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David Guiza

David Guiza

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9 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Robert Baden-Powell statue to be removed in Poole

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53004638

 

Girl Guides next?

In fairness to those whom have said that removing statues means that people may miss out on being educated on said person, I have learnt far more about Baden-Powell this morning from bringing his statue in to focus than I likely ever would have done had this not happened.

 

Must be difficult for anybody trying to defend Churchill for defeating the Nazis and Baden-Powell for being a Nazi sympathasier lol

Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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1 minute ago, David Guiza said:

In fairness to those whom have said that removing statues means that people may miss out on being educated on said person, I have learnt far more about Baden-Powell this morning from bringing his statue in to focus than I likely ever would have done had this not happened.

Not even sure if that means you think its a good or bad thing (removing the statues) but glad you had the chance to learn about Baden-Powell! :D

jamfox

jamfox

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3 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

In fairness to those whom have said that removing statues means that people may miss out on being educated on said person, I have learnt far more about Baden-Powell this morning from bringing his statue in to focus than I likely ever would have done had this not happened.

 

Must be difficult for anybody trying to defend Churchill for defeating the Nazis and Baden-Powell for being a Nazi sympathasier lol

Is the point not that statues exist because of something someone did and not because of everything that person was..

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ClaphamFox

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42 minutes ago, jamfox said:

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The league of Gentlemen is being removed from culture   , does make me think some people have lost the plot?

 

And The Mighty Boosh too. Good job too - I've always said that police brutalty in the US won't come to an end untll The League of Gentlemen and The Mighty Boosh are taken off the airwaves. 

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urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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3 hours ago, Lionator said:

They’ve deleted several episodes of its Always Sunny off of Netflix, which hurts because a) it’s my favourite show b) the actors are the biggest lefties going and the ‘offensive’ stuff they’ve done is to highlight the racist idiots in society. 

They've deleted the first Lethal Weapon episode but Lethal Weapon 6 and The Gang Turns Black are still up there.

 

Still not ok.

jamfox

jamfox

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2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

And The Mighty Boosh too. Good job too - I've always said that police brutalty in the US won't come to an end untll The League of Gentlemen and The Mighy Boosh are taken off the airwaves. 

:D

David Guiza

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23 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not even sure if that means you think its a good or bad thing (removing the statues) but glad you had the chance to learn about Baden-Powell! :D

Yeah I only really knew him as the founder of Scouts, but not a great deal more than that about the man himself. Certainly made for interesting reading!

 

20 minutes ago, jamfox said:

Is the point not that statues exist because of something someone did and not because of everything that person was..

Yes, of course. There must be a limit to that though, and that's easier with some people than others. Nobody in their right mind would think the Saville statue should go back because of his incredible charity work or his decades of service to television/media, for example. Almost every notable villain in history has got some sort of redeeming feature, and almost every saint has got some sort of dodgy past too. 

 

The bigger issue is that it's divided everybody, again. I'm somewhere in the middle between agreeing that some statues should be taken down, but others, even though they are surrounded by some controversy, deserve their place on the right side of history. My view and those who are similar to me will be drowned by those on the extremes of either side though, the ones who want every statue taken down because of some sort of historical misdemeanor, or the ones who think that all statues should remain regardless of how awful the person may have been will be the ones that get all the attention and it will just lead to more division, tension, anger and avoid the real issues. 

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Spudulike

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1 minute ago, iniesta said:

Thomas Cook next please. His contribution to the environmental impact of aviation is enormous. 

Perhaps King Power are now thinking twice about the Vichai statue as someone might be offended by Duty Free exploitation.

ealingfox

ealingfox

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48 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

How many BILLIONS of young people do you have to inspire to serve your community before even that is not good enough to outweigh views of their time?

 

Supporting Hitler wasnt the views of the time in this country bro. He was famously quite unpopular here.

urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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39 minutes ago, iniesta said:

Thomas Cook next please. His contribution to the environmental impact of aviation is enormous. 

 

3 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

I'd be up for this. Arseholes ruined my holiday last year.

Way ahead of you:

 

12 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

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BKLFox

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5 hours ago, TamworthFoxes said:

When a person is arrested (which the police require grounds for), there are two disposal options, 1) release NFA (no further action/no charges) or 2) charge/caution. Now the stats previously provided show arrests only, if the figures for disposal were available then a case could be made for institutional police racism ie lots more black arrests with NFA at the end could suggest racism in that black people are frivolously arrested but not charged. 
However in the absence of more detailed figures the stats suggest (as much as people won’t like to admit it) that black people commit more crime. 
 

this really, the stats don't look good but we all know a stat don't mean jack without the detail.

As you say we need to understand why the arrests were made, like another poster commented i don't believe UK Police officers are turning a blind eye to serious crime so if we could see the breakdown & see the mister meaner type arrests you get a better picture.
Also how many people talk themselves into a stupid arrest you see it loads of times on the many Police shows that are on Ch5 etc

Jon the Hat

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The streets on my new build estate are named after people from the village who died in the second world war.  At least some of them were probably racists, called Germans the hun and so on.  It's just not on to venerate people just becuase they gave their lives to save western civilisation from the Nazis, when they probably made racist jokes with their mates down the pub in the 1930's.  ****ers.

Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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3 hours ago, ealingfox said:

 

 

Literally the first rebuttal is nonsense.  The type of contract you have doesn't define whether or not you lost your job.  What a load of crap.

yorkie1999

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31 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Supporting Hitler wasnt the views of the time in this country bro. He was famously quite unpopular here.

There were many pro-fascist British people prior to 1939, especially among the upper class, even Churchill was an admirer of Hitler. I don't think Baden Powel would have carried on as an admirer of Hitler if he'd been around to witness how it all turned out.

jamfox

jamfox

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1 hour ago, David Guiza said:

Yeah I only really knew him as the founder of Scouts, but not a great deal more than that about the man himself. Certainly made for interesting reading!

 

Yes, of course. There must be a limit to that though, and that's easier with some people than others. Nobody in their right mind would think the Saville statue should go back because of his incredible charity work or his decades of service to television/media, for example. Almost every notable villain in history has got some sort of redeeming feature, and almost every saint has got some sort of dodgy past too. 

 

The bigger issue is that it's divided everybody, again. I'm somewhere in the middle between agreeing that some statues should be taken down, but others, even though they are surrounded by some controversy, deserve their place on the right side of history. My view and those who are similar to me will be drowned by those on the extremes of either side though, the ones who want every statue taken down because of some sort of historical misdemeanor, or the ones who think that all statues should remain regardless of how awful the person may have been will be the ones that get all the attention and it will just lead to more division, tension, anger and avoid the real issues. 

I cant disagree with a word you have said , I’m not against any stature coming down  my wider point is that’s it’s a nuanced discussion and you  have to give historical reference , if you remove statues because of they were imperialist then you need to wipe out most of the statues in the UK and you can see that that’s what some people want. In the era of Cecil Rhodes Imperialism was the prevailing view you must put that in context of his time , and also that Nelson Mandela supported his trust that pays for scholarships for African kids but apparently saying this today its like iv actually thrown a black slave child into the sea to some people.  People need to calm down as you said its just going create more division , If I say WTF the mighty Boosh was never racist then apparently I’m supporting white supremacy! people are apologising for things that never happened and the thought police now control Art

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ealingfox

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2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Literally the first rebuttal is nonsense.  The type of contract you have doesn't define whether or not you lost your job.  What a load of crap.

 

Saying that she lost her job implies that she was sacked or forced to resign, when it was neither of those things. You know this.

Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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Just now, ealingfox said:

 

Saying that she lost her job implies that she was sacked or forced to resign, when it was neither of those things. You know this.

She was employed and they ended her employment.  As a result of this bullshit.  You know this!

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