trying disprove the stats more potentially explain why, we know with football that stats don’t always paint the picture as they’re just figures grabbed off a computer screen, and there’s little context to them. The reason I felt the need to try and come up with an explanation is because I’ve seen a lot of fantastic things done by cops, talking people off bridges, performing life saving first aid, charging people for hate offences, finding missing children and prevent serious injury or potentially death, and race in this occasions have never been the issue, it’s always been about a human being in my experience.

 

You’ll always, always get one or two who break the rules, and one or two make a total **** up. But having experienced the cops first hand, I can confidently say that they aren’t going around just nicking people for no reason, you have so many things to adhere too lawfully to arrest someone it just wouldn’t get through the custody process, and I wonder if those stats include any de-arrests? The stats don’t make for good reading but like I said, if you have one or two repeat offenders in more densely populated ethnic areas, then the stats will be bumped up depending on how many arrests are made. Im not saying white brits don’t get arrested a lot, because they do, but your repeat offender in Ashby probably gets nicked three time’s a year, for one reason or another, compared to a repeat offender in the city gets nicked three or four times a week.
 

Like I’ve said there’s a bigger problem and I think it’s more to do with why are ethnic groups more likely to A live in income deprived area and B live in areas with higher crime rates. As a country we need to do a lot bloody more to rectify this..... And start to protect ethnic communities from crime and poverty!  

Haven’t read it fully but I promise I will. But I do t think you come across as a bell end. I am happy to talk through opinions and others beliefs and experiences if people do so fairly and most importantly with an open mind. But believe me there are some knuckle draggers and I’ve met some on here who only see differences mate. You don’t come across that way from my brief skim through the post. Thank you. 

[Dr The Singh]

4 minutes ago, casablancas said:

Reading this makes me very very sad and ashamed and I genuinely mean that. It’s wrong. I am ashamed of what people from all walks of life that don’t fit the ‘mould’ have to go through. 

Don't be sad or ashamed pal.  Your not the reason but as you have mentioned, be part of society that makes sure these things do not go unnoticed.

 

It's tough enough being a father, but you have to be the pillar of strength, the unbreakable wall when you child questions why he /she is treated differently.

[casablancas]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Don't be sad or ashamed pal.  Your not the reason but as you have mentioned, be part of society that makes sure these things do not go unnoticed.

 

It's tough enough being a father, but you have to be the pillar of strength, the unbreakable wall when you child questions why he /she is treated differently.

You sir, deserve a pint and a pie. 

[Dr The Singh]

6 minutes ago, casablancas said:

You sir, deserve a pint and a pie. 

just the one????????

[casablancas]

5 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

just the one????????

I’m just a nurse trying to make a living haha. 

Edited 10 June 2020 by casablancas

[Dahnsouff]

6 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

just the one????????

Suspect past indiscretions on here may count against you....

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, casablancas said:

I’m just a nurse trying to make a living haha. 

Only kidding, a beer would be fab.

 

........the love the work you do, you nurses are great.

 

 

[Dr The Singh]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Suspect past indiscretions on here may count against you....

 

........that could have been anyone's ass 

[Captain...]

48 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Don't worry my friend, be strong, what you need to install in your son is that in all walks of society you have to work twice as hard as the opposite white guy to succeed especially in the work place.

 

I learnt that very quick, and things turned out ok for me.

For anyone who still has problems understanding white privilege. This is the opposite of it.

 

I'm doing my bit by being really lazy so it's not that difficult to work twice as hard as me.

[Dan]

One of the biggest stains on society nowadays. I hope we generally look back in future at this phase as the absolute madness that it is.

[Fox92]

3 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

One of the biggest stains on society nowadays. I hope we generally look back in future at this phase as the absolute madness that it is.

Society is messed up. People posting stuff just for likes. Some geezer jumping off a building "oh lets video him". Someone having a good time at a gig "oh lets video". Some genuinely posted on twitter the other day that at least Hitler "was vegetarian". 

[casablancas]

18 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Only kidding, a beer would be fab.

 

........the love the work you do, you nurses are great.

 

 

Ha. Thanks. 

[Dan]

10 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Society is messed up. People posting stuff just for likes. Some geezer jumping off a building "oh lets video him". Someone having a good time at a gig "oh lets video". Some genuinely posted on twitter the other day that at least Hitler "was vegetarian". 

That Hitler comment was unbelievable but I think (and I am arguably guilty of this, I'll let anyone who follows me decide) that people try and be more and more outlandish to become the centre of attention. That's what social media effectively is. It's like a fight for the attention and people get more and more daft in their methods of trying to win that fight.

 

Ant & Dec have just done a tweet apologising for something they did years ago. The fact they feel the need to do that is absolutely ridiculous to me. Why are people so obsessed with looking backwards? Nobody was bothered then. Nobody is really bothered now. It's a revolting culture and I really can't see what good actually comes from it.

[fox_up_north]

I hate to say this but I feel it should be said.

 

When I was a wee lad growing up in Leicester, I had mates from different cultures and backgrounds. I knew what Diwali was and still remember the lights on Belgrave Road being amazing. In school I learned about different religions and just to respect them. I visited a mosque and a temple. I've never really been religious but I learned to respect that.

 

Then I moved around to...shall we say "less diverse" parts of the country. I ended up in a whiter than white area where there was only one black kid. And I became racist. Not overtly. I wouldn't say racist things to people or go out of my way to make life difficult for people of a different colour. But there'd be jokes at school that were of the Roy Chubby Brown variety. Or people would assume that BME kids would "pull the race card for anything". 

 

Sadly, that's how it happens but I think it's something I can and should be honest about because it was a pervasive culture and attitude. Now, I live up near Manchester and, while my friendship group still isn't exactly diverse, I volunteer and work with people from different backgrounds. If there's a discussion about inequality, I make sure to listen first to other viewpoints and, I'm proud to say, I have publicly challenged racism in the few times I've seen it over the years.

 

I am far from perfect but I think it's important to know that as much as someone can change for the worse, they can also change for the better. 

[Dan]

4 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

I hate to say this but I feel it should be said.

 

When I was a wee lad growing up in Leicester, I had mates from different cultures and backgrounds. I knew what Diwali was and still remember the lights on Belgrave Road being amazing. In school I learned about different religions and just to respect them. I visited a mosque and a temple. I've never really been religious but I learned to respect that.

 

Then I moved around to...shall we say "less diverse" parts of the country. I ended up in a whiter than white area where there was only one black kid. And I became racist. Not overtly. I wouldn't say racist things to people or go out of my way to make life difficult for people of a different colour. But there'd be jokes at school that were of the Roy Chubby Brown variety. Or people would assume that BME kids would "pull the race card for anything". 

 

Sadly, that's how it happens but I think it's something I can and should be honest about because it was a pervasive culture and attitude. Now, I live up near Manchester and, while my friendship group still isn't exactly diverse, I volunteer and work with people from different backgrounds. If there's a discussion about inequality, I make sure to listen first to other viewpoints and, I'm proud to say, I have publicly challenged racism in the few times I've seen it over the years.

 

I am far from perfect but I think it's important to know that as much as someone can change for the worse, they can also change for the better. 

Oh no, you are the worst human in history, you are CANCELLED!

 

It's bad but people need to appreciate the times things were said. Like I say, look forward, not back.

[casablancas]

5 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

I hate to say this but I feel it should be said.

 

When I was a wee lad growing up in Leicester, I had mates from different cultures and backgrounds. I knew what Diwali was and still remember the lights on Belgrave Road being amazing. In school I learned about different religions and just to respect them. I visited a mosque and a temple. I've never really been religious but I learned to respect that.

 

Then I moved around to...shall we say "less diverse" parts of the country. I ended up in a whiter than white area where there was only one black kid. And I became racist. Not overtly. I wouldn't say racist things to people or go out of my way to make life difficult for people of a different colour. But there'd be jokes at school that were of the Roy Chubby Brown variety. Or people would assume that BME kids would "pull the race card for anything". 

 

Sadly, that's how it happens but I think it's something I can and should be honest about because it was a pervasive culture and attitude. Now, I live up near Manchester and, while my friendship group still isn't exactly diverse, I volunteer and work with people from different backgrounds. If there's a discussion about inequality, I make sure to listen first to other viewpoints and, I'm proud to say, I have publicly challenged racism in the few times I've seen it over the years.

 

I am far from perfect but I think it's important to know that as much as someone can change for the worse, they can also change for the better. 

No one is perfect, but people can change and all anyone can ask is that people take the time to listen to what’s going on. So fair play mate. That took some real rocks to say.