Cancel Culture

[leicsmac]

5 hours ago, TamworthFoxes said:

When a person is arrested (which the police require grounds for), there are two disposal options, 1) release NFA (no further action/no charges) or 2) charge/caution. Now the stats previously provided show arrests only, if the figures for disposal were available then a case could be made for institutional police racism ie lots more black arrests with NFA at the end could suggest racism in that black people are frivolously arrested but not charged. 
However in the absence of more detailed figures the stats suggest (as much as people won’t like to admit it) that black people commit more crime. 
 

If that is true, then perhaps it might be a good idea to examine the socioeconomic circumstances that lead it to be so...because if that isn't responsible then there are some very, very unfortunate implications possibly being raised here.

[ealingfox]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

She was employed and they ended her employment.  As a result of this bullshit.  You know this!

 

It ended as a result of the contract concluding.

[jamfox]

11 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Anyhow, I'm going to repeat an earlier point here:

 

A lot of the fear and criticism of cancel culture, at a fundamental level comes down to a reasonably simple argument - "I have the power to belittle other people over any aspect of themselves (and praise those who have belittled in the past) and get by with it. I like that power, and now people are trying to take it away from me and I can't do it any more. That must mean that - *gasp* - they want that same power over me instead, and I'm afraid! Because that's the only way I understand how social interactions work, and it can't possibly be because some folks simply want a kinder world."

 

When you're a hammer, everything else looks like a nail - or another hammer.

 

NB. Of course, #notallcancelculturecomplainees

 

 

How does the league of gentlemen and the mighty Boosh  belittle people, and how does myself laughing at them equate to wanting to hold on to white power ?   i'm honesty asking you because i have no idea what you mean 

[Captain...]

4 hours ago, AjcW said:

Not had a full read through so apologies if this has been shared.

Think I had my first 'annoyed' encounter with Cancel Culture this morning. 

 

My wonder was why this https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/ A well researched, well written essay.... was less welcomed than a couple of tweets written by Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watsons PR's to save face/career.

 

Is that really where we are at? Someone well respected with well researched opinions is a ****, but two celebs with 260 characters of 'support' are heroes?

I feel this bit in the essay is particularly pertinent to the current climate... 'There's Joy, Relief and Safety in conformity....'

 

That's a very long and considered essay, and there are some questionable beliefs in there, but these topics should be open for considered debate. I didn't spot an apology, but it was very long so I might have missed it 

 

It's a shame this was not released instead of making a snarky little dig at trans inclusive language. If you know you are already being accused of something, don't behave in the exact same way you are being accused of being and then get all defensive when you get called out, again. 

 

It was such an unnecessary comment that it just displays how triggered someone can get about an issue they claim not to have bigoted views on.

 

Silly JK a chance to have a mature open debate on trans rights lost because she wanted to make a needless joke at their expense 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, jamfox said:

How does the league of gentlemen and the mighty Boosh  belittle people, and how does myself laughing at them equate to wanting to hold on to white power ?   i'm honesty asking you because i have no idea what you mean 

It doesn't - hence my carefully qualified statement that included the words "a lot", rather than "all".

 

I'd be the first to admit that there are quite a few criticisms of "cancel culture" and its actions that are valid as there are evidently times when it's pretty clear the wrong targets are chosen. However, IMO there are rather more that are not and for the exact reason that I describe above.

[jamfox]

16 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

It doesn't - hence my carefully qualified statement that included the words "a lot", rather than "all".

 

I'd be the first to admit that there are quite a few criticisms of "cancel culture" and its actions that are valid as there are evidently times when it's pretty clear the wrong targets are chosen. However, IMO there are rather more that are not and for the exact reason that I describe above.

 

That’s a shame, I was honestly wanting someone to explain it I guess ill have to ask Netflix!

Power is a complex issue, some people oversimplify, and these examples of ridiculous reactions do need to flagged up as I don’t want the 1984 thought police controlling art

[leicsmac]

Just now, jamfox said:

 

That’s a shame, I was honestly wanting someone to explain it I guess ill have to ask Netflix!

Power is a complex issue, some people oversimplify, and these examples of ridiculous reactions do need to flagged up as I don’t want the 1984 thought police controlling art

You'll get no disagreement from me with the bolded part.

 

There does need to be a serious reassessment of power within society and how people can exercise and abuse it (I admit it's probably not going to happen any time soon though) but some nuance rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater is definitely called for.

 

I might add however that at IMO least some hyperbole on this matter is from those who want to discredit the whole thing and rather obviously don't want things to be examined or change at all.

[jamfox]

19 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

You'll get no disagreement from me with the bolded part.

 

There does need to be a serious reassessment of power within society and how people can exercise and abuse it (I admit it's probably not going to happen any time soon though) but some nuance rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater is definitely called for.

 

I might add however that at IMO least some hyperbole on this matter is from those who want to discredit the whole thing and rather obviously don't want things to be examined or change at all.

 

I Agree , and the thing is its this kind of madness that gives people the perfect reason to do just that.  Also the other thing is is getting harder to have a discussion because people are scared of saying the wrong thing, twitter is the new judge and jury and the tribes spit hate from their righteous towers.  you want to talk about a more inclusive society then your just an entitled ******* snow flake, you want to talk about the nuisance of leaving a statue up from the imperial past then you might of well just thrown a black slave kid over board into the sea. 

    

Edited 11 June 2020 by jamfox

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[LiberalFox]

In my experience the people screaming about being "cancelled" have immense amounts of privilege.

[urban.spaceman]

 

Edited 11 June 2020 by urban.spaceman

[bovril]

Also there seems to be a correlation between people who describe anybody who doesn't support the government as 'doom-mongers' or 'pushing project fear' and those who think bringing down a statue to a slave trader is the end of Western civilization as we know it. 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Why are they going after Gandhi? He only made one film then you never heard from him again.

Classic Trigger #OFAH 

[WigstonWanderer]

31 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Thought Spike Milligan was going to bust a blood vessel there for a minute.

[urban.spaceman]

5 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Classic Trigger #OFAH 

[bovril]

The more I think about it, the gladder I am these statues are coming down. We need to rethink how we sell the image of the country round the world. It's not up to date. We could have a campaign or competition to choose non-military, non-political figures to celebrate in our towns and cities. Hopefully would help us get over the whole two-world-wars-and-one-world-cup bullshit that so many people are in thrall to. 

[Dr The Singh]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Why are they going after Gandhi? He only made one film then you never heard from him again.

He has been in loads movies, if he made his own, he would of made paedophilic movies and racist movies.

 

This has been done loads of times:

 

Racist' Gandhi statue removed from University of Ghana

•  13 December 2018
•  
• From BBC news

 

[Dahnsouff]

15 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

With Neil Oliver here. Amend the statues, write their wrongs large. Don`t hide it, learn from it. 

[bovril]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

With Neil Oliver here. Amend the statues, write their wrongs large. Don`t hide it, learn from it. 

So put them in a museum. Like museums of communism you find in E. Europe.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, bovril said:

So put them in a museum. Like museums of communism you find in E. Europe.

Fine, by me, but I have been to Minsk, so do not generalise. 

[Innovindil]

Just now, bovril said:

So put them in a museum. Like museums of communism you find in E. Europe.

Are the people that need to learn from them the same people that typically visit museums? I doubt it somehow. 

[bovril]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Fine, by me, but I have been to Minsk, so do not generalise. 

I've been to Minsk too. Generally there are many museums of communism in E. Europe.

[Guest seanfox778]

It feels like we're living in an episode of Black Mirror. People know that old tv shows and movies were made in different times, you can't just delete history because it wasn't perfect or politically correct. It's like if someone watches a violent movie on ITV and then complains about the levels of violence in it, nobody is forcing you to watch it. You can't just censor mistakes in history and pretend the world is a rosy place because it never will be. 

[jamfox]

32 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

In my experience the people screaming about being "cancelled" have immense amounts of privilege.

That not really adding to our understanding , its ironic as well because that's the kind attitude that gave us brexit and trump 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, bovril said:

I've been to Minsk too. Generally there are many museums of communism in E. Europe.

@Innovindil is right tho. Would you or whoever necessarily go to the museum? Too learn about this or that person?